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I read about this a couple of years ago and hadn't read any more till just recently. I thought the Vatican has a say in the nomination process. Wouldn't this be just an innitial step towards bringing the Vatican-Catholics into the open with a view to some sort of pathway to ammalgamation with the State controlled Catholics at some point in the future? 
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I read about this a couple of years ago and hadn't read any more till just recently. I thought the Vatican has a say in the nomination process. Wouldn't this be just an innitial step towards bringing the Vatican-Catholics into the open with a view to some sort of pathway to ammalgamation with the State controlled Catholics at some point in the future? 

Yes that's the line being sold (somewhat desperately by the few progressive streams struggling to rationalize such idiocy and betrayal.) Equating it to John Paul 2's dealings with commie governments. Total BS. The current pope is hopelessly naive and controlled by the very types of people he publicly condemns. He has had experience with south american forms of communism/socialism, but has no idea about the reality of what goes on in China. I could go on about vatican stuff in recent years, but my point on this thread is just that China is getting pretty powerful in global politics.
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You have to understand what the false govt catholic body is really about (basically keeping eyes and notes on people who threaten the status quo) to appreciate how bad this is.
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I thought the Chinese made the approach to the Vatican requesting Papal ''pardons'' for Chinese Bishops to legitimise them in the Catholic Church and in return the Vatican Catholics would be brought into the structure of the Chinese church albeit in lesser roles. 

That sounds like the Chinese reaching out  making moves they need not make. What is it to China if the Catholic church prospers or even survives in China? With a population estimated at 12 million in a country of 1.4 billion they must be little more than an annoyance.
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True. But they must be pretty annoying (!) for the govt to "reach out"!
Any way if you're genuinely interested in knowing about it all I can post some links. Eg the previous pope benedict wrote some very carefully worded stuff about it all. And no, the communist bishops weren't approved by the vatican. Avenues of dialogue were opened and invitations made, but of course the chinese govt didn't want to play on anyone else's terms. They just wanted to look nice.
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Sure thanks. Thumbs Up

China today is different to China just a few years ago. Their belt and road project extends throughout Europe who with 600 million people and high GDP they are the biggest part of the trade pact. Relations with and cultural concessions with European countries is just part and parcel of their project I believe.

Same in Africa, which is another huge potential market, they are having cultural hurdles there and are actually engaging Indian and Japanese companies to joint ventures because of their longer exposure to Africa. 

They are going out of their way to make this work with a charm offensive as well as lots of cash in the form of infrastructure investment low interest loans
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I believe you but I don't have an economic bone in my body so can't respond. I'm ok with big picture cultural/ philosophical type stuff and I can see that China might be finally about to go global. It's a bit of a worry if they want to shut down personal life etc and "subordinate things to the general good." Ugh.
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i try my best to point stuff out but apathy is a big winner.... wonder what the Dalai lama would have to say?

and pt shuts it/shoots it down quickly....
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Yep apathy about big issues is a symptom of the media feed of sensational ones. Funny how the more connected we are by the internet the more we become a bunch of gossiping old women.
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Isn't that democracy in action? Globally interconnected and anyone able to get an opinion out there to anyone in the world with a computer and a connection
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Isn't that democracy in action? Globally interconnected and anyone able to get an opinion out there to anyone in the world with a computer and a connection

china lets the outside world in? doesnt it have its owned controlled internet?

would you call china democratic?
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Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Isn't that democracy in action? Globally interconnected and anyone able to get an opinion out there to anyone in the world with a computer and a connection


china lets the outside world in? doesnt it have its owned controlled internet?

would you call china democratic?

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I wasn't talking about China specifically, but having their own internet doesn't mean anything VPNs are readily available and in use even in countries like Nth Korea, China and Syria. People in war zones all over the world post live on twitter and Facebook.
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china, like our benevolent bankersLOLLOL
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Originally posted by stayer stayer wrote:

Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Isn't that democracy in action? Globally interconnected and anyone able to get an opinion out there to anyone in the world with a computer and a connection


china lets the outside world in? doesnt it have its owned controlled internet?

would you call china democratic?

This.

86 million Chinese have passports and they are the biggest spenders on international travel in the world.

I think the cat is already out of the bagLOL
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by stayer stayer wrote:

Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Isn't that democracy in action? Globally interconnected and anyone able to get an opinion out there to anyone in the world with a computer and a connection


china lets the outside world in? doesnt it have its owned controlled internet?

would you call china democratic?

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86 million Chinese have passports and they are the biggest spenders on international travel in the world.

I think the cat is already out of the bagLOL

so long as they tow the state line, otherwise they will be detained and arrested when getting home. 

whats your opinion on the book sellers etc that are arrested, or disappear?

where do you get your figures from pt?
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and what about the rest of the questions?
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Like what? I read and listen to a huge volume of stuff, I dont keep links to much of it
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Like what? I read and listen to a huge volume of stuff, I dont keep links to much of it

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so long as they tow the state line, otherwise they will be detained and arrested when getting home. 

whats your opinion on the book sellers etc that are arrested, or disappear?

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<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">so long as they tow the state line, otherwise they will be detained and arrested when getting home. </span><div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">
<div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">whats your opinion on the book sellers etc that are arrested, or disappear?


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Do you have a link to that?

I have mixed thoughts on censorship but generally oppose it, especial cultural 

Is China the only place that practices censorship? Do not western countries still ban books? Australia has banned heaps

I was outraged when Noddy and Big ears got chopped and more recently Peppa Pig having episodes banned in Australia
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Last week, the British Prime Minister, Theresa May, paid a visit to China. The visit took place at a time when Brexit continues to dominate British politics and was intended to provide a positive view of post-Brexit Britain being able to build the type of closer trade relations with global superpowers that it is unable to do while in the EU.

In that sense, it was pretty successful, with GB£13 billion of deals signed off while she was there. However, the British Prime Minister returned home to something of a firestorm after journalists and activists accused her of dodging the issue of human rights whilst there. These accusations were not unfounded.

How Theresa May ‘sidestepped’ human rights issues in China

Her visit received praise from the Chinese state media for its lack of controversy, which is frankly never a good sign. In the English language edition of the state-run Global Times, May was dubbed as “pragmatic” for failing to raise human rights issues, and instead just making "enthusiastic and positive remarks about China". Meanwhile, both she and French President Emmanuel Macron, who also recently visited China, were commended for “sidestepping” the human rights issue.

The Communist Party mouthpiece concluded that “this shows that the Sino-European relationship has, to a large degree, extricated itself from the impact of radical public opinion.”

By ‘radical public opinion’ what they mean of course is those who vocally oppose the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) appalling track record of human rights abuses. Their view is that these issues are their own domestic business and how the party chooses to abuse its own people is not the business of the rest of the world. International diplomacy should, in the eyes of the CCP, be confined solely to economic relations.

Such an approach is of course completely unacceptable, especially when a country like China is so flagrantly flouting so many international laws and basic human norms.

Quite rightly, Theresa May was slammed by the British media and by human rights activists on return from her visit for failing to mention human rights publicly, despite insisting beforehand that she would do so.

Why is China treated differently to other authoritarian regimes?


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But inevitably the issue quickly died down and, at a time when Theresa May is facing a myriad of other problems, it quickly proved to be the least of her concerns.

But that is not how it should be. The UK and other European countries never fail to trumpet their self-declared position as bastions of freedom and democracy and are quick to criticize many other regimes around the world which do not live up to their high standards. So, why is China treated any differently?

The brutal reality is that it all comes down to money. China is not shy about using its economic clout as its major diplomatic tool. And sadly, there appears to be not a single developed nation that is able to resist this allure.

Usually, there is an acceptance that they need to be seen to be questioning China’s human rights record publicly. What this means, in reality, is a brief mention of the issue at a joint press conference (which is naturally censored to Chinese audiences) followed by ‘private conversations’.

Whether such ‘private conversations’ do actually take place is open to question. But even if they do, they never appear to lead to any tangible changes in Chinese policy. However, that claim is usually still enough to placate the media and human rights activists until the next visit takes place. And that is frankly most visiting politicians main concern. Principals be damned!

Why Theresa May did not follow this fairly established procedure this time round is perhaps evidence of how important Britain views future economic ties with China post-Brexit. She was seemingly reluctant to raise such challenging issues even in passing for fear of upsetting her Communist benefactors.

There was a belated statement from Downing Street that she did raise human rights issues with both President Xi Jinping and Premier Li Keqiang in, you guessed it, private discussions. But this time, such a claim was too little too late.

Gui Minhai and how human rights abuses should be addressed


Freed Hong Kong bookseller Lam Wing-kee stands next to a placard with picture of missing bookseller Gui Minhai. (AP photo)

The willingness of the western world to sweep Chinese human rights abuses under the carpet is something which should shame them all. But, of course, things can change when the abuses in question are happening to citizens of their own countries.

This is the case at the moment with Swedish citizen Gui Minhai, a bookseller based in Hong Kong, who has been detained by Chinese Communist Party officials for several weeks now.

It is not the first time Gui, whose bookshops sells gossipy books about senior Communist Party officials, has been detained by Chinese officials. In 2015, he was abducted from his home in Thailand and held for several months after reports that he was planning to publish a book about a former mistress to the Chinese President.

He has since been unable to leave China but was traveling with Swedish diplomats in January when he was seized once again. In this case, the international outcry has been significantly different to the usual platitudes.

Swedish Foreign Minister Margot Wallstrom has said publicly that Gui’s abduction was “brutal” and "contrary to basic international rules on consular support." However, she was criticized for taking almost two weeks to make the statement. The Swedes also went so far as to summon the Chinese Ambassador over the issue.

The US Government has also condemned the detention of Gui, with State Department spokesperson Heather Nauertsaying “We call on Chinese authorities to explain the reasons and legal basis for Mr Gui's arrest and detention, disclose his whereabouts, and allow him freedom of movement and the freedom to leave China.”

It is refreshing to see Western governments willing to condemn China over such a blatantly unlawful detention. Although the fact that Gui remains in detention at the time of writing shows the obvious contempt China holds for the opinions of democratic governments and international norms.

It is a little less reassuring when you realize that their concern about Gui clearly stems from the fact that he holds Swedish citizenship and was detained despite the presence of Swedish diplomats. The fact that such detentions happen to Chinese citizens every day and the overarching principals behind this are not at the forefront of their minds at all.

If the regular and gross violations of human rights in China are to be reigned in and any form of individual freedom returned to the Chinese people, then it has to be incumbent on Western diplomacies to make a public stand on these issues.

It is no longer acceptable to ‘sidestep’ these key issues, while simultaneously accepting billions of dollars from the Communist regime in China for doing so. Such an approach normalizes and legitimizes practices which should be anything but normal and legitimate in 21st-century society.

Such criticisms must not be confined to Western citizens alone either. Strong issue has to be taken against the detention and persecution of all those who suffer under the Chinese regime, from human rights and democracy activists to religious groups and ethnic minorities.

Regular criticisms should be made both unilaterally and through the numerous international bodies where the Chinese regime sits brazenly alongside democratically elected governments. It must be made abundantly clear to China that such abuses will not be tolerated, where they are dolled out on Chinese or international citizens.

And if such warnings are ignored, they must be followed up with tangible action. Economic sanctions and travel restrictions against the country and individual Communist Party leaders should be put in place to hit the CCP and its leaders where they really hurt; in their pockets.

And this is about more than just reigning in the Communist regime in China. If a stronger stance isn’t taken on these issues, then the spread of authoritarian regimes will continue around the world. Democracy will continue to be eroded around the world, and assaults of freedoms will spread outside national borders and across the globe.

Unless the free world takes action now, in the long run, it will not just be the Chinese people who suffered at the hands of the CCP. It will be everyone.

 

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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Do you have a link to that?

I have mixed thoughts on censorship but generally oppose it, especial cultural 

Is China the only place that practices censorship? Do not western countries still ban books? Australia has banned heaps

I was outraged when Noddy and Big ears got chopped and more recently Peppa Pig having episodes banned in Australia

You should stop posting anythibg "serious" right about now. Sorry if I missed a point. Do you know what happens to real people in China while you talk gelati from byron bay?
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Originally posted by stayer stayer wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Do you have a link to that?

I have mixed thoughts on censorship but generally oppose it, especial cultural 

Is China the only place that practices censorship? Do not western countries still ban books? Australia has banned heaps

I was outraged when Noddy and Big ears got chopped and more recently Peppa Pig having episodes banned in Australia

You should stop posting anythibg "serious" right about now. Sorry if I missed a point. Do you know what happens to real people in China while you talk gelati from byron bay?

You rarely get a point.

What do you think of Australia's human rights record, setting aside for a while your low views on brown and black people? Manus, Nauru are appalling human rights violations, We are currently having a debate on declining Aboriginal conditions that the PM is walking away from. Homelessness in our cities, poverty and wage inequality levels are increasing, economic growth and profits are growing rapidly but not flowing to low income earners . We have a few things to sort out before criticizing others records.

Engagement with China and many other countries in that new system will benefit everyone and force the lifting of everyone's game on all sorts of areas, and the best way to bring change is to shine light on the problem, and engage to make change, through economic and cultural exchange, not the sad old cold war mentality you and Isaac cant escape. 

Nixon made the first steps with his ping pong diplomacy and the world's engagement with China hasn't looked back since. You can't say China today is China in 1972. China is going to return to being the world's leading economic superpower, like it or not and Trump and your isolationist thinking has supercharged it by showing emerging and developing countries that the old colonialist invade, occupy and exploit system to benefit only US growth, has an alternative. The debate for us to join them is already under way.

Check overnight news on debate of a Northern Australia special economic zone restarting
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Yep Australia's human rights record is worse than china's. Wow.
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Did I say that?

Everyone has their own baggage and the way forward in sorting it out with all sides is engaging with people and bringing it into the open, not building higher walls and building bigger bombs to fire over them. China are clearly making an enormous effort to engage and move forward. Clearly old prejudices and self interest from some countries and people will get in the way with that, and will continue to foment division. America said they would disengage from the rest of the world, withdrawing from the TPP and threatening the same with NAFTA. They should just move aside and let the rest of the world get on with other arrangements 
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By posting THIS;

"What do you think of Australia's human rights record, setting aside for a while your low views on brown and black people? Manus, Nauru are appalling human rights violations"

You have earned the right to never be taken seriously again.Thumbs Down


In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Just what colour ARE you CNNPT? ... I don't think ANYONE in here thinks more lowly of WHITE people as you do?Stern Smile

We know you are GREEN, and not just with envy of The Trump Success, but you really should be embarrassed ... unless you identify as indigenous, sometimes, you know, like Bob Katter, the crazy cat man. Wacko
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