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Oh Ok Ruthven, Good Stuff.

He would be a great physical match for my mare however running at 59.2% Winners to Runners no way too much risk.

His problem at the moment is there is too much difference between his best and his worst.

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Much like most stallions then.

I'm not on top of it these days but I think most of his better performers dams carry a male line of sir ivor
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My mare has Sir Ivor.

Maybe he can do a Written Tycoon and re-invent himself after being discarded as a commercial failure.
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The ones I've seen have been beautiful types but a bit mad.
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He's good for Qld

His chances of becoming commercial were next to zero from the day he went to stud and stood for 5k, good breed to race option though.
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Originally posted by anabel anabel wrote:

The ones I've seen have been beautiful types but a bit mad.


I've had two and they were the sweetest boys you'd ever deal with.
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Originally posted by bradjm bradjm wrote:

Originally posted by anabel anabel wrote:

The ones I've seen have been beautiful types but a bit mad.


I've had two and they were the sweetest boys you'd ever deal with.


You sound like a typical mother


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Originally posted by bradjm bradjm wrote:

He's good for Qld

His chances of becoming commercial were next to zero from the day he went to stud and stood for 5k, good breed to race option though.


He stood at Darley, had his chance, they certainly tried to push him when I spoke with them.

Red Ransom - Not so handsome.
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Boom , another good one.

Out of a mare who was 22 at the time of foaling.
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Saw him last week.  Golly he looked fat and happy Tongue  He keeps getting a winner .  
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Bradjm I sent my mare to him last year but unfortunately she missed at the end of the season after losing her LCA foal. She just wasn't interested so definitely not his fault.
But I will be sending her back to him this year as he is on fire.
He had a huge book of mares at Aquis last year as I think everyone in QLD saw the value.
And then in the past two months his horses are winning group races again.
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He really is looking the goods this year.

I have a mare in foal to him (extremely late due date though) and two booked for this coming season. The problem is finding a mare that suits him - I have very little Danehill blood in my broodmare band.
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I just realised I might have implied he had trouble getting mares in foal in a timely manner, which is not so.

My mare was going to foal late in 2016 and indeed she foaled so late that she could not go to Holy Roman Emperor as intended, but I thought Domesday was worth sending her to, even though she was running so late.  She will be given the coming year off to catch up with the season.
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I don't think you need danehill blood, sir ivor appears to have some impact.

Royal symphony interestingly is 3 X 5 the minstrel
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Domesday, for interest, has had four SW out of Danehill line mares.

Arcadia Dream - Redoute's Choice
Five To Midnight - Fastnet Rock
Italy - Flying Spur
Sunset Rock - Fastnet Rock

Two of his three G1 winners have been out of Sir Tristram line mares.
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3 of those 4 danehill line mares also carry sir ivor through sir tristram
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And the other sir ivor through show lady
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One of the two mares I am sending has Sir Ivor through Sovereign Red in the 2nd dam (Show A Heart - Sovereign Red).  The other mare works better according to True Nicks (A++) and Goldmine (20/20) and in particular my gut re conformation and overall pedigree pattern.  She is by Clang from a Just Awesome mare.

I thought the cross would be good but I was surprised at how good the computer programs thought it was.  Against that her athletic good looks work well with Domesday.  Only perceived problem might be the temperament; putting Domesday with a Clang mare.  The mare herself has an obliging temperament so I hope that transfers to the foal.
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This is exactly the reason I am sending my Commands mare to him. Danehill crosses work well with him.
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Is Domesday supposed to be bad tempered ?    Or does that come from Clang ?
Having seen both Domesday, and Clangalang, they both were very quiet and laid back , so wondering why temperament crops up for you,  Mumtaz ??
Of course I am not deep into breeding and all the various foibles .
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I'm not one for nicking because it only involves half of the mares pedigree

However danehill mares 11 starters 8 winners no stakes winners aei 1.07

Octagonal mares 16 starters 13 winners 2 SW aei 2.28

Commands 14 starters 9 winners 0 SW aei 0.64

That's what nicking throws up
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True Nicks must be working off red ransom over bellotto to get an A++ rating
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I wonder if he had been called something else if his fate
would have been different at Darley and he may of got better mares???

I am not superstitious but sending my mare to Domesday!!

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No I'm not trying to insult Domesday's temperament.  I am thinking of Anabel's statement about his progeny being "a bit mad" and the fact that at last year's Open Day he had more energy and enthusiasm than the other stallions - so he could throw high energy foals.

With regards to Clang I always kept my ear open about him as I could never work out why he was so uncommercial given his progeny's racing statistics.  One opposition stud master said it was because many were mad, and it was hard to keep the weight on them as they were always on the move.  Since then I have heard trainers confirm this.  My mare is easy to handle but she is the least lazy horse in her paddock - which is fine as the goal is to breed race horses not riding school hacks.
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Thanks for the insight Mumtaz .  Interesting. 
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ROYAL SYMPHONY (AUS)Bay or brown colt 2014 
Domesday
Brown 2002
Red Ransom
Bay 1987
Roberto
Bay 1969
Hail to Reason
Brown 1958
Turn-To
Nothirdchance
1951
1948
1-w
4-n
Bramalea
Bay or brown 1959
Nashua
Rarelea
1952
1949
3-m
12-c
Arabia
Bay 1977
Damascus
Bay 1964
Sword Dancer
Kerala
1956
1958
1-o
8-h
Christmas Wind
Bay 1967
Nearctic
Bally Free
1954
1960
14-c
6-b
In the Past
Bay 1997
Zafonic
Bay 1990
Gone West
Bay 1984
Mr Prospector
Secrettame
1970
1978
13-c
2-f
Zaizafon
Chestnut 1982
The Minstrel
Mofida
1974
1974
8-f
9-e
Victoriana
Bay 1987
Storm Bird
Bay 1978
Northern Dancer
South Ocean
1961
1967
2-d
4-j
Monroe
Bay 1977
Sir Ivor
Best in Show
1965
1965
8-g
8-f
Naturalist
Brown 1992
Palace Music
Chestnut 1981
The Minstrel
Chestnut 1974
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fleur
Bay 1964
Victoria Park
Flaming Page
1957
1959
10-c
8-f
Come My Prince
Grey 1972
Prince John
Chestnut 1953
Princequillo
Not Afraid
1940
1948
1-b
14-f
Come Hither Look
Grey 1962
Turn-To
Mumtaz
1951
1954
1-w
13-b
Tessuti
Bay 1987
Sackford
Bay 1980
Stop the Music
Bay 1970
Hail to Reason
Bebopper
1958
1962
4-n
11-g
Bon Fille
Chestnut 1962
Ben Lomond
En Casserole
1954
1952
10-d
20>
Souba
Bay 1970
Taine
Chestnut 1957
Vandale
Tauchere
1943
1948
3-c
1-m
Serge de Nimes
Bay 1960
Arctic Prince
Blue Denim
1948
1940
10-c
16-c
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DAYSEE DOOM (AUS)Bay or brown filly 2012 
Domesday
Brown 2002
Red Ransom
Bay 1987
Roberto
Bay 1969
Hail to Reason
Brown 1958
Turn-To
Nothirdchance
1951
1948
1-w
4-n
Bramalea
Bay or brown 1959
Nashua
Rarelea
1952
1949
3-m
12-c
Arabia
Bay 1977
Damascus
Bay 1964
Sword Dancer
Kerala
1956
1958
1-o
8-h
Christmas Wind
Bay 1967
Nearctic
Bally Free
1954
1960
14-c
6-b
In the Past
Bay 1997
Zafonic
Bay 1990
Gone West
Bay 1984
Mr Prospector
Secrettame
1970
1978
13-c
2-f
Zaizafon
Chestnut 1982
The Minstrel
Mofida
1974
1974
8-f
9-e
Victoriana
Bay 1987
Storm Bird
Bay 1978
Northern Dancer
South Ocean
1961
1967
2-d
4-j
Monroe
Bay 1977
Sir Ivor
Best in Show
1965
1965
8-g
8-f
See a Victory
Bay 2004
Mister C
Brown 1983
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968
Admiral's Voyage
Petitioner
1959
1952
4-n
7-a
Honey Deb
Bay or brown 1967
Herbager
Bay 1956
Vandale
Flagette
1943
1951
3-c
16-c
Smart Deb
Bay 1960
Dedicate
Demree
1952
1950
23-b
9-f
Danish Victory
Bay 1999
Vettori
Bay 1992
Machiavellian
Bay or brown 1987
Mr Prospector
Coup de Folie
1970
1982
13-c
2-d
Air Distingue
Bay 1980
Sir Ivor
Euryanthe
1965
1975
8-g
5-g
Eliza Dane
Bay 1993
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Razyana
1977
1981
7-a
2-d
Formal Invitation
Bay 1979
Be My Guest
Promise Side
1974
1974
8-c
25>
 Ancestor duplications:Nearctic5f x 5m Mr Prospector5m x 5m Northern Dancer5m x 4m 
  Sir Ivor5f x 5f Danzigx 3m,5m    
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TRAPEZE ARTIST (AUS)Bay or brown colt 2014 
Snitzel
Bay 2002
Redoute's Choice
Bay 1996
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Shantha's Choice
Bay 1992
Canny Lad
Brown 1987
Bletchingly
Jesmond Lass
1970
1975
7-a
14>
Dancing Show
Bay 1983
Nijinsky
Show Lady
1967
1976
8-f
8-f
Snippets' Lass
Bay 1993
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Chestnut 1970
Silly Season
Great Occasion
1962
1965
1-g
7-f
Easy Date
Bay 1977
Grand Chaudiere
Scampering
1968
1970
19-b
20-a
Snow Finch
Bay 1984
Storm Bird
Bay 1978
Northern Dancer
South Ocean
1961
1967
2-d
4-j
A Realgirl
Bay 1976
In Reality
Secret Verdict
1964
1966
21-a
2-c
Treppes
Brown 2007
Domesday
Brown 2002
Red Ransom
Bay 1987
Roberto
Bay 1969
Hail to Reason
Bramalea
1958
1959
4-n
12-c
Arabia
Bay 1977
Damascus
Christmas Wind
1964
1967
8-h
6-b
In the Past
Bay 1997
Zafonic
Bay 1990
Gone West
Zaizafon
1984
1982
2-f
9-e
Victoriana
Bay 1987
Storm Bird
Monroe
1978
1977
4-j
8-f
Traipse
Brown 1989
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Chestnut 1965
Star Kingdom
Magic Symbol
1946
1956
1-g
2-o
Coogee
Bay 1959
Relic
Last Judgement
1945
1948
8-f
7-a
Elegant Walk
Chestnut 1979
Le Cordonnier
Bay 1963
Saint Crespin
Selindra
1956
1955
22-a
2-n
Fairy Walk
Chestnut 1968
Minor Portion
Lilting
1961
1960
3-i
2-r
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