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females more than get their own back nowadays.

is a shame it even has to be an issue.

i learn a lot form "The Good Fight". thoroughly recommend it, very topical, and current. gee one of the main characters last night was not going to go back to her husband if he had voted trump! and a piece on a feminist web site, with the defendants of the bloke being a feminist and a lesbian and older women, both African american and white.

i dont see gender or colour.
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Nor do I.
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Australia wide Telstra outage again today Isaac, the second in a month. 

China, you reckon?
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While Australia watched a wedding, China was making its next move

When not busy with a celebrity wedding in a far-off land, Australia and the US have spent recent days preoccupied with problems of trade with China. But have you noticed what the Chinese government has been busy with over the last few days?

For the first time, the People's Liberation Army Air Force on Friday landed heavy bombers on an island in the South China Sea. Three weeks ago it installed anti-ship and anti-aircraft cruise missiles on some of the islands.Meaning what, exactly? "The gloves are off, in layman's terms," says the Lowy Institute's director of international security studies, Euan Graham. "The Chinese have abandoned the fiction of a non-militarised presence in the South China Sea."

All the islands that China is arming are claimed by other countries in the region. But isn't China in negotiations with those countries over a code of conduct to prevent any such escalation? Indeed it is. "This is a very overt slap in the face to be doing things that are overtly military and offensively military while there's a diplomatic activity designed to prevent exactly this sort of thing from happening," Graham tells me.

But it's ultimately something much bigger than a slap in the face of the nations of South East Asia. "These are things that, a decade ago, the US would have been prepared to take military action to stop," suggests Hugh White, professor of strategic studies at ANU and former head of strategy at the Defence Department.  Today, they produce nothing more than standard talking points from the public relations desk at the Pentagon. "The US remains committed to a free and open Indo-Pacific," said a spokesman.

Barack Obama wasn't any more effective. Beijing simply ignored Obama's warnings it had to stop seizing disputed marine territories. There were no consequences. And Beijing brushed aside The Hague's ruling that there was "no legal basis" to its claim on the Spratley island group. Again, there were no consequences."The art of Chinese strategy," says Hugh White, "is to slice the salami pretty thinly" taking small, incremental steps in gradual accumulation of territory and power. "But every few months they do something to show there's nothing the US can do or will do to stop them."

"China is demonstrating to its own people, to its neighbours, to the world that the US can no longer dictate what goes on," he tells me. "As they do, they demonstrate that the US is no longer the power it once was."White prophesied in 2010 that, if sustained, China's rise "may mark the passing of the epoch of Western dominance of Asia that began five centuries ago, in 1498, when Vasco da Gama brought Portuguese naval power to India".

And today? "We are not there yet, but we are clearly heading in that direction and we will keep heading in that direction unless the US does something decisive to change the state of play. I certainly don't see that from Donald Trump, or from any credible successor he might have."part from anything else, the US President is busy trying to cut a trade deal with China. And he's also relying on Chinese help as he tries to negotiate a nuclear arms deal with North Korea.

The Lowy Institute's Graham says that Beijing is "rolling out the capability while it has the political window".

And what does this mean for Australia? Most political and media discussion of China in recent weeks has been devoted to discerning whether Australia has a problem in its relations with China. Peak hysteria was a newspaper column demanding that Malcolm Turnbull sack Minister for Foreign Affairs Julie Bishop because China relations were "now in the freezer". The author, Geoff Raby, a former Australian ambassador to Beijing, is now on the board of a Chinese state-controlled coal company and runs his own China-based consultancy.There are some signs of Beijing's displeasure with Australia - a go-slow on holding some high-level meetings, a go-slow in customs processing of Australian wine imports, some cranky lines in a hyper-nationalist Chinese newspaper - but it's hardly a crisis.

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Why might the Chinese be cross? Because the government criticised the Chinese Communist Party's covert foreign influence operations in Australia. Two points here. First, if the Chinese regime were seriously trying to punish Australia, we wouldn't have to guess. They'd impose real economic pain, as they did in boycotting South Korean music and movies, as they did in cutting off a key Philippines export, bananas.

Second, if the party were "punishing" Australia for standing up for itself, is it really the right reaction to self-flagellate? Is Australia that craven? White puts it this way: "The Chinese have only cleared their throat, and they've got us running around like chooks with our heads cut off."
Would China sack its foreign affairs minister for defending its national interests?

While Raby and friends indulge in a cringing myopia, the Chinese Communist Party is using what White calls "brute power politics" to restructure the regional order.  By landing its H-6K heavy bombers on Woody Island in the Paracel group, by putting anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles on three of the islands of the Spratly group, China's regime was asserting its intention to dominate the sea and air across the South China Sea, the world's most valuable commercial artery and Australia's chief trade lifeline.There's no conceivable defensive rationale for putting these things on these islands," says Lowy's Graham. "It speaks very powerfully to power projection. They are literally putting markers down."

And he says the touchdown of a heavy bomber in the Paracel group is likely "a prequel to combat aircraft deployments to the Spratlys", where Beijing has already built runways and hangars capable of taking large military craft.

The Chinese bomber has a range of 3520 kilometres. Meaning that if deployed to the Spratlys, "the H-6Ks could reach northern Australia or US defence facilities on Guam", a key US Pacific base, according to the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative.

White argues that a new regional order of Chinese dominance is closer by the day, but not yet upon us. However, "it's certainly well past the point of the old order based on uncontested US primacy".

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Meanwhile, instead of addressing the dangers of China to the world, the so called leader of the free world is doing deals with them for $500m business loans, caving to them on trade and doing deal with them to get Kim Jong Un to agree to anything that will get Trump a Nobel Peace Prize. 

We are screwed. 
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pt has a a new name, panda hugger.Image result for panda hugger
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Hey Isaac, they now say that a panda is genetically closer to a bear than to the previously believed position of being closer to a raccoon.

What do you think?

Do you think pandas spy on behalf of the Chinese Govt?
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mmm panda hugger. are we getting closer to the truth about your good self?LOL
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He does look very huggable. Not sure about a couple of years time.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

He does look very huggable. Not sure about a couple of years time.

Pay that one.

Genuine question, PT, if you can get over Trump for a second. And to Shammy too, who seems to understand US politics/ patterns better than anyone here. From what you guys know, do you think the US is in an inevitable new phase of having to cede ground to China over the next few decades? (I'm obviously asking because that's my opinion, but I know very little about it all apart from reading opinion pieces from all kinds of biases on the net.)

And what would it take to provoke a strong US reaction (i.e. military) to China's incremental take-over of parts of the globe?

Probably pretty important questions re the future of Oz.
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Too late, if it was ever a possibility. You can't stop countries freely cooperating with each other, and 75 are now cooperating with China.

The TPP was seen as the counter to Belt and Road but Trump scuttled it as one of his first actions in power. Now he wants back in, but nobody will trust him. He is the best thing that could have happened for China. The next President will renegotiate a place in it, but China has momentum.
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Art of The Deal - Chapter 5.

China, U.S. near deal on ZTE reprieve; Beijing cuts auto tariffs

Washington neared a deal to lift its ban on U.S. firms supplying Chinese telecoms gear maker ZTE Corp, sources tell Reuters, and Beijing announced tariff cuts on car imports, further easing trade tensions between the world's two largest economies.

The reprieve for ZTE , hit by a seven-year ban in April that had crippled its operations, could include China removing tariffs on imported U.S. agricultural products, as well as buying more American farm goods, two people briefed on the matter told Reuters.

https://www.acbr.com.au/china-us-near-deal-zte-reprieve-beijing-cuts-auto-tariffs

In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Making China Great Again 
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Steve Ciobo was on ABC Radio lauding what was a truly appalling "TPP" between Oz and China, as overseen by Andrew "Thanks for the $700k for doing absolutely F-all" Robb.

All in the context of suggesting our awaited TPP with the European Union would be truly great for Oz, without of course addressing or explaining any cost benefit analysis.

Thing is, every agreement is painted as being to Oz advantage and a real coup for the Government of the day. History suggests otherwise.  
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Good work by Trump? 

... or another CATASTROPHY!!!Cry ... you know, like a booming US economy, record low unemployment, stopping illegal immigrants, enabling the 20+ year promise to Israel, imminent World Peace ...Wacko
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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