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No problem with that djebel. You can't compare missing a week in winter with missing a week in spring in terms of punishment and deterrence. You can still be angry about the interference but it doesn't mean the decision wasn't appropriate to consider time of year. Stewards in both states have done that for time immemorial.
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If anything suspensions should be double in the Carnival races.
make it an extra inventive to do the right thing

Kind of like double demerits when driving over holiday periods
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Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

If anything suspensions should be double in the Carnival races.
make it an extra inventive to do the right thing

Kind of like double demerits when driving over holiday periods

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Stewards need to hand out penalties that jocks can accept and not appeal
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Misses the ride on SWR in the moir. Mcevoy gets it.
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Never fails to let me down this bloke.

What a joke of a ride.
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It was a certainty beaten.
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Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Never fails to let me down this bloke.

What a joke of a ride.


That is why I don’t back his rides
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When was the last time Vega Magic was restrained in a race? Very disappointing ride.
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Syd vs Melb

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Absolute imbecilic ride. All he had to do was back the horse to sustain pressure up top. He restrained him and threw him out of the race.
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He spent 300m trying to restrain it was ludicrous.
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Should've just let it run, he would've won.
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I think Craig will be pretty disappointed himself with the ride. + he cost himself more than the avg punter with his lost percentages from a winning ride. Sometimes I have wondered but I'm sure he was trying hard here.
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He is a top jockey ,very good trier , would have been concentrating hard on what to do, made a decision ,if it was right or wrong we will never know .
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Only jockeys and their parents believe in "we'll never know." That said, punters tend to have a crystal ball when it comes to what would have happened if they made the other decision.
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Originally posted by mikey mikey wrote:

I think Craig will be pretty disappointed himself with the ride. + he cost himself more than the avg punter with his lost percentages from a winning ride. Sometimes I have wondered but I'm sure he was trying hard here.


He didn't have a choice Mikey.   Jumped better than most and the inside speed was quickly obvious. He eased back but never got closer than 3 & 4 out.    6 out on the turn.   Super run.
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

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Luv it ...       ME or Williams or both ...
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You laugh when jockeys get a miracle run through, it is called genius, but when the gaps don't open they are called morons. Similarly, pressed forward, or settled back, if it pans out, it is great judgement. It all evens out in the end. I heard once that a jockey riding the favourite in a Melbourne Cup, pulled it up. He was already a cup-winning jockey. I believe it, my informant was well-connected. That would hurt, if you were the owners. But casually backing horses, you just move on to the next race.
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

You laugh when jockeys get a miracle run through, it is called genius, but when the gaps don't open they are called morons. Similarly, pressed forward, or settled back, if it pans out, it is great judgement. It all evens out in the end. I heard once that a jockey riding the favourite in a Melbourne Cup, pulled it up. He was already a cup-winning jockey. I believe it, my informant was well-connected. That would hurt, if you were the owners. But casually backing horses, you just move on to the next race.


Craig Williams has had so many knockers recently ,     He will certainly have a big Spring carnival.   never fails.

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Max Manewer, the bit I disagree with re your post, is the damned if you do, damned if you don't when it applies to this example. You will find the majority of Vega Magic backers had him mapping as working hard on speed to find a spot outside Houtzen, or if they went hard enough to hold him out, it would string them out and he could slot into the 1/1. Even orst case scenario he sits 3 side on speed, he had already proven many times he can cope with pressure on speed and there is only one turn at Randwick over 1200m.

No one, in their wildest nightmares, had Williams making the decision to snag back to the point he had only something like 3 horses behind him at the top of the straight. That was a farce and he had one way to ride him and one way only.
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I'm not saying he rode it well, but you have no control over jockeys, beyond electing not to back their mounts. Complaining about jockeys is about as fruitful as a man complaining to his mother-in-law about his wife. It seems to me that many punters back horses they are keen on, despite having strong reservations about the jockey. Then complain about the jockey when it loses. Who is really to blame there ?
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The stewards did not disagree with his ride, he was a victim of circumstances.
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Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Max Manewer, the bit I disagree with re your post, is the damned if you do, damned if you don't when it applies to this example. You will find the majority of Vega Magic backers had him mapping as working hard on speed to find a spot outside Houtzen, or if they went hard enough to hold him out, it would string them out and he could slot into the 1/1. Even orst case scenario he sits 3 side on speed, he had already proven many times he can cope with pressure on speed and there is only one turn at Randwick over 1200m.

No one, in their wildest nightmares, had Williams making the decision to snag back to the point he had only something like 3 horses behind him at the top of the straight. That was a farce and he had one way to ride him and one way only.


Very much see your point Sunline .   We will never know for sure . He did jump well and attempted to be up there but the speed inside, had him ease. When their running near course record time in the "fast" lane,What time would Vega Magic have run with the same draw Redzel had.
He did prove one thing.    He's Bluddy good , get on the next few.
One of those races where the barrier draw was crucial.
3 Y/O SWR . had the dream run.( pulled up badly with physical problems & spelled.
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Originally posted by hatch hatch wrote:

The stewards did not disagree with his ride, he was a victim of circumstances.

Haha classic. 
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Crying about jockeys is classic loser talk. It is like bemoaning the poor job that Fred the fencing contractor made of your fence, when you already knew his fences go higgledy-piggledy not long after being erected. Of course, there is the possibility that the jockey specially reserves his worst rides for your bets........
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I agree with Sunline that easing off when wide at the 1200m Randwick isn't needed, there being only the one reasonably gentle turn.
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

I agree with Sunline that easing off when wide at the 1200m Randwick isn't needed, there being only the one reasonably gentle turn.

No turn is gentle when your 4-6 wide Max.   Especially with the rail out 6m.
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There is little barrier or on-pace bias at that start these days.
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