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keenas
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Posted: 25 Jun 2008 at 11:49pm |
Hi,
Just wondering if anyone had any thoughts on whether Churchill Downs might make it as a stallion.
Cheers
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troppo75
Champion Joined: 10 Jun 2008 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1438 |
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Nice looking horse, didnt come up with the goods on the track. Given multiple chances. Over priced (catch cry of the year)
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bradjm
Champion Joined: 13 Mar 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 6175 |
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I thought he performed very well on the track.
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bangalow
Champion Joined: 20 Dec 2007 Status: Offline Points: 375 |
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This was a horse I followed on the track....he performed well but didnt live up to his early potential...well bred though
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Walter
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I really liked him when I saw him at their Open Day. It's a bit of a cliche, but I think he is all Danehill and a better type than Elvstroem. Danehill/Sharpen Up has produced one of the best sire sons in Danehill Dancer.
Would use him at about 8K but instead am using Gonski |
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troppo75
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Guys if you think he was well performed on the track then we obviously have different ideas of what is good.. and what is average
I would say a good one to breed one to race.. but at his fee... no... not even. As coolmore say... we dont bother having them on our farm unless they can win group 1's. |
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Pius
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He is one of the nicest Danehill's I have seen. On the track he was good enough to place in the Golden Slipper, Magic Millions and Ascot Vale Stakes. I was actually hoping that he would not win a Group 1 and would be one of Coolmore's cheapies, alas. He is at a stud with a second to none reputation and will get his chance. I would have thought $7,000 to $8,000 would be his price. |
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Gay3
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Wow, what muscle definition! He almost looks too 'tight'.
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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slightchance
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He was a lovely yearling but never looked quite right on the track. As you said Gay - almost too tight.
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internat
Weanling Joined: 06 Jun 2008 Status: Offline Points: 90 |
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she served the handy racemare Isanami in her maiden year at stud. i had a share in her -lease only actually(with no option to buy) :((
anyone want to comment on that pairing? did a winner of 280k plus, gr2 sires produce at morphetville, sale cup prelude along with a few other wins deserve a better chance first up?
would this being her first foal enter into consideration?
her precociousness? she was brilliant but tempraMENTAL missing the start horribly but still winning or near miss.
what is being reinforced or strebthened regarding line breeding or aptitude
cheers
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interested
Yearling Joined: 25 May 2007 Status: Offline Points: 124 |
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Does it really matter Internat. It seems this was a mating for the sale ring in any event and provided it looks half decent, will bring a decent price. CD is the hot flavour with Inglis so that counts for plenty. In fact was almost the only first season stallion they promoted last year.
I am sure you might have considered other options if you had a thought to retain the progeny to race.
I might be wrong in my assesment and appolgise in advance if I am but I don't think I am far off the mark.
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interested
Yearling Joined: 25 May 2007 Status: Offline Points: 124 |
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PS, Internat, I was a huge fan of the much-maligned Isanami and in spite of her trainer slamming her every time he opened his mouth, he should have been far more revering of her good qualities - namely - she was a very good race mare, a very nice type and I hope fro your sake she proves to be a very good broodmare.
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octavius
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They did a piece on him in the latest Bred to Win episode.
Does look a nice horse and would consider him a cheap option if he was indeed cheap, which he is not. |
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troppo75
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Octavius.. you should be making heaps of money from your trapezoid scheme! You can afford him The cheque is in the mail
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djebel
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The Grey PanelCHURCHILL DOWNSCan’t keep Churchill DownIrish Champions’ Weekend was a triumph for the Coolmore team, as it generally is. One can presume that the partners were able to recover from the shock of seeing the trophy for the feature race head elsewhere after It has been a pillar of Coolmore’s strength that whenever the organisation has unearthed a massively influential stallion, it has ensured that it has retained an involvement in the ownership of a high proportion of the stallion’s sons. Thus many of the colts from Danehill died as the result of a paddock accident at Coolmore Stud in Ireland in May 2003, which meant that the great stallion was already dead by the time that Churchill Downs was born in Australia later that year. At that time, Fastnet Rock had just turned two and had just joined Paul Perry’s stable, from which he would carry the dark blue silks to victory in the Lightning Stakes at Flemington and the Oakleigh Plate at Caulfield as a three-year-old. He was (and is) a magnificent horse, typical of the very best of Danehill’s stock. Churchill Downs, bred by Strawberry Hills Stud, was an almost-similarly imposing young colt, and so it was no surprise firstly that Strawberry Hills proprietor John Singleton should send him to the Magic Millions Yearling Sale at the Gold Coast (Singleton is part-owner of the company) at the Gold Coast in January 2005, and then that the colt should top the sale (at $950,000) to a bid of Coolmore agent Demi O’Byrne. A deal was done which saw Singleton retaining an involvement with the colt, who was sent down to South Australia to join David Hayes’ team. Hayes had a particularly strong team of juveniles in the 2005/’06 season. Miss Finland (who had been bought from her breeder Gainsborough Stud for $450,000 at the Inglis Easter Yearling Sale) and Churchill Downs both burst to prominence in the New Year. Having broken her maiden over 1000m, Miss Finland then landed the first of her 10 stakes victories when taking the VRC Talindert Stakes over 1100m at Flemington at the end of January. By this time, though, Churchill Downs had already established as a high-class juvenile. He had made a winning debut under Craig Williams when taking the MRC Let’s Get Physical Plate at Sandown a couple of weeks before Christmas. The $1 million GCTC Conrads’ Jupiter Magic Millions Two-Year-Old Classic on the second Saturday of January at the Gold Coast loomed, so Hayes sent the colt north, calling in at Sydney en route where Churchill Downs opened his black-type account when strolling home in a weak renewal of the AJC Widden Stakes over 1100m at Randwick. Continuing on northwards, Churchill Downs couldn’t quite land the Magic Millions, finishing second, but he still proved his class in the process. Furthermore, his defeat was not a bad result for his breeder and part-owner John Singleton: ‘Singo’ owned the winner The rest of the season continued to run like a dream for Hayes’ team. Nadeem and Miss Finland provided the stable (and their boom young sire, the massive Danehill horse Going into the Slipper, all three were still engaged in the race, but I Got Chills was not pleasing her trainer. In their final pre-race gallops, Miss Finland went very satisfactorily, but the pairing of Churchill Downs and I Got Chills produced mixed results: Churchill Downs hammered the filly, prompting Hayes to scratch her and send her off for a spell. He observed, “She was as flat as a pancake this morning. But on the positive side, Churchill Downs was exceptional, and Miss Finland did everything we wanted of her.” With Craig Williams on Miss Finland and Sydney’s reigning champion jockey Darren Beadman booked for Churchill Downs, the trainer was hopeful that he could provide the quinella in the Slipper, just as he had done in the Blue Diamond. As it turned out, Hayes couldn’t quite manage the quinella, but he came very close. Miss Finland dominated the race with a 4.5-length victory, while Churchill Downs failed by only a head to finish second, passing the post inches behind the Ron Maund-trained runner-up Subsequent events proved that season’s Golden Slipper had contained its usual quota of stars. Miss Finland was clearly the brightest and she continued to excel, her majestic three-year-old season in 2006/’07 seeing her victorious in the MRC Thousand Guineas, VRC Oaks, VRC Australian Guineas and STC Storm Queen Stakes. She subsequently landed a sixth Group One triumph by taking the MRC Memsie Stakes as a four-year-old. The several other stars to emerge from the 2006 Golden Slipper, though, came from among the also-rans: in the 2006/’07 season, fifth-placed Churchill Downs was not one of those able to go on subsequently to top-level glory. However, the one win which he recorded from his nine starts as a three-year-old came in a prestigious race: the Group Two MVRC Bill Stutt Stakes over 1600m at Moonee Valley in the spring. It was not, though, a vintage edition, Craig Williams getting him home narrowly ahead of At the end of the season, though, Churchill Downs did not really seem to be making any further progress, and had not really done enough to warrant a place on Coolmore’s roster. Bearing in mind that Danehill’s sons there at the time included the Group One winners Fastnet Rock, Danehill Dancer, Consequently a deal was done which saw Churchill Downs take up stud duties at Blue Gum Farm in Victoria, which made him one of two Danehill horses on the four-strong roster. Danehill’s other son there was the outstanding international galloper Churchill Downs had his chances at Blue Gum Farm, but once he had started to have runners in the 2010/’11 season it was clear that he was getting neither the quantity nor quality of winners required to remain in favour with breeders. Consequently he was sold in 2012 for export to Libya. Happily, he has eventually left behind a few decent horses in Australia, even if he did not register his stakes winners until a couple of years after his emigration. In the second half of the 2013/’14 season, his second-crop sons By the time that Churchill Downs retired to stud, Australia’s sires’ ranks were already saturated with Danehill blood. It is not really surprising that he failed to break through when competing against so many of his superior paternal half-brothers – but that does not alter the fact that he was an impressive horse. It is pleasing to see some of his sons and daughters still doing well. |
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acacia alba
Champion Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Location: Hunter Valley Status: Offline Points: 41457 |
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This poor horse is at some stud in Tripoli ! How sad .
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animals before people.
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MichaelM
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Why is that sad? He could be getting very well looked after for all we know which would make it an excellent result for a stallion that didn't crack it.
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Gay3
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One can only hope as we do for all the failed or 'used by date passed with all our local stallions.
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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MichaelM
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Correct. But as you know we don't live in a perfect world. I'm sure this guy would have been afforded a comfortable retirement or 2nd chance wherever that may have been. I just don't think we should assume just because a horse is sold to a 3rd tier racing jurisdiction that they will all of a sudden be ill-cared for or mistreated.
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acacia alba
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I dont see Tripoli at the present time as a really wonderful location , for people, let alone animals.
Seeing the way the American Ambassador was murdered recently, by the locals, makes one wonder what will happen to a horse if he doesnt perform well. However, you sell your horses there by all means, if you feel happy with that , and it brings in the dollars . We are all entitled to our opinions, but for mine, I wouldnt send a cockroach there , let alone a horse. But its just my opinion , and we all know what they say about opinions |
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animals before people.
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Gay3
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Former Australian stallion among horses stolen by armed militiaFormer Australian stallion, Golden Slipper placegetter Churchill Downs, is among 12 horses stolen from Libya’s biggest stud, Al Shaab. Raced by John Singleton and trained by David Hayes, Churchill Downs ran second in the 2007 Magic Millions Classic and third in the Golden Slipper. He stood at stud in Victoria before being bought and transported to Libya in 2012. Al Shaab’s general manager and equine veterinarian, Dr. Amad Eshaab, said on Twitter the farm had been attacked by armed militia at the weekend and six in-foal mares and six stallions taken. “I am so sad and my heart is broken. … It is my life’s work, for my country and countrymen, I preserve the national heritage, and now this terrible assault. It is too cruel,” Eshaab said. The stud, near Tripoli, was overtaken by armed militia from the city of Tarhuna, and, according to Eshaab, the intruders looted everything from veterinary devices and equipment to furniture, generators, jars, and water pumps. “Six o’clock yesterday an armed group came from the Tarhuna city, militia loyal to Haftar. They stole six in-foal (mares) that are about to give birth this January or February,” Eshaab told BloodHorse.com. “Then they entered the stallion (barn) and stole six stallions. “They shot two horses (who) were wounded in the legs … no one could provide the ambulance to help the horse with euthanasia. “We appeal to all humanitarian organisations and all horse organisations to save the horses of Libya.” Al Shaab Stud is one of the largest stables in North Africa and was established in April 2000. Eavesdropper, a Kentucky-bred, stakes-winning son of Kingmambo who is a half brother to A.P. Indy and Summer Squall, were among the stallions stolen. The others were New Zealand-bred Brut Force, the top sire in Libya, the former Gai Waterhouse-trained Backdraft, as well as Irish-bred Raise a Grand and American Metternich. Eshaab was unable to work for nine months because of violence in the area but said he was proud of the progress and national heritage the farm represented. “It has contributed greatly to the advancement of the horse industry in Libya,” he said “(it has) contributed to the establishment of the Libyan Stud Book and contributed to the establishment of the Libyan Horse Racing Authority.” |
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acacia alba
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I knew there was a reason why I wouldnt be sending a horse of mine to Tripoli.
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