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    Posted: 13 Jun 2017 at 1:56pm
Interested in a likely fee for this bloke now that he has retired to Kitchwin Hills. He appeals immediately as a genuine group sprinting son of Redoute's from a good family, being a half to two Group One winners. Damsires as Snippets and Vain certainly adds to his credentials, and third dam was Hayley's Hope.

It's not a family that has seen a great deal of salering presence so it's difficult to assess commerciality. How will he be received in the ring? Presumably his late announcement to stud will mean that he will need to be attractively priced? I'm thinking around the $8K mark but am interested in other views.
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COUNTERATTACK (AUS)
Bay colt 2012 
Redoute's Choice
Bay 1996
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968
Admiral's Voyage
Petitioner
1959
1952
4-n
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Bay 1968
Ribot
Flower Bowl
1952
1952
4-l
4-d
Spring Adieu
Bay 1974
Buckpasser
Natalma
1963
1957
1-s
2-d
Shantha's Choice
Bay 1992
Canny Lad
Brown 1987
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Jesmond Lass
Chestnut 1975
Lunchtime
Beautiful Dreamer
1970
1967
7-f
14>
Dancing Show
Bay 1983
Nijinsky
Bay 1967
Northern Dancer
Flaming Page
1961
1959
2-d
8-f
Show Lady
Bay 1976
Sir Ivor
Best in Show
1965
1965
8-g
8-f
Kisma
Bay 1999
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Chestnut 1970
Silly Season
Bay 1962
Tom Fool
Double Deal
1949
1946
3-j
1-g
Great Occasion
Chestnut 1965
Hornbeam
Golden Wedding
1953
1959
1-p
7-f
Easy Date
Bay 1977
Grand Chaudiere
Bay 1968
Northern Dancer
Lachine
1961
1960
2-d
19-b
Scampering
Bay 1970
Misty Day
Scamper Away
1958
1966
5-f
20-a
Vain Hope
Chestnut 1989
Vain
Chestnut 1966
Wilkes
Chestnut 1952
Court Martial
Sans Tares
1942
1939
1-p
13-c
Elated
Bay 1957
Orgoglio
Rarcamba
1949
1946
23-a
A10
Hayley's Hope
Chestnut 1979
Habitation
Bay 1971
Habitat
Star Story
1966
1966
4-r
14-a
Celia
Brown 1971
Sweet Moss
Celestial
1961
1965
2-o
13-b
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Has to be a risk given Shellscrape's offspring had no tails?

How do they assure the mare owner that the same issue won't present with this 3/4 brother?
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they dont offer any assurance

foals will be born then all will be revealed.. 
its like saying we gaurantee they will be good racehorses

no one knows.. till we know Wink

didnt shellscrape get a few winners from memory? its a good damline

I'd be in no rush to support 'another' redoutes.. 
each to their own though
Now having passed 1000 posts I feel you are all so much the wiser for my having said... stuff!
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Surely the tail thing is genetic & can be identified?
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Is it genetic? They never got to an answer with Shellscrape, as far as I am aware. There was a suggestion it may have been a product of medication.
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Counterattackwill be standing atKitchwinin 2017, and dare we say, at a fee where perhaps more first season stallions should commence their careers, $13,200.
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I saw that somewhat pointed comment in the media release and inferred it was a crack at horses like Deep Field and Headwater. But he is still a fee nearly double that of, say, Bull Point, who was also twice group one placed (once being a ridiculous run in the Golden Rose), won to group 3 level and comes from a deeper family.

I thought that given his late arrival in 2017 and the Shellscrape issue they may have been a little more accommodating.
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In regards to Shellscrape and his DNA variation, this was a defect that had never before been seen. Therefore a team of university vets set to source the cause of the issue, interested in its origin and causes. Subsequently hair testing his dam Kisma, and her progeny Red Tracer and Counterattack.

NO COPIES OF THE CANDIDATE DNA VARIATION ASSOCIATED WITH THE ABNORMAL TAIL CHARACTERISTIC WERE DETETECED IN ANY OTHER FAMILY MEMEBERS.

It was determined this variation in Shellscrapes DNA occurred during his conception when his Chromosomes were coming together they reacted unusually to develop this DNA variation. The team of vets finalised that this was not seen to be a hereditary variation.

Again, Both Red Tracer (Full sister to Shellscrape) and Counterattack have both tested negative to this variation, as have Red Tracers Progeny.

If anyone has any further questions, or would like a copy of the report prior to mating their mare to Counterattack, don't hesitate to contact Kitchwin Hills.

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Good on you James Thumbs Up
Appreciate the reply.
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Good reply!
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Great stuff Kitchwin.

But what about a decent discount for Robbo?Wink
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Agree - thanks James for the post. Great to see Kitchwin being proactive on the issue.   
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Just bumping this thread to see whether anyone knows of how much interest there is in this bloke in terms of likely book (and whether close to full).

Any info appreciated.

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Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

Has to be a risk given Shellscrape's offspring had no tails?

How do they assure the mare owner that the same issue won't present with this 3/4 brother?


Pleased to announce that my Counterattack colt born last night definitely has a tail.
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Counterattack colt at three weeks (sorry for the duplicate image). Apart from sending a mare with no white to a bay son of Redoute's and getting this result I really like him. The mare had a cracking Roman Emperor last year but this bloke is every bit as good. Just wish he would come back.
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