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What a GREAT rider.     Chalked up the first 3 at Flemington today.
So patient , professional .     Best in the Business.
       
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I’ve backed him on a couple of other rides later in the day so I reckon he could ride 6
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6 winners today
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6 winners today


That would please those critics.      Who have gone underground.
       
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

6 winners today


That would please those critics.      Who have gone underground.

Not me lol,....rocks or diamonds with this bloke.
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

6 winners today


That would please those critics.      Who have gone underground.

Not me lol,....rocks or diamonds with this bloke.

Having cheekingly said that, it was a great effort all the same.
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Not a lot of applause for the best riding performance ever seen in Melbourne .
Craig Williams the only one to have achieved such a feat.

GREAT STUFF & deserved .   He is one of our best ever.

NSW had similar performance at Rosehill some years ago but I won't mention the R-zoles name.      
       
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One swallow does not make a summer.
I really do not rate him as an elite jockey but he is riding well as the season comes to a close.
I guess he is the best jockey in melbourne but it is a weak bunch.
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Originally posted by Sneck Sneck wrote:

One swallow does not make a summer.
I really do not rate him as an elite jockey but he is riding well as the season comes to a close.
I guess he is the best jockey in melbourne but it is a weak bunch.


Who would we say is / was an elite rider.

Like everything in life , the cycles don't allow the same percentages every week.     . Fortunes fall both ways as Kementari found in the last Epsom.

Williams was elite on Saturday , It has never been done before.
       
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Frankie rode 6, or more ?? once in the UK.  Does that make  him, or do we consider him, an elite rider ??   What exactly is an elite rider ? 
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by Sneck Sneck wrote:

One swallow does not make a summer.
I really do not rate him as an elite jockey but he is riding well as the season comes to a close.
I guess he is the best jockey in melbourne but it is a weak bunch.


Who would we say is / was an elite rider.

Like everything in life , the cycles don't allow the same percentages every week.     . Fortunes fall both ways as Kementari found in the last Epsom.

Williams was elite on Saturday , It has never been done before.
I can rate Australian jockeys no problem but there is some subjectivity, this is an opinion.

1. Zac Purton
2. Hugh Bowman
3. James McDonald
4. Blake Shinn

The top three are elite riders, Shinn is close but just falls short at present.
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What is an elite rider? Great question

This is also subjective. Punters consider jockeys with good percentages, elite riders, some think longevity at the top is a elite rider and some think that riders who win when the money is on are elite riders.

I have always considered elite riders riders who can win anywhere, riders which trainers seek out for the big races on a consistent basis, riders who are versatile in their riding style, so they can ride front runners and swoopers, and riders who can win on odds on favs and long shots.

The best three I have seen in the last 30 years are Mick Dittman, Darren Beadman and Damien Oliver. Cassidy, Cooksley, Dye, Munce and Brian York are close up behind them.


Of the current crop Bowman is the stand out, McEvoy is second, MacDonald is third and Shinn is next, but his consistency is not great. I would also give a special mention to Micheal Walker. He reminds me a lot of Jim Cassidy, but he does not get anywhere near the opportunities from trainers other than Hayes. He does get rides for the Redoutes and Criterion owners, but they are not prolific owners of group quality gallopers.

Of the young up and comers Damien Lane is heading in the right direction, Melham is coming on and Regan Bayliss has hooked up with Hayes and that can be to his benefit.

So for me it is Bowman, McEvoy, McDonald and Shinn, with a top of my hat to Walker.
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There is a lot of good riders about ...    I go back to Moore ( the master )as best in my day but we do have great talent in the riding ranks.
I agree with all mentioned but quite a lot rate up there as very good.
We are too quick to blame them when the Racing Gods aren't good to them
( I felt for Avdulla ) when Kemintari ran into several dead ends last start while Clapper was given the dream rails runs.
They all need the lucky breaks and Saturday , Williams was patient in the windy conditions and showed just how good he is.
       
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Craig's run continues ,   I think he is up to about 11 for the week .

Nice to have him on a fav when you back it ,   at least you know it is trying it's innards out.
       
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I’ve backed him on every mount since he won his first on Saturday.
Been a good week
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This is incredible...
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Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

I’ve backed him on every mount since he won his first on Saturday.
Been a good week


The way the world is you can soon pick the riders who aren't texting during the race.
I wonder how many leave their mobiles in the jockeys room during a race.
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He is a top rider ,    Noted him finding the fast lane outside in 2 early ones at sale today...
He has given me an early shower again.
       
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As I’ve said it before, I wish he would ride like this every week.
Every June/July is the time you wanna back his mounts.
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

I’ve backed him on every mount since he won his first on Saturday.
Been a good week


The way the world is you can soon pick the riders who aren't texting during the race.
I wonder how many leave their mobiles in the jockeys room during a race.
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He is a top rider ,    Noted him finding the fast lane outside in 2 early ones at sale today...
He has given me an early shower again.
He was quick to find the fast lane and made aggressive moves to get out there, I give him credit for that.
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   12 winners in the City over the past 2 weeks and 4 wins from 4 rides at Sale today.

   He has certainly learnt a lot since the "baggers" got after him on TBV a while back.

   We certainly educate them from our armchairs in the stands.     
       
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The   = baggers = do them a favour ,always go better after being bagged ,Melbourne cup winners afterwards .
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The   = baggers = do them a favour ,always go better after being bagged ,Melbourne cup winners afterwards .


( Special hello Hatch )   . I thought you must have eloped with some lucky Punter.        I still pray regularly ( depending on how many I have in photo Finishes ) and I work hard to convert PT.
       
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Good on you Max , I think you are a good man.
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If anyone has the stats or has time to do the stats, can you work out his strike rate for riding winners in the last race of the day. I have a mate who for years will only ever back him in the last race every Saturday and seems to win often enough to encourage his random betting trend.
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If anyone has the stats or has time to do the stats, can you work out his strike rate for riding winners in the last race of the day. I have a mate who for years will only ever back him in the last race every Saturday and seems to win often enough to encourage his random betting trend.


We get some "whacky" Systems .   That one rates highly.
Your friend has one good thing going for him = He only gets ONE bet a day at best.
       
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Pulling the pin on his season as of this weekend.
Heads off to see his wife and kids whom are holidaying overseas.

Has declared the premiership race over, leads by 10 at the minute.
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by Phantom Phantom wrote:


If anyone has the stats or has time to do the stats, can you work out his strike rate for riding winners in the last race of the day. I have a mate who for years will only ever back him in the last race every Saturday and seems to win often enough to encourage his random betting trend.


We get some "whacky" Systems .   That one rates highly.
Your friend has one good thing going for him = He only gets ONE bet a day at best.


Agree and today willow strikes again. One winner and its in the last race
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