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    Posted: 04 Sep 2018 at 11:08am
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Australian honey producer Capilano set for $190m takeover bid

Staff writers, AAP, News Corp Australia Network
AUSTRALIA’S biggest honey producer, Capilano Honey, is set to be taken over by a private equity group specialising in China-focused agricultural exports.

Capilano shares have jumped 25 per cent to a two-year high of $19.54 after the honey group’s board endorsed an offer from a consortium composed of private equity fund Wattle Hill and investment manager Roc Partners.

Wattle Hill was co-founded by Albert Tse, the husband of Jessica Rudd, daughter of former Australian prime minister Kevin Rudd.

It has offices in Sydney, Hong Kong and Beijing and is focused on Australian businesses that are set to capitalise on booming Chinese middle class demand.

Former Packer family adviser Ashok Jacob is on Wattle Hill’s investment committee.

The proposed scheme of arrangement offers Capilano shareholders either $20.06 a share in cash or a one-for-one share swap in the new ownerRoc Partners was formed from a buyout of a Macquarie Group private markets business and has involvement in the Australian Wagyu beef and oyster industries.

Capilano managing director Ben McKee said the consortium bid would give the company capacity to build up to a global-scale business.

“Wattle Hill’s strong relationships in Asian markets provides an opportunity to unlock the potential of Capilano Group’s premium and therapeutic brands,” Dr McKee said.

Wattle Hill and Roc Partners are being advised by Macquarie Capital and law firm KWM as well as accounting firm PwC.The move comes after Capilano has faced backlash from consumers and local beekeepers over its use of Chinese and Argentinian honey in its Allowrie product.

In July, Coles stopped stocking Capilano Honey’s controversial Allowrie product.

At the time, Dr McKee confirmed the decision but said the company was working with Coles on a replacement.

“Coles is a key business partner of ours and we have worked with them to replace the Allowrie Brand with a range of new product innovations in Capilano Brand that are 100 per cent Australian honey,” he said.

Dr McKee also said all Capilano branded product contained 100 per cent Australian sourced honey.

The proposed scheme of arrangement offers Capilano shareholders either $20.06 a share in cash or a one-for-one share swap in the new owner.

Shareholders opting for the share option also have the right to participate in a further option to buy shares in the new company.

A meeting for shareholders to consider the offer will be held in November. It will require 75 per cent of all votes cast, and the support of half of all voting Capilano shareholders, to pass.

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New purity test on the cards amid honey 'adulteration' scandel

By Patrick Hatch

3 September 2018 — 4:09pHoney shipped to Australia could face a new test to weed out "fake" produce under changes being considered by the federal government as the Labor opposition has called for a new regime to be swiftly introduced to protect the honey industry's integrity.

Fairfax Media and the ABC on Monday revealed that Capilano Honey's Allowrie branded Mixed Blossom Honey had been deemed adulterated in tests conducted in a German lab, along with honey sold by IGA's Black and Gold and Aldi's Bramwell's private label brands.

The revelations prompted the federal government to immediately task the consumer watchdog to investigate if consumers were being duped.The German lab results were produced using the Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (NMR) test which the local industry has urged the government to introduce to test the purity of imported honey.

The possibility of Australia adopting the NMR testing comes amid allegations that the country's largest honey producer and some of the nation's biggest supermarkets have been selling honey mixed with impure Chinese imports sparking a fierce war of words over which test is most reliable.he Australian government currently tests 5 per cent of consignments of honey imported to Australia for adulteration using the "C4 test", which identifies C4 sugars derived from plants including sugar cane or corn.

But producers of adulterated honey - mostly in China - are reportedly finding ways to beat the C4 test, and the federal Department of Agriculture confirmed on Monday it was considering a move to the NMR test.

"The department has been reviewing the use of alternate laboratory analytical methods, such as NMR, to verify the integrity of imported honey," a spokesman for the department said.

"The NMR analysis is more complex and requires specific laboratory capability and expertise in the interpretation of laboratory results."

The spokesman said the department had not made a final decision on which test to use.

The department's consideration comes after the Australian Bee Industry Council - which counts Capilano as a financial member - wrote to it in July asking it to "urgently" adopt NMR testing.The government… needs to clarify what the testing will be and make sure we’ve got the best possible testing for honey as soon as we can.

Labor's Catherine King

Capilano - currently the subject of a $190 million takeover bid - said NMR tests were not the best way to detect whether honey had been mixed with other substances, and that Australian and international regulators do not use it.

Labor's consumer affairs spokeswoman Madeleine King said the impurity scandal threatened the entire honey industry and its exporting opportunities, and that the department should bring in NMR testing as soon as possible.

"As there is doubt, the government… needs to clarify what the testing will be and make sure we’ve got the best possible testing for honey as soon as we can," said Ms King, who is a recreational beekeeper.

Agriculture Minister David Littleproud said the allegations raised in Fairfax Media's report had been referred to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission.

"Customers need to know they’re getting what they pay for," he said.

The agriculture department is responsible for inspecting and sampling food imports at the border make sure they comply with the Australia New Zealand Food Standards Code, which includes rules on accurate labelling, while state and territory governments are responsible for enforcing that code if products have already made it onto supermarket shelves.

The Australian Consumer and Competition Commission has previously fined a number of suppliers for passing off blends of honey and sugar syrup as honey, and said it would investigate the latest claims.

"The ACCC expects any business selling a product marketed as 'honey' to have a reasonable basis for doing so," and ACCC spokeswoman said.

"This means they should be able to demonstrate the product is in fact honey produced entirely by honey bees."

Cheese and spreads giant Bega on Monday morning confirmed that it had bought a 5.7 per cent stake in Capilano, which has raised the prospect of a bidding war for the company following a $190 million takeover offer from the investment firms Wattle Hill and ROC Capital last month.

Capilano shares closed up 0.9 per cent on Monday at $21.19. Canaccord market analyst Aaron Muller said the shares would have traded higher given the takeover speculation if not for the allegations about the purity of its honey.

IGA's owner Metcash said it was investigating the claims about its home brand honey.


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stralia’s biggest listed honey company and some of the country’s largest supermarket chains face accusations of selling fake honey.

Testing at a leading international scientific lab that specialises in honey fraud detection has found almost half the samples selected from supermarket shelves was “adulterated”, meaning it had been mixed with other substances. The adulterated samples were all products that blend local and imported honey.

Capilano’s Allowrie branded Mixed Blossom Honey, which sources honey from Australia and overseas, and markets itself as 100 per cent honey, showed up as “adulterated” in the majority of samples tested.Experts say adulterated honey was generally bulked up with rice syrup and beet syrup and other unidentified substances, which aren’t detected by official honey tests.

International fraudsters, often criminal gangs in China, produce the fake honey and sell it to unsuspecting suppliers at a higher price, making a fortune along the way.

“That’s why Interpol is interested,” said Phil McCabe, the president of the International Federation of Beekeepers' Association (Apimondia).Capilano strongly denied any issues with its products and criticised the type of test – known as Nuclear Magnetic Resonance – used to detect the impurities, pointing out it differed from the official Australian test.

“Adulterated honey isn’t honey at all,” Mr McCabe said, adding that the NMR test was the most accurate available.

“By and large [the impurity] is some kind of syrup that’s been converted to look like honey, it tastes like honey. Everything about it seems to be honey when in fact it’s just sugar syrup or something else … Consumers don’t realise what they are buying and eating isn’t honey.”

The results are set to ignite a storm over how honey purity is tested that will involve the federal government as well as local and international regulators. ALDI has already moved to pull an affected product from its shelves as a precaution.

Mr McCabe said he would refer the tests, obtained by Fairfax Media and the ABC and commissioned by top law firm King & Wood Mallesons, to Interpol for further investigation.Germany’s Quality Services International (QSI) lab was commissioned by the law firm on behalf of horticulturalist Robert Costa to conduct two types of tests of the sampled honey. One used NMR screening and the second used the official C4 sugar test.

A joint investigation by Fairfax Media and the ABC’s 7.30 into the honey industry was supplied a copy of the results from Mallesons. The law firm collected 28 blended and imported honey samples from supermarket stores around Australia, including Coles, Woolworths, ALDI and IGA and documented the stores, locations, brands and batches.

The lab tested eight Allowrie samples as well as IGA’s Black and Gold private label and ALDI’s Bramwell’s private label brand and detected adulteration in almost half the samples.Using the NMR testing the results showed that 12 of the 28 samples tested, were not 100 per cent pure honey.

Four of the six IGA Black and Gold private label registered as adulterated, two of six ALDI Bramwell’s private label brands failed the NMR test and six out of eight of Capilano’s Allowrie budget branded bottles had adulterated honey when NMR screening was used.The same 28 samples were then tested using the official Australian test, C4, and all passed. There is no suggestion that ASX-listed Capilano’s eponymous brand of Australian sourced honey has any issue.

Capilano was sent a copy of the results. It vigorously denied that any of its products weren’t pure honey and rejected nuclear magnetic resonance testing as the best way to determine adulteration. It said Australian and international regulators “do not use this testing regime at all”.

Capilano, which hit the headlines last month when a private equity consortium lobbed a $200 million bid to buy the company, said it was 100 per cent confident its Allowrie honey, which is made using up to 70 per cent imported honey, was pure and that it wasn’t surprised by the results given the “weaknesses” in NMR testing as analytical method.

“We are incredibly concerned that they are being used in isolation of more robust analytical testing, given this is also the opinion of the Manufacturer (Bruker) and the two most reputable laboratories in the world (Intertek and QSI), one of which has conducted the NMR analysis. Our concern lies in the use of these results to create doubt and confusion over the authenticity of honey and how that could be used to mislead the public and consumers.”

Capilano said one of those weaknesses was that the test did not detect that blended honey from different regions was 100 per cent honey, something the German lab, QSI, vigorously denies.

Our concern lies in the use of these results to create doubt and confusion over the authenticity of honey...that could be used to mislead the public..


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Capilano declined an interview but said in a statement it “stands by the quality and purity of all of our honey brands, including Allowrie which has never failed more stringent and appropriate testing by world renowned laboratories”.

The issue is not isolated to Australia, with the European Union, where most of the imports come from China, also fending off fake honey at its borders. According to reports, policymakers are concerned about what is thought to be the third-most adulterated product in the world with 20 per cent of samples tested by the EU failing to meet standards.

QSI’s chief executive Gudrun Beckh, who has been testing honey for almost 30 years, said she was confident in the NMR test findings and said if a sample showed up as adulterated it meant the honey wasn’t pure honey.

She said QSI had an extensive database and used various tests for testing honey but NMR was the most reliable. She said blended honey from different regions was tested regularly. QSI performs a variety of tests but Ms Beckh said the NMR was the best for testing impurities./www.watoday.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/capilano-supermarkets-accused-of-selling-fake-honey-20180827-p5000u.html


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Having watched 4 Corners last night, Adele Ferguson and Steve Bannon, 

the tie in between the rise of China, the rich getting richer ( and in this case, just look who it is!)
And this very pertinent example

PT, just run by me again who is looking after who?
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The tested honey products.
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esults of testing for specific brands and various supermarkets
Adulterated* brands (includes untypical**)
Unadultered samples
SupermarketLocationBrandProduct nameResultsOrigin
ColesMelbourne CBD, VicAllowrieMixed blossom honeyAdulterated; UntypicalAustralia/China
ColesRingwood, VicAllowrieMixed blossom honeyAdulterated; UntypicalAustralia/ China
IGANorth Melbourne, VicBlack & GoldPure HoneyAdulterated; UntypicalAustralia/ China
IGABalwyn, VicBlack & GoldPure HoneyAdulterated; UntypicalAustralia/ China
ColesConcord, NSWAllowrieMixed blossom honeyAdulterated; UntypicalAustralia/ China possible
ColesFive Dock, NSWAllowrieMixed blossom honeyAdulterated; UntypicalAustralia/ China possible
AldiLidcombe, NSWBramwellsMixed blossom honeyAdulterated; UntypicalAustralia/ China possible
IGASpit Junction, NSWBlack & GoldPure HoneyAdulterated; UntypicalAustralia/ China possible
IGACremorne, NSWBlack & GoldPure HoneyNot adulterated; UntypicalAustralia/ China
WoolworthsNeutral Bay, NSWGardnerMixed blossom honeyNot adulterated; UntypicalAustralia/ China possible
Source: QSI test results
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Capilano declined an interview but said in a statement it “stands by the quality and purity of all of our honey brands, including Allowrie which has never failed more stringent and appropriate testing by world renowned laboratories”.

The issue is not isolated to Australia, with the European Union, where most of the imports come from China, also fending off fake honey at its borders. According to reports, policymakers are concerned about what is thought to be the third-most adulterated product in the world with 20 per cent of samples tested by the EU failing to meet standards.

QSI’s chief executive Gudrun Beckh, who has been testing honey for almost 30 years, said she was confident in the NMR test findings and said if a sample showed up as adulterated it meant the honey wasn’t pure honey.

She said QSI had an extensive database and used various tests for testing honey but NMR was the most reliable. She said blended honey from different regions was tested regularly. QSI performs a variety of tests but Ms Beckh said the NMR was the best for testing impurities.

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Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

Having watched 4 Corners last night, Adele Ferguson and Steve Bannon, 

the tie in between the rise of China, the rich getting richer ( and in this case, just look who it is!)
And this very pertinent example

PT, just run by me again who is looking after who?

I dont eat honey Isaac, it is just sugar by another name and poison whatever is in it. China wont get me, with this at least. LOL
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I can suggest a clean, unadulterated honey, from bees who feed on the Barrington Tops and surrounds, and then the single owner does the honey himself in his own little workshop .  Straight from the bees to you with no additives or rubbish, for the same price as you pay in supermarkets for all those brands.
Who buys honey from the supermarket anyway, when there are so many small bee keepers selling their home brand honey at Farmers Markets ??? Cut out those brands and just buy from the farmers.
animals before people.
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Please please dont expose us at this time, we are going to sell to the son of Kevin Rudd, and this BAD publicity is going to affect the selling price!!

Oh dear...

quite apart from the aussies and their honey, and WE know about it

i wonder if the chinese consumer knows about it?

Considering the chinese government controls what they get to read, and hear

i very much doubt it!!

some of the precious posters on here have their loyalties very much misplaced.....


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'Fake' honey allegations subject of 'high priority' ACCC investigation

By Fairfax Media's Adele Ferguson and Chris Gillett

The competition watchdog has launched an urgent investigation into Australia's honey industry, saying allegations of "fake" honey are "very concerning".

It follows a joint Fairfax/7.30 investigation in which Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (NMR) tests of honey at German laboratory QSI revealed almost half the samples were adulterated and unwittingly being sold as "pure" in Australia.

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission's (ACCC) chief, Rod Sims told 7.30, "We had a team on it straight away".

"We had to pull them off other things they were doing," Mr Sims said.

QSI tested 28 jars of honey from supermarkets around Australia and found 12 contained adulterated honey.

Four out of the six IGA Black and Gold private label came back adulterated, two of the six Aldi Bramwell's Mixed Blossom private label brands failed the test, and six out of eight of Capilano's Allowrie brand tested positive for adulterated honey.

Australian-sourced honey passed.

Capilano said it imported only from trusted suppliers and tested every batch for authenticity.

There is no suggestion it or the other companies were aware of the alleged adulteration.

Mr Sims said the ACCC took seriously anything that could mislead consumers.

"I know it's just an allegation but we are always concerned because we want consumers to get what they're paying for," he said.

"I think there's a chance that some consumers have been misled, that's the allegation we are investigating.

"Whenever you've got allegations coming from such a credible source about such an important staple product, then it becomes a very high priority for us."

Capilano does about-face on NMR testingCapilano rejected the accuracy of the NMR testing on its Allowrie brand of honey when the results were first revealed.

But had since released a statement saying Australia needed to develop its own NMR testing facility.

And it even offered to help fund it.

"Capilano, with other industry players and requested Federal Government support, will fund the establishment of an Australian-based NMR facility for honey testing," the statement said.

"This is in recognition that overseas facilities mentioned in recent media reports are failing to give a consistency of results needed to reassure the Australian public."It's an about-face that has baffled Robert Costa, the man who bankrolled the tests.

"I'm completely bemused," he told 7.30.

"To come out one day and be critical of NMR as being a reliable test and saying it's not reliable, and then 24 hours later coming out saying we're going to fund NMR testing — I don't understand it."

Nationals Senator John Williams backed the honey testing but said it must be independent.

"We should have independent umpires doing the tests, determining whether the product is ridgey-didge or not — not the industry itself," he told 7.30.

"I would not be one bit happy with that at all.

"When you buy a product, you want to buy the product that you're paying for. You want to think you're getting a real McCoy, not a dud."


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Almost 20 per cent of Australian honey samples found to not be pure

Almost one in five Australian honey samples, including some expensive boutique honey, are fake, according to a ground-breaking study that tested samples of local and international branded honey.

The study, conducted by a team of scientists at Macquarie University, used 100 samples of honey sourced globally, including 38 Australian-branded honey samples.

It found more than half the samples sourced from Asia, mainly China, were adulterated, meaning the honey had been mixed with other non-honey substances.

Testing at the National Measurement Institute, the same high-security government lab used to test drugs seized by Border Force, found 27 per cent of overseas samples were not 100 per cent honey.

Map showing locations of pure and adulterated honey samples

But the big shock was Australian honey.

Of the 38 honey samples sourced from supermarkets and markets, 18 per cent, or almost one in five, showed adulteration.

The adulterated honey was sourced from Victoria, Queensland, NSW and Tasmania.

It found 23 per cent of the nine samples tested in Tasmania were adulterated, one out of two samples sourced from NSW was adulterated, a third of the six samples sourced from Queensland weren't pure honey and 29 per cent of the seven samples sourced in Victoria were fake.

Samples sourced from South Australia and Western Australia tested pure.

Authorities under pressure to begin testing local honey

The scientific team, led by Professor Mark Taylor and PhD student Xiaoteng Zhou, also highlighted issues with mislabelling of geographic region.

The study, titled Authenticity and geographic origin of global honeys determined using carbon isotope ratios and trace elements, was peer reviewed and published in Scientific Reports, and provided to a joint investigation by Fairfax Media and the ABC's 7.30 ahead of its release.

It warns mislabelling compromises the confidence of customers and raises health and safety concerns.

"Blended honey of unknown origin has been known to contain antibiotics, toxins, irradiated pollen or even alkaloids with the potential to cause organ damage," the study said.

Its findings are expected to put pressure on authorities to start testing local honey.

In Australia, authorities only test imported honey with 5 per cent tested using the C4 sugar test, which is decades old and can't detect syrups such as rice syrup which are commonly used by fraudsters to dilute honey.

Consumers should be 'very confident': Bee keeping council

Peter McDonald, the chairman of the Australia Honey Bee Industry Council (AHBIC), a peak body for the industry, said local honey was not tested by the authorities.

"It is up to the individual companies that actually buy the honey to then test," he said.

Mr McDonald, who was briefed by Professor Taylor on the results of the study, said he didn't believe Australia had a problem with honey adulteration and that consumers should be sure that if the label said the product was pure honey, that it was.

"They should be very confident," he said.

"I would say there is not a problem in Australia, I am fully confident the Australian honey bee industry is clean and green and we have the best product in the world."

His confidence is based on his inside knowledge of the industry.

"I'm a beekeeper and I'm also chairman of the Australian Honey Bee Industry Council, and I know beekeepers and they are honest, hard-working people and they are just using what nature is providing, bees are providing, and they are producing it in a pure form and providing it to people to market."

But he did concede he could not know all beekeepers or producers were doing the right thing.

Results 'could be conservative'Professor Taylor said he was surprised by the findings on Australian-sourced honey.

"We know that the issue of adulteration is a prevalent problem but we didn't think it would be that persistent in Australia for Australian-produced products," he said.

He said the research was robust but believed the results could be conservative given the official honey test, the C4 test, was used, which has come under attack for its inability to detect substances used by fraudsters to beat the tests.

He said he used the official test used by authorities because he wanted to see whether there was a systemic problem in the honey industry.

"The only way to guarantee that you are getting real bona fide honey is to buy it from a local producer where you can see it coming out of the hive or you produce your own honey yourself. That's really the only deadest guarantee at this moment in time," Professor Taylor said.

The findings come weeks after the honey industry was put under the spotlight in a joint investigation by Fairfax and 7.30 that revealed the country's biggest supermarkets and listed honey company Capilano's Allowrie branded Mixed Blossom Honey, which blends local and imported Chinese honey, tested as "adulterated" in a majority of samples tested.

The tests were conducted in a German lab that specialises in detecting fake honey using a new test known as Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (NMR).

Capilano denied its Allowrie brand wasn't pure and criticised the NMR on the basis it wasn't the official test.

But the study prompted the Australian Competition & Consumer Commission (ACCC) to launch an inquiry into imported honey.

Professor Taylor sent his latest study to the ACCC for investigation.

He declined to reveal the names of the scores of brands that were sampled, on the basis it would detract from the study, which was to prove adulteration was a global problem.

"The study is not really about particular brands, it's about looking at the persistence and prevalence of authenticity of honey," he said.

"It did include some boutique brands and it came from a range of providers.

"And we also tested some Manuka honey and that failed. That is a boutique brand.

"But, as you know, there is something in the order of about 10 times of the amount of Manuka honey sold as there is produced."

Honey the third most adulterated food in the world

The study noted a massive mismatch between the amount of Manuka honey produced in New Zealand a year — 1,700 tonnes versus 10,000 tonnes sold.

It was part of a broader investigation into honey, which previously looked at urban contaminants in native bees and European bees.

Xiaoteng Zhou decided to test Australian honey after a honey company was fined in Australia in 2016 for selling fake honey.

"Two years ago, in 2016, a commercial honey secret was revealed on Facebook and the honey sold in the supermarket might be toxic," she said.

"It was claimed to be an Australia product but it was actually imported from overseas.

"These samples were analysed in Germany labs, so we were thinking, 'Can we do the analysis in Sydney', then we designed this project and we collected samples and developed this method."

Food fraud is a $US40 billion a year industry and it is getting bigger as criminal gangs exploit weak regulation and outdated government tests.

Honey is the third most adulterated food in the world, behind milk and olive oil.

The international fraudsters produce the fake honey and sell it to unsuspecting suppliers at a higher price, making a fortune along the way.

Chinese vendors use website Alibaba to sell rice syrups and other syrups that claim that they can pass official honey tests.

They sell for $US500 a metric tonne, which is vastly cheaper than honey.

"That's why Interpol is interested," said Phil McCabe, the president of the International Federation of Beekeepers' Associations (Apimondia).

See the story tonight on 7.30 on ABC1.

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Saw the heading on the index page, just knew the thread was started by Mr Cut and Paste.LOL

Why don't you actually express an opinion rather than taking up endless space with your boring articles nobody reads?Confused 
Don't waste time on past disagreements, find new ones to fight over
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if you want to remain ignorant so be it.

There is an opinion for you ignoramusLOL
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Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

if you want to remain ignorant so be it.

There is an opinion for you ignoramusLOL

I read newspapers and articles on the net, I don't need to be guided and educated by you Confused

If you raise a topic and people find it interesting they will seek out articles themself, no need to clog up pages with your cut and paste garbage
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simple whale dont read them.

plenty of others do, however.
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

if you want to remain ignorant so be it.

There is an opinion for you ignoramusLOL


I read newspapers and articles on the net, I don't need to be guided and educated by you Confused

If you raise a topic and people find it interesting they will seek out articles themself, no need to clog up pages with your cut and paste garbage



You must be reading it Whale.

You find it boring as you are entitled to , but still you read it.

OR    did you get trapped like me ,    

    When I saw "Dirty Honey",      

The only B that came to mind was                                   

             BLONDE.
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ps whale, when did you last make a worthwhile contribution? that other readers learn from?

or are you just a mean person who doesnt like to share?

stick to your betting whale , or is that knitting?
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You must be reading it Whale.

You find it boring as you are entitled to , but still you read it.

OR    did you get trapped like me ,    

    When I saw "Dirty Honey",      

The only B that came to mind was                                   

             BLONDE.[/QUOTE]

I have read most of his stuff previously. Why doesn't he just post headline and a link rather than clogging up pages with his crap ? That way those who are interested can click on the link.

Just call him Wet Wipes , supposed to degrade in the toilet but end up blocking the pipes
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by previously I mean in newspapers or online articles
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

by previously I mean in newspapers or online articles


Do people still read Newspapers ?.

Isaac posted an on line article.
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I read it Isaac
Give peace a chance
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What are your thoughts on Orange Roughie Isaac?
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Saw the heading on the index page, just knew the thread was started by Mr Cut and Paste.LOL

Why don't you actually express an opinion rather than taking up endless space with your boring articles nobody reads?Confused 

Didn't you read those articles?Shocked
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Originally posted by Softy Softy wrote:

What are your thoughts on Orange Roughie Isaac?

She's not the sharpest tool in the shed, and she has plenty of stupid ideas, but there are some valid points that Pauline makes.
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Great deflection Doc 😘
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