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NOB, do not catastrophise - leave that to the expert Climate Alarmists and their SJW minions at GetUp and The Greens!Wink

Long before we run out of coal, and long before the planet freezes over or turns to dust (whichever the latest Climate Lie is predicting!Ouch) we will have properly developed, reliable, affordable and quite likely cleaner alternatives to coal ... it's happening now, and it's likely that we will have these functional alternatives within decades ... and they will be adopted unilaterally around the world, for those reasons, not because they provide multi millionaires with an opportunity to pick the pockets of taxpayers via subsidies from gullible governments.Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Newtown Old Boy Newtown Old Boy wrote:

What will the coal believers do when it runs out?


   You are a very brainy Woman NOB .     We have an endless supply of Coal.

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I saw a show on SBS the other night & it said there'd be no coal or oil (forget which!) left in the US within 50 years. Could've been the world but whichever, there isn't an endless supply of either. Same for a huge aquifer in Jordan, presently supplying most of the countrys' produce tho' I think that is now in much shorter supply.
Experience is something you gain a few minutes after you could have used it!
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Quite simply, the banks and the big energy companies won’t touch new coal fired power stations. Won’t happen, and it’s not because of subsidies.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/new-coal-plants-wouldnt-be-clean-and-would-cost-billions-in-taxpayer-subsidies-72362
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...subsidies that renewables are getting...
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

I saw a show on SBS the other night & it said there'd be no coal or oil (forget which!) left in the US within 50 years. Could've been the world but whichever, there isn't an endless supply of either. Same for a huge aquifer in Jordan, presently supplying most of the countrys' produce tho' I think that is now in much shorter supply.


The punchline for NOB was going to be = he has to be a woman, NO man is that silly    and .
    We will never be out of Coal as we don't use it.

    hahahahahaha     I'm too fanny.
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Quite simply, the banks and the big energy companies won’t touch new coal fired power stations. Won’t happen, and it’s not because of subsidies.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/new-coal-plants-wouldnt-be-clean-and-would-cost-billions-in-taxpayer-subsidies-72362

Your naivety and blinkered compliance to the "teachings" are quite endearing!  

Did "The Conversation" cut and paste that from "The Guardian" or "GetUp"?

Tell me which multi national energy conglomerate would NOT build a coal fired power station, as opposed to investing in windmills and solar panels, if the SUBSIDY IMBALANCE WAS REVERSED ... ie COAL WAS SUBSIDISED AT A RATE 6 or 7 TIMES MORE THAN RENEWABLES ... and which MAJOR BANK CEO WOULD BE SACKED, FOR NOT FUNDING IT?

Follow the money, dummies!Cry 
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Hey Doc, is the price of wind, tide of sunshine subject to market price manipulation?

What do you think will happen to the price of coal or oil as it starts to run short?
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Nope, wrong again Doc. Banks and large energy companies aren’t going to make stategic investment decisions on the basis of subsidies, which are at the whim of the government of the time. The industry said so at the beginning of the year, and they’ve acted on it since:

https://www.energycouncil.com.au/news/credible-national-and-climate-policy-remains-solution/

Renewable is seen as the winner, coal as the loser. That’s just the way it is.
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How desperate are these 'coal is king' ideologues getting?


Government backbenchers are insisting the competition watchdog investigate AGL's planned closure of the Liddell power station as a possible misuse of market power, adding to Malcolm Turnbull's headaches in settling on an energy policy acceptable  to he Coalition party room.

NSW Liberal MP Craig Kelly, who chairs the Coalition's backbench energy committee, maintains AGL's decision not to offer up the ageing Hunter Valley station for sale could be a breach of competition law and should be re-examined against the effects test, which came into force late last year.

But the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission late on Thursday ruled out a probe, reiterating chief Rod Sims' view that AGL's conduct did not amount to a substantial lessening of competition.

AGL reaffirmed in September it would close Liddell in 2022



Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/govt-mps-want-competition-watchdog-to-look-at-liddell-closure-20180104-h0df46#ixzz53H78rtdD 
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Hey Doc, is the price of wind, tide of sunshine subject to market price manipulation?

What do you think will happen to the price of coal or oil as it starts to run short?

Why are you tilting at windmills PT?

Do you disagree with my summary that we WILL have renewables?

Are you just after some sort of "win"? ... if so, feel free to jump on the Trump Train ... Toot! Toot!!LOL
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Are you just after some sort of "win"? ... if so, feel free to jump on the Trump Train ... Toot! Toot!!LOL
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this from the fool who even after being shown to have his "facts" incorrect still acts like a winner LOL
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Nope, wrong again Doc. Banks and large energy companies aren’t going to make stategic investment decisions on the basis of subsidies, which are at the whim of the government of the time. The industry said so at the beginning of the year, and they’ve acted on it since:

https://www.energycouncil.com.au/news/credible-national-and-climate-policy-remains-solution/

Renewable is seen as the winner, coal as the loser. That’s just the way it is.

So major industry mouth pieces don't engage in politicking? ... endearing!Big smile 
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Like vegetarian tofu burgers (once), it is now de riguer with "trendoids" to hate coal with a passion. Never mind if Australia didn't export coal in huge quantities, we'd all have the arze out of our pants !
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

How desperate are these 'coal is king' ideologues getting?


Government backbenchers are insisting the competition watchdog investigate AGL's planned closure of the Liddell power station as a possible misuse of market power, adding to Malcolm Turnbull's headaches in settling on an energy policy acceptable  to he Coalition party room.

NSW Liberal MP Craig Kelly, who chairs the Coalition's backbench energy committee, maintains AGL's decision not to offer up the ageing Hunter Valley station for sale could be a breach of competition law and should be re-examined against the effects test, which came into force late last year.

But the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission late on Thursday ruled out a probe, reiterating chief Rod Sims' view that AGL's conduct did not amount to a substantial lessening of competition.

AGL reaffirmed in September it would close Liddell in 2022



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Why would a company refuse to sell an asset to a competitor, if it is technologically and financial nonviable, and they can't do anything with it themselves??? ... do you think someone is telling fibs?Confused

Just how gullible and commercially unaware are you crazies?Embarrassed ... do you think they may want to keep it as a museum?LOL
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Lol there is Max, with his hatred off things he perceives as trendy, like SSM  etc. And being such a stick in the mud dag,  any normal human activity is too fashionable for him LOL
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Like vegetarian tofu burgers (once), it is now de riguer with "trendoids" to hate coal with a passion. Never mind if Australia didn't export coal in huge quantities, we'd all have the arze out of our pants !

Socialists max! ... produce nothing, the state will provide, commercially illiterate parasites, death riding capitalism ... Venezuela is looking nice!Dead
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PT and co love to imagine themselves in the vanguard of progressive dynamism, the very cutting edge of informed thinking, unfettered by prejudices......blah, blah. In reality, just apeing the latest "buzz" fed to them from social media, their next original idea their first !
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max, it is called a moral compass. It seems you either have one or you dont
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

PT and co love to imagine themselves in the vanguard of progressive dynamism, the very cutting edge of informed thinking, unfettered by prejudices......blah, blah. In reality, just apeing the latest "buzz" fed to them from social media, their next original idea their first !


is that right, you have it all worked out from your bunker LOL
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

PT and co love to imagine themselves in the vanguard of progressive dynamism, the very cutting edge of informed thinking, unfettered by prejudices......blah, blah. In reality, just apeing the latest "buzz" fed to them from social media, their next original idea their first !
Max I presume the "Co" bit includes Whale. That's more than he deserves ! 
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

PT and co love to imagine themselves in the vanguard of progressive dynamism, the very cutting edge of informed thinking, unfettered by prejudices......blah, blah. In reality, just apeing the latest "buzz" fed to them from social media, their next original idea their first !


is that right, you have it all worked out from your bunker LOL

Ii's just max doing what he accuses others of doing...pigeon holing

Zero self awareness


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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

max, it is called a moral compass. It seems you either have one or you dont

Hard to find one, the factory in Venezuela that made them has been torched!Embarrassed
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max, it is called a moral compass. It seems you either have one or you dont

No, it is just a form of elitism, falsely imagining yourself to be firmly in possession of the truth, and worse than that, thinking yourself on the side of what is "good". The ultimate fantasy. Nothing is that black and white. Only a fool is not beset by doubts, that is one certainty you can back in !
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Do you think we are any closer to resolving this issue than we were 292 pages ago ? Pretty straight forward from my perspective !
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

max, it is called a moral compass. It seems you either have one or you dont

No, it is just a form of elitism, falsely imagining yourself to be firmly in possession of the truth, and worse than that, thinking yourself on the side of what is "good". The ultimate fantasy. Nothing is that black and white. Only a fool is not beset by doubts, that is one certainty you can back in !


thanks for confirming that Doc, you have never shown a single doubt on TBV even when you have been shownd to be incorrect Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

max, it is called a moral compass. It seems you either have one or you dont

No, it is just a form of elitism, falsely imagining yourself to be firmly in possession of the truth, and worse than that, thinking yourself on the side of what is "good". The ultimate fantasy. Nothing is that black and white. Only a fool is not beset by doubts, that is one certainty you can back in !


thanks for confirming that Doc, you have never shown a single doubt on TBV even when you have been shownd to be incorrect Thumbs Up
Yeah...however you admire him anyway !
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

PT and co love to imagine themselves in the vanguard of progressive dynamism, the very cutting edge of informed thinking, unfettered by prejudices......blah, blah. In reality, just apeing the latest "buzz" fed to them from social media, their next original idea their first !

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I find this thread extremely entertaining
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