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If it wasn't for Julie Bishop's travel rorts or her Chinese Glorious Foundation slush fund, we wouldn't even know the joint existed over this side of the country.
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thats a bit below the belt pt  

or

is that the best you can do pt?

did you know pt iron ore is the big attraction.

puts money in your pocket

and that of the chinese who come to australia and then force the reale estate prices up.

used to be the sheeps back, now its iron ore.

can you mine it in your back yard pt?LOL
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And how much do we rely on China to buy our mineral resources?

Should we stop selling stuff to them Isaac, because of their aggressive quest for global dominance?
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

And how much do we rely on China to buy our mineral resources?

Should we stop selling stuff to them Isaac, because of their aggressive quest for global dominance?




PT can't see how out of tune he is to the majority of Australians , Isaac.
Even the Sharks are joining in to take a few out of his protected , non productive area.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

I think it has more to do with Trump putting pressure on Europe to buy Apple than a true security risk Isaac. 

They want Iran's gas, so Iran is a terrorist supporter, they want Iraq's oil so Saddam is in bed with Osama. (They want Iraq's oil again, so look for destabilization there again soon)They tried this same argument on Kaspersky last year, but like Iran thing, it didn't get traction. The lineup of security personnel at Senate hearings was identical and the questions asked identical. 

Huawei is insignificant in Apple and Samsung dominated US with about 2-3% market share, but 35% market share in Europe. 

It is the politics of Trump's stupid trade wars, not security imo.


All political maneuvering  for sure PT

Trump says he would intercede with Huawei's Meng Wanzhou case if it's good for trade, security, according to report




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thank god its only your opinion pt.

thank goodness someone is standing up to the sneaky chinese.
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Isaac, a second Canadian has been arrested in China and is being held hostage as the Huawei diplomatic scandal deepens.

Why aren't you all over this?Ouch
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had seen it pt.

however this is closer to home.

Nick Butterly: WA Labor fight a Chinese puzzle

Nick ButterlyThe West Australian

Reading a few gusty headlines last week, it would have been little stretch to picture the Harbin-born WA Labor MLC Pierre Yang making his own rendezvous with a Chinese sub in the dead of night off Cottesloe, slipping away with a satchel of state secrets for Beijing.

One newspaper reported how Yang, who is a member of the Army Reserve, was posted aboard a claimed “Chinese spy ship” off the WA coast as a liaison officer during the hunt for missing Malaysian airliner MH370, leaving open the question of exactly what his true mission may have been.

Yang was already in a pickle for his failure to declare to Parliament his membership of two Perth-based Chinese associations with strident views on issues such as Beijing’s claims over the South China Sea — views diametrically at odds with longstanding Australian foreign policy.

Could it be that WA had its very own Chinese sleeper agent hiding in plain sight in the Legislative Council?

Reds under the bed?

Not likely.

In reality, Yang had become a victim of his own success. The Chinese Australian, who came to Perth at age 15, has worked hard to establish himself in WA Labor, but has put some powerful noses out of joint along the way.

Yang appears to have quickly grasped former prime minister John Howard’s dictum — that politics is governed by the iron laws of arithmetic — and set about an energetic recruiting drive in Perth’s Chinese community to provide a bedrock for his rise inside WA Labor.

Yang joined WA Labor in 2001, three years after arriving in WA. By one report he has now recruited a record 500 party members to WA Labor since being elected to Parliament 18 months ago — meaning he has enlisted about one in 14 members of the party in this State.

Angst over Yang’s branch-stacking boiled over at a WA Labor administrative council meeting last Friday as the powerful body — which is headed by top MPs and union officials — debated the MLC’s push to create a new branch inside the party’s Curtin electoral council.

The new branch was to be called Churchlands, and the members Yang had put forward were drawn almost entirely from Perth’s Chinese community. With a stronger hand in the electoral council, Yang would bring numbers to Labor’s State executive and get a bigger say in preselections for State and Federal seats.

To be clear, there is nothing technically wrong with branch stacking. Any politician worth their salt does it. The trick is to hit upon a cohort of people and rally them to your side.

In the WA Liberal Party there has been much hand-wringing in recent years about the use by some senior figures of evangelical church groups to stack branches.

But Yang’s sin in the eyes of some was the source of his numbers.

As one WA Labor figure told The West Australian, navigating the politics of Perth’s Chinese community can be a tricky business and often more trouble than it is worth. China’s rapid rise and aggressive territorial claims have encouraged a frothy nationalism among young Chinese expatriates.

Efforts to mine the local Chinese community for numbers and cash could capture a few colourful characters along the way.

The Yang story also served to highlight again the subterranean tensions between the Left and Right of the party’s union base.

Yang is a member of the Left’s United Voice, which has traditionally dominated WA Labor. In recent months, a new alliance of Left and Right factions calling itself Progressive Labor has claimed to hold numbers — but only just.

Yang’s numbers might swing the pendulum back in favour of the Left. Labor State president Carolyn Smith — who also comes from the Left — gave a strong defence of Yang, blasting “senior members” of the party for leaking confidential membership information and complaining that attacks on the MLC had a sniff of xenophobia.

Australian politics faces a real threat in the form of Chinese interference in our political system. Look at the recent cases of dumped Labor MP Sam Dastyari, or ASIO’s repeated warnings to political parties about foreign donations.

And Yang’s case again highlights the embarrassing state of WA’s political disclosure laws. Stone age rules mean the public won’t get to see what Chinese organisations Yang has joined or quit for another year.

But we should be careful about seeing the hand of Beijing where it does not exist.

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no doubt, the chinese do things differently, to the western world.

Detained Canadians Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor face 'nightmare' interrogation in China

By international reporter Michael Vincent

Updated about 2 hours ago

It was the dark of night when former Canadian diplomat Michael Kovrig was taken by officers from China's state security apparatus to an unknown location in Beijing and rendered incommunicado.

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  • The two Canadians were arrested shortly after Huawei's Meng Wanzhou was detained
  • During interrogation the pair will be put under immense pressure, a former ambassador to China says
  • China experts are concerned the pair are being used as political hostages

Last Monday, December 10, was the beginning of his "nightmare" — the "interrogation phase" — according to his friend and former Canadian ambassador to China, Guy Saint-Jacques.

They worked together closely for two years before Mr Kovrig took leave of the Canadian foreign service to join the respected NGO, The International Crisis Group, an organisation for which Australia's former foreign minister Gareth Evans was chief executive.

As a diplomat with four decades' experience, including 13 years spent in China, Mr Saint-Jacques has seen enough cases to know what the Chinese State Security Bureau officers are capable of doing to his former colleague.

"I have a lot of feeling for Michael because he is going through a difficult process," Mr Saint-Jacques said"The lights will always be on in his room. There will always be a minder present. They will put a lot of psychological pressure on him to try and have him break down and admit to anything."

Those psychological pressures to which Mr Kovrig is likely to be subjected include sleep deprivation and even starvation in some cases, Mr Saint-Jacques said.

"They render the feeding schedule unpredictable. He will be subject to long hours of questioning.

"Once he is formally charged — if you look at the Chinese legal system — 99.9 per cent of the people are found guilty.

"The odds will be against him."

Kill the chickens, scare the monkey'

This week, Canada learned it is the chicken in the Chinese proverb.

China has taken not just one but two Canadian citizens "hostage", in the words of one experienced China watcher, the Lowy Institute's Richard McGregor.

Mr McGregor said this was a reprisal for the arrest of Meng Wanzhou, a powerful Huawei executive recently detained in Canada, pending extradition to the USMichael Spavor, an entrepreneur, was also taken into custody by the Chinese on the same day as Mr Kovrig on December 10 — the date celebrated by the UN for the adoption of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Mr Spavor runs a company called Paektu Cultural Exchange. He has worked in North Korea, including running former NBA star Dennis Rodman's peculiar visit there in 2013.

Mr Saint-Jacques believes Beijing wants to send a clear message to the United States.

The chicken-killing proverb has also been used in the Australian context.Just last year, former senator Nick Xenophon used it in a speech to the Australian Strategic Policy Institute when posing the possibility China "may sink an Australian vessel to warn off the United States Navy".

That was in the context of a conflict in the South China Sea, but parallels remain.

"I think that Australia and Canada are in very similar positions and if something were to happen like [a US arrest warrant for a Chinese national] in Australia, I think you would be subject to similar behaviour," Mr Saint-Jacques said.

For now, Canada is "caught in the battle between two elephants and we have our hands tied with our strategy".

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-15/canadians-detained-in-china-face-tough-interrogation/10621930

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What would your advice be to Mr Trudeau Isaac?
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