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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

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Funny how stayer tells us what is happening at the coal face, inside the schools ... and is riduculed by Whale ... whose only proof that he ever attended school are the scars from being caned!LOL


Actually it is stayers ''interpretation'' of what he thought he saw or heard. A man who sees flying fairies and believes in virgin births and thinks anyone left of Atilla The Hun is a contemptible socialist.

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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Funny how stayer tells us what is happening at the coal face, inside the schools ... and is riduculed by Whale ... whose only proof that he ever attended school are the scars from being caned!LOL

Schooling hasn't done much for you Smile

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Strange ..   I left school in 1947 . Finished ( 1st year ) as it was Known then.
   Ist work was in a Dairy , then to the Railways , Abatoirs, Institutonal Nursing, Customs , General Nursing etc , being had a hand in everything as any casual work was so readily available .
Lack of higher education was no real handicap . When we were at school in early years WE LEARNT .
I was later married to s School Teacher who made it to School Principal.
Hopeless ...   I could destroy her at maths .
My English = not good =   I recognise Whale is smart in that area .
They taught English good in Yugoslavia in his day.
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Your english is brilliant, macca. One of the only reasons I check in here. You're obviously a smart man, unlike the dressmakers who treat you like an old bogan etc. You're the Mark Twain of this kooky place.
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Macca is an absolute champion. Also an expert on demographics.
Time to get a bit fair dinkum
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macca = Yoda.

He runs rings around the boomers.
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Why climate change is an irrelevance, economic growth is a myth and sustainability is forty years too late

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As someone who has been exploring the world’s most isolated wilderness regions for nearly half a century, I have some insight into the state of the planet and the human race’s current environmental befuddlement. I’ve watched the condition of the earth plummet before my eyes within my own lifespan, to the extent that I no longer recognize it as the beautiful, diverse supporter of all life it once was.

So let me start by addressing a few key points of confusion that seem to affect both keen activists and head-in-the-sand deniers in equal measure:

Climate change is not the biggest threat to the world’s environment – we are. The world’s rivers and seas aren’t choked with floating piles of rubbish, toxic chemicals and plastic waste because of climate change. They’re that way because we have 7.7 billion people crammed onto a planet that’s dying under the pressure of our greedy, selfish abuse. Two decades from now, the earth’s oceans are on target to contain more plastic in them (by weight) than fish. Climate change didn’t do that. Way too many people did that.

Climate change hasn’t covered the world with concrete or replaced healthy ecosystems with canal estates and shopping malls – we and our ever-increasing numbers are the culprit. Climate change is only one of many symptoms of an out-of-control disease – human overpopulation. The irreversible environmental damage stemming from having too many people on a finite planet is already painfully evident. Our bloated population is diminishing our children’s futures in ways that have very little to do with the planet’s temperature.

I keep hearing people say “Humans have always found a way to solve difficult problems, so don’t worry – it’ll all work itself out”. Alas, the problem the earth faces now is one it has never dealt with before – a plague of nearly 8 billion humans. It can’t cope anymore.

We’ve been so distracted making money, embracing our agendas and spreading myths about ‘growth’ and ‘progress’ that we forgot to notice we’ve turned our only viable planetary home into a spherical garbage dump. Humans may be impressively intelligent, but they’re also profoundly self-focused and short-sighted.

No politician talks about our population epidemic. All you hear from them is ‘jobs, jobs, jobs’ and ‘more growth’. You don’t hear climate change activists talking about overpopulation, either. It’s too dangerous a subject, too painful a reality. It permanently occupies the ‘too hard’ basket.

Instead, we’ve all jumped on the global warming bandwagon. We stridently blame governments for lack of action on climate change – while secretly hoping that whatever they decide to do doesn’t adversely affect our consumer lifestyle.

Let’s not confuse activism with action – they’re not the same. One is about social inclusion and feeling good about your outrage; the other is about doing something tangible to make things better.

I hate to burst this old-school bubble, but there’s no longer such a thing as economic growth – not in this century. There’s no true sustainability, either – not any more. The ‘environmental tipping point’ everyone loves to talk about was actually reached around 1980, when science tells us that humanity began to consume more of the earth’s resources than the planet could possibly regenerate. We’ve gobbled up more of our planet’s resources in the past fifty years than in all previous human history combined and polluted our way to prosperity in the process. Climate change had nothing to do with any of that – and still doesn’t.

Economic growth needs population growth to sustain itself. But when a depleted planet can no longer carry the burden of an existing population and its endless demands, growth is nothing but a dangerous illusion. Today’s ‘healthy economy’ is tomorrow’s dystopian misery.

In this century, what we still mistakenly call economic growth is environmental destruction, pure and simple. Nothing we do today can be called sustainable on a planet that has already endured four solid decades of irreplaceable resource use. The 1970s were the last sustainable decade for mankind. Unfortunately, at the time, no one took notice that a tipping point had been reached and passed.

Our current environmental woes have almost nothing to do with the climate and everything to do with how we’ve been treating the earth – not just recently but for many centuries. We’ve always abused the earth horribly and managed to get away with it because our numbers weren’t significant enough to cause lasting damage. Now our numbers are out of control, and that presents us with limited options.

In hindsight, we should have addressed rampant overpopulation shortly after WW2, when the global population was still around 2.5 billion – less than a third of what it is today. But we were in the midst of jubilant post-war optimism and still believed in the delusion of ‘nature’s endless bounty’.

If you could go back in time to around 1604, to the spot where Manhattan now sits, you would see a tiny settlement of about 150 people enjoying a pristine coastal wilderness with superb growing soil, ample wildlife and rich timber forests – a genuine paradise on earth. Back then, whales would wander up the clean, fish-rich Hudson River and you could pull lobsters out of the sea half as long as a man. Huge flocks of passenger pigeons blackened the sky.

Today, that same place is wall-to-wall concrete, with one of the highest human population densities on earth. We’ve been so busy ‘improving’ things that we’ve destroyed practically everything. In the end, our legacy as a species won’t be about all the wonderful things we’ve created while we’ve occupied the earth. It will be about all the wonderful things we’ve destroyed.

The most astounding explosion of human population in history happened on my generation’s watch, so we need to take ownership of that lack of foresight. Our own children are now paying the price for our blunders and have every right to be worried about the earth’s future – and theirs. But let’s not heap all the blame on baby boomers. Previous generations helped the planet’s degradation along just as blindly, and today’s young people still expect the sort of prosperous lifestyle that a dying planet can now only provide in the very short term.

So, I would patiently urge all climate-change activists to direct their environmental concerns at those who really deserve it. They can start with the economists, developers and politicians who blissfully believe that the status quo of ‘perpetual growth’ still works. They can then move on to the religious zealots who still spout the mantra of ‘man’s dominion over nature’ and abhor the idea of contraceptives. After that, they can apportion a hefty dose of blame to the world leaders who purposefully sidestep the overpopulation issue like the political hot potato it is, despite the fact that it’s killing our planet and robbing future generations of the spectacular biodiversity and viable ecosystems that older generations took for granted. And finally, they can look in the mirror and ask themselves what they are personally doing (besides protesting in the streets) to make their planet a better place for all the life that dwells on it.

What are the solutions to an overcrowded planet? Firstly, to stop getting sidetracked by the climate change industry and recognize that the problem is our sheer numbers and blatant disregard for the planet’s health – not the climate. We must replace political and economic agendas and warped ideologies with better education (especially in science). We need more global promotion of family planning, more female empowerment and government incentives to have fewer children – not more. And sadly, we should have been proactive about all this stuff at least 60 years ago, instead of just waking up to our self-inflicted predicament now.

While it’s reassuring that today’s young people are increasingly aware of the seriousness of their environmental plight, they are protesting up the wrong tree. They should direct their passionate attention to the real enemy – a greedy, arrogant, two-legged species that’s in furious denial and has become far too adept at making excuses for the inexcusable.

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https://researchonline.jcu.edu.au/52041/

Final nail in the coffin of fraudulent data changes behind IPCC claims - and peer reviewed too.
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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

https://researchonline.jcu.edu.au/52041/

Final nail in the coffin of fraudulent data changes behind IPCC claims - and peer reviewed too.


Jeez you anti-science folk go down some dirty dusty off the beaten track trails to support your dogma. A phd dissertation now from the world renowned James Cook University. Was it even passed?Tongue


John McLean, PhD?

A recent PhD thesis from James Cook University has been receiving a reasonable amount of attention on sites that either dispute anthropogenic global warming (AGW), or its significance (I won’t link to them, but you can probably find them if you want). The PhD is by someone called John McLean. His PhD supervisor was initially Bob Carter, who died a couple of years ago (Stoat’s post about his death caused a bit of a furore). After Bob Carter’s death, he was then supervised by Peter Ridd, who was fired earlier this year by James Cook University.

If you really want to read the thesis, you can download it here. It has two main parts, one of which considers problems with the HadCRUT4 data, and the other considers alternative causes for the warming, and that bleaching on the Great Barrier Reef has happened before. It’s all very amateurishly written; it’s more like blog science, than something that could be submitted for a PhD.

The discussion of problems with the HadCRUT4 data is very odd. It’s well known that HadCRUT4 suffers from coverage bias. However, there are a number of other global temperature datasets that account for this issue and produce results that are broadly consistent with the HadCRUT4 data (HadCRUT4’s coverage bias actually leads to it showing slightly less warming than those datasets that do account for this). It’s possible that there are problems with some of the actual data, but there is lots of data, so a problem with a small fraction of this data is almost certainly of negligible significance. It seems highly unlikely that those who work with these datasets haven’t checked to see how the results might be impacted by potential data issues. You can also sample subsets of the full dataset. Doing so produces results that are consistent with the full dataset.

The next part of the thesis suggests that the observed warming is a consequence of a combination of ENSO events and changes in cloud cover. This appears to be based on a paper he published in 2009 and one he published in 2014 (I had a link to this, but it was giving warnings when some tried to access it, so I’ve removed it). Turns out that I’ve already discussed the latter. Essentially, it ignores that clouds are a feedback not a forcing, so it’s just nonsense. I don’t think anyone ever published a response, but it seems to have been mostly ignored.

There was, however, a response published to the first paper which says

The suggestion in their conclusions that ENSO may be a major contributor to recent trends in global temperature is not supported by their analysis or any physical theory presented in their paper, especially as the analysis method itself eliminates the influence of trends on the purported correlations.

Essentially, the analysis removed the trend, so couldn’t say anything about what might be causing the long-term warming. As far as I can see, the thesis makes no mention of this response.

I’ve probably already wasted enough of my time discussing this thesis, so will stop here. I don’t know how theses are examined at James Cook university, but it would be quite interesting to know who the examiners were. I’ll finish by posting a Media Matters video that discusses McLean’s work.


https://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com/2018/10/20/john-mclean-phd/



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How much did peter Ridd win in his damages claim against JCU?Embarrassed

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