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max manewer
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So it does happen ! Alas, for every such soul, there are 100 who consider themselves persecuted by the deeds of rogue jockeys.
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Sunline
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You must have lost Goodie's address?
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Sunline...simply supreme
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max manewer
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Yes, Goodie certainly had some input that carnival.
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rusty nails
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There wasn't a speed battle,cos he wusses out. If he decides to go forward, what do you think was going to happen? He was never going to be allowed to settle in front of the winner. Doesn't that leave him 3 wide no cover,after using gas for his aborted attempt to be outside leader ? There would be a lot more people howling on him in that scenario. |
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Sunline
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Use your imagination a little, rusty. You apply the pressure and, yes, quite possibly McEvoy says you're not crossing me and kicks up. But what does that do? It starts to string them out in behind. You then snag back with the knowledge you've at least tried to obtain outside the lead and failed, and should have a far easier job of finding Redzel's back while being in touch with the speed.
I said all this at the time. I also said that 3 wide outside Redzel was a far better option than the decision he made and the place he ended up. It's one gentle turn over the Randwick 1200m and he is a proven, on speed, pressure horse who loves a slog up top and wins with that sort of ride. He does not win with an off pace ride.
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Sunline...simply supreme
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scamanda
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OK for Vega but not Jukebox? |
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I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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Magnolian Khan
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Haha that too. |
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Sunline
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Haha you know I thought of you and that conversation when I wrote the above. Absolutely. Jukebox is no Vega Magic for a start. Secondly my comment above is that it's a better alternative to going back and sitting deep. I was unhappy he didn't take what was an easy lead on Jukebox but would have been even more unhappy had he snagged him back like he did on Vega Magic.
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Sunline...simply supreme
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max manewer
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If you look at William's record, he is inclined to ride horses forward, a bit less than the average jock.
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room for a slew
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Curious to see how he will ride Amelies Star.
jeez he better not be 5 wide with no cover and fark around id rather he go back and try slot in or go across like jameka did from barrier 13 last year |
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Donald Hiltonson
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Or perhaps it could have spouted a propeller out of its arse and hovercrafted to victory right over the top of the field. Use your imagination... |
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Donald Hiltonson
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Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good whinge rusty |
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Shrunk in the Wash
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There's a big difference between easing a horse in running and Reefing the bit back in his mouth. It was moronic what Williams did.
Kept going forward he may have been 3 wide on the lead. A lot better than pilling the crap out of the horse, fighting it to sit 3 wide mid field. Dumb dumb dumb ride |
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Sunline
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Donald is the only person I know not bagging Williams. Maybe he's the only one who is right.
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Sunline...simply supreme
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hatch
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Sir Gov
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Vega Magic just not good enough & never likely from that gate. Luck plays a part & the probability of bad luck from that gate increased.
Anyone who lost money on him needs to recognise that played a bigger part than the jock.
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rusty nails
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How is it a whinge, saying Williams is damned if he does,or damned if he doesn't? |
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Donald Hiltonson
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You misunderstood me Rusty Nails. I agree with what you are saying. Either way the horse was going to get beat. But others don’t want to let the facts get in the way of a whinge.
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3blindmice
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Interesting interpretation of the word fact there Donald. Horse was beaten under a length making up lengths in the straight, has a record under HHD of sitting on pace without cover and winning. As a disinterested observer, I have no doubt VM lost because of the negative ride, not because he was trapped wide. Easy to say in hindsight of course.
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Facts
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Platinum
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What a ride on property. Goes out to northern Siberia instead of the inside
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ThreeBears
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Non trier? Could have followed the winner round the corner but instead shot out for the long grass. Poor effort.
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Magnolian Khan
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Anyone know his address?
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acacia alba
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After his winning day today,,,,,,carry on . Talking thru your pockets maybe ??
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animals before people.
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maccamax
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Bingo AA.. Poor Craig , I feel for him. He did go forward on Amelie's Star yesterday and look where that got him. I'm waiting on the " unders " The Everest Runner up and the winner will be served up next time. Redzel will get run over down the straight 6. |
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Tlazolteotl
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Trainers always say they leave the riding to the jockeys but I doubt it. Williams said that he rode Amelie's Star that way because he was told to. I wonder whether the Vega Magic ride was a surprise to Weir. I doubt it. |
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max manewer
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Hayes train VM, of course.
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Tlazolteotl
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Oops |
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room for a slew
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Gets the ride on my melb cup horse.
might as well throw my futures bets on wall of fire in the bin. fair dinkum. After the gelati of vega magic and Amelies star Can he make it a trifecta of fark ups on horses im on at good odds. Yes there is precedent that he will |
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Gay3
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I thought Wall Of Fire is under an injury cloud?
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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