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    Posted: 21 Aug 2019 at 2:35pm
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As revealed yesterday on it’s now announced Japanese mare Lys Gracieux has received special dispensation from government/quarantine authorities to travel to Australia and compete in Cox Plate. Connections of mare have accepted invite overnight.
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LYS GRACIEUX (JPN)Bay or brown filly 2014 
Heart's Cry
Bay 2001
Sunday Silence
Brown 1986
Halo
Bay or brown 1969
Hail to Reason
Brown 1958
Turn-To
Nothirdchance
1951
1948
1-w
4-n
Cosmah
Bay 1953
Cosmic Bomb
Almahmoud
1944
1947
14-f
2-d
Wishing Well
Bay 1975
Understanding
Chestnut 1963
Promised Land
Pretty Ways
1954
1953
14-b
1-g
Mountain Flower
Bay 1964
Montparnasse
Edelweiss
1956
1959
19>
3-e
Irish Dance
Bay 1990
Tony Bin
Bay 1983
Kampala
Brown 1976
Kalamoun
State Pension
1970
1967
9-c
7-a
Severn Bridge
Chestnut 1965
Hornbeam
Priddy Fair
1953
1956
1-p
19-b
Buper Dance
Bay 1983
Lyphard
Bay 1969
Northern Dancer
Goofed
1961
1960
2-d
17-b
My Bupers
Bay or brown 1967
Bupers
Princess Revoked
1961
1959
1-s
6-a
Liliside
Bay 2007
American Post
Bay or brown 2001
Bering
Chestnut 1983
Arctic Tern
Chestnut 1973
Sea-Bird
Bubbling Beauty
1962
1961
2-n
2-d
Beaune
Chestnut 1974
Lyphard
Barbra
1969
1969
17-b
7-f
Wells Fargo
Bay 1996
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge
1961
1975
2-d
5-h
Cruising Height
Bay 1987
Shirley Heights
Nomadic Pleasure
1975
1978
1-l
11-a
Miller's Lily
Bay 1988
Miller's Mate
Bay 1982
Mill Reef
Bay 1968
Never Bend
Milan Mill
1960
1962
19-b
22-d
Primatie
Bay 1975
Vaguely Noble
Pistol Packer
1965
1968
1-d
14-f
Lymara
Bay 1978
Lyphard
Bay 1969
Northern Dancer
Goofed
1961
1960
2-d
17-b
Maradadi
Bay 1969
The Marshal
Dilly-Dally
1962
1962
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1-l
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m x 5m,5m Lyphard4f x 5f,4f




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She is a genuine group 1 filly.

FPDateName of RaceTrackTurf / DirtDist.1st Horse (2nd Horse)
1Jun 23,2019TAKARAZUKA KINEN GIHANSHINTURF2200M(Kiseki(JPN))
1Nov 11,2018QUEEN ELIZABETH 2 CUP GIKYOTOTURF2200M(Crocosmia(JPN))
2Apr 9,2017OKA SHO (JAPANESE 1000 GUINEAS) GIHANSHINTURF1600MReine Minoru(JPN)
1Feb 4,2018TOKYO SHIMBUN HAI GIIITOKYOTURF1600M(Satono Ares(JPN))
1Oct 29,2016ARTEMIS STAKES GIIITOKYOTURF1600M(Flawless Magic(JPN))
2Oct 15,2017SHUKA SHO GIKYOTOTURF2000MDeirdre(JPN)
2Dec 11,2016HANSHIN JUVENILE FILLIES GIHANSHINTURF1600MSoul Stirring(JPN)
2May 13,2018VICTORIA MILE GITOKYOTURF1600MJour Polaire(JPN)
22018HONG KONG VASE GIHKGTURF2400M 
32019QUEEN ELIZABETH II CUP GIHKGTURF2000M 
2Mar 10,2019KINKO SHO GIICHUKYOTURF2000MDanon Premium(JPN)
2Oct 13,2018IRELAND TROPHY FUCHU HIMBA STAKES GIITOKYOTURF1800MDeirdre(JPN)
3Apr 7,2018SANKEISPORTS HAI HANSHIN HIMBA STAKES GIIHANSHINTURF1600MMiss Panthere(JPN)
3Sep 17,2017KANSAI TELECASTING CORP.SHO ROSE STAKES GIIHANSHINTURF1800MRabbit Run(USA)
5May 21,2017YUSHUN HIMBA (JAPANESE OAKS) GITOKYOTURF2400MSoul Stirring(JPN)
3Mar 4,2017TULIP SHO GIIIHANSHINTURF1600MSoul Stirring(JPN)




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Great to see.
Already 3rd favourite.
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If the 180 day rule is too long it should be changed, for all. It makes no sense to change it for one horse. Is there a sound scientific reason why she is less of a biosecurity hazard than any othe horse that has been to HK?
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She still wouldn't have beaten Winx. Will miss her, spring racing isn't the same without the mighty one. Mind you with a boyfriend like I am Invincible waiting for me I'd retire too. Go Winxy.
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Related to Just Cosmos, a 3yo filly that went through the recent Inglis Online sale.

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Well I am turning Japanese!

Homesman likes MV but that effort last sunday was not Cox Plate winning form!
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I couldn't pick anything racing in Australia now.
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

I couldn't pick anything racing in Australia now.


It's a weak era for middle distance racing in Australia.
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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Anyone give the kiwi Melody Belle a chance? She's won the NZ WFA triple crown and is unbeaten over a mile or further since her 10th in the JJ Atkins in Brisbane, yes I know not to get excited about the Kiwi form but nothing over here should worry her to much and she looks like being the best thing out of the Shaky Isles at least since Ocean Park.

Danzdanzdance's efforts over here worry me however as a form link.
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Dalasan and Avilius are the best two horses in the race by quite some distance. 




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Jamal the problem starts on the racecourse when young underraced stallions are rushed off to stud
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After Dalasan wins the Caulfield Guineas by 3 lengths this coming Saturday, he will be a deserved, $4 favourite for the Cox Plate...
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& when Flit wins the Thousand Guineas by 3 lengths, she will be $4.50 2nd favourite for the Cox Plate...
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A 3yo colt or gelding will do best of the locals and it will be racing today.
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

A 3yo colt or gelding will do best of the locals and it will be racing today.


More likely to be racing at Randwick than Caulfield is my thinking now but if Dalasan does win impressively I may change my mind.
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That import of Hayes that just won is heading to MV
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Cape Of Good Hope...first run in Australia and wins Caulfield Stakes. Only had ONE stakes win in Europe...at Listed level. Now is a Group 1 winner in Australia by winning the Group 1 Caulfield Stakes. That's how strong European racing is at 2000m onwards...they have depth.
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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More like lack of depth in Australian middle distance races
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Jamal, the race was going to be won by a G3 international horse by weight of numbers. 6 of 9 runners were overseas horses including favourite.
The 3 full on locals were 2 WA horses incl 9yo Bart and the out of form, after injury, Humidor.

Cape of Good Hope on other hand is 3yo NH and his run 4 back in France was great in a hot race that is way up with best European form. His next 3 runs were ordinary and that is what turned me off but that run 4 back was good enough to win group races in Europe which he would have done in time if he got back to that form.

The Herbert power on the other hand where the majority of the field were internationally bred was won by a nzer and another local ran 3rd. We have the talent here but we lack trainers and owners with knowledge and patience.
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Verry Elleegant has all the locals covered with only Kluger & Lys the main worry.

Pretty straight fwd!
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Highly doubt it, and also she needs to get a run first
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If you like Verry Elleegant just a word of warning.

Only three horses in the last decade have won a Cox Plate by not having had the lead up run in Melbourne.

2011: Pinker Pinker who came through the Epsom

2014: Adelaide whose previous run was the Secretariat Stakes in the US

2015: Winx coming off her Epsom win.

And only three horses since 2011 have also placed after having their lead up outside Melbourne, Jimmy Choux, Highland Reel and Yankee Rose.

The same as Alligator Blood going for the Prelude Guineas double precedents do matter.

I suppose that means my tip the mare from Japan, is in trouble as well.

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Originally posted by Mr Grieves Mr Grieves wrote:

Highly doubt it, and also she needs to get a run first

5x group winner. 2 at G1.

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Originally posted by VOYAGER VOYAGER wrote:

If you like Verry Elleegant just a word of warning.

Only three horses in the last decade have won a Cox Plate by not having had the lead up run in Melbourne.

2011: Pinker Pinker who came through the Epsom

2014: Adelaide whose previous run was the Secretariat Stakes in the US

2015: Winx coming off her Epsom win.

And only three horses since 2011 have also placed after having their lead up outside Melbourne, Jimmy Choux, Highland Reel and Yankee Rose.

The same as Alligator Blood going for the Prelude Guineas double precedents do matter.

I suppose that means my tip the mare from Japan, is in trouble as well.


Fair points Voyager!

History is against her. Oaks winners also don't have a great track record.

Will have to produce a verry big effort to run top 3
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Funny take
The way I see it VE got a soft 6 in Sydney and just beat a B grade horse
Good track at the Valley I wouldn’t go near her and she should be running in the Cup

Lys Graciuex should be winning as goes forward and is the best horse

Chances to Mystic Journey who will be peaking and sitting closer second go at 2000m
Te Akau shark is a wild card and my third pick

Kluger best roughie

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