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    Posted: 22 Oct 2017 at 10:34am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G-6lWfN4X8

What a win. That stride! Reminds me of his old man.
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I'm more a legs man
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Certainly gallops in the style of his old man. If he improves as a 4yo then the 2018 Arc may be one for the ages against Enable. Hopefully Winx can meet one of the two mid season.
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Form on soft looks vastly superior to his dryer track form. If Winx does meet him, a wet track, home ground advantage and potential for travel wariness makes it a huge risk now.

Really have to question whether it would be too big an ask for a 7yo mare to beat both Enable and now Cracksman under such circumstances. 

I think She can and if she did, it would put her above Frankel for mine.
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LOL. Dream on. LOL
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Originally posted by ThreeBears ThreeBears wrote:

LOL. Dream on. LOL

I have her right along side Frankel over 2000m, certainly think she would be beating him off a strong tempo and with some give in the ground. Slow tempo on firmer ground and he would be too hard to run down.

Reckon she'd have at least 3L on Cirrus Des Aigles in the wet and could certainly see her gap the likes of SNA and Farhh(?) by a similar margin as Frankel.

1600m and she would get held comfortably. All a matter of opinion.

You from the UK or timeform by any chance?
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Neither but I don't suffer from Xenophobic blindness either. Hartnell wouldn't have gotten anywhere near Frankel over any distance. Keep the laughs coming.
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Originally posted by ThreeBears ThreeBears wrote:


Neither but I don't suffer from Xenophobic blindness either. Hartnell wouldn't have gotten anywhere near Frankel over any distance. Keep the laughs coming.


He doesnt usually get anywhere near Winx either
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Frankel is the most overrated horse ever. I mean they moved all the timeform ratings just so they could give him a higher rating.
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Originally posted by correctweight correctweight wrote:

Frankel is the most overrated horse ever. I mean they moved all the timeform ratings just so they could give him a higher rating.

That is not quite correct.

The official International ratings people moved their ratings around to fit in with some sort of narrative.

Timeform have never changed theirs.




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The only people that under rate Frankel are rightfully considered mugs by every racing person on the planet with an opinion that matters. Many Oz forum dwellers do not fall into the "matters" category.
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Ok cool
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Originally posted by bradjm bradjm wrote:

Originally posted by ThreeBears ThreeBears wrote:


Neither but I don't suffer from Xenophobic blindness either. Hartnell wouldn't have gotten anywhere near Frankel over any distance. Keep the laughs coming.


He doesnt usually get anywhere near Winx either


I would thought you pick up from the alias, but I’ve followed, studied and admired international racing since I was a child with an almost unhealthy interest. So xenophobic is so far off the mark it’s not funny.

I consider Frankel the best in my lifetime so to compare Winx is not to denegrate Frankel. I have Winx about 3.5L ahead of SYT (WFA) who I would consider marginally the 2nd best 2000m horse we have produced in the last 30 years.

To put my opinion of Winx into perspective I think she has a clear 4L over Sunline so certainly not downplaying Frankel.
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WOW. Do you take drugs often? You asked if I was a Pom or from Timeform, presumably as a means of demeaning my opinion on Frankel. At least have the courage to own your garbage. As for Frankel being the best of your lifetime do you even recall what you said on the other thread. Here it is again just to refresh your memory. Good grief!
 
Cracksman, son of Frankel just put down a performance IMO equal to anything Frankel did over 2000m

Do not make offensive character attacks on members, thanks.


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Originally posted by ThreeBears ThreeBears wrote:

WOW. Do you take drugs often? You asked if I was a Pom or from Timeform, presumably as a means of demeaning my opinion on Frankel. At least have the courage to own your garbage. As for Frankel being the best of your lifetime do you even recall what you said on the other thread. Here it is again just to refresh your memory. Good grief!
 
Cracksman, son of Frankel just put down a performance IMO equal to anything Frankel did over 2000m

Just take breath mate, no need for the personal digs.

Timeform have underrated Winx by about 5lbs compared to International ratings, nothing to do with Frankel. 

Also I rate Frankel the best I've seen for his exploits over the mile, his not nearly as bomb-proof over 2000m, hence why I think Winx at her peak distance would hold all the tactical aces over that trip and be very close depending on race circumstance.

I've stated on a number of occasions he's the best I've seen in general terms, just so happens that Winx at WFA would be almost as good as any horse I've seen over 2000m.


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Originally posted by Formerly Kincsem Formerly Kincsem wrote:

Originally posted by ThreeBears ThreeBears wrote:


WOW. Do you take drugs often? You asked if I was a Pom or from Timeform, presumably as a means of demeaning my opinion on Frankel. At least have the courage to own your garbage. As for Frankel being the best of your lifetime do you even recall what you said on the other thread. Here it is again just to refresh your memory. Good grief!
 
Cracksman, son of Frankel just put down a performance IMO equal to anything Frankel did over 2000m


Just take breath mate, no need for the personal digs.

Timeform have underrated Winx by about 5lbs compared to International ratings, nothing to do with Frankel. 

Also I rate Frankel the best I've seen for his exploits over the mile, his not nearly as bomb-proof over 2000m, hence why I think Winx at her peak distance would hold all the tactical aces over that trip and be very close depending on race circumstance.

I've stated on a number of occasions he's the best I've seen in general terms, just so happens that Winx at WFA would be almost as good as any horse I've seen over 2000m.




Agreed. Your an international racing fan and watch most racing jurisdictions and are resoected by the forum.
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