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A bloke tried to take the rap for doping GEORGE WAY horses..the WA Stewards would not buy it.

HOLLYWOOD GEORGE WAY...a plunge success.

(HERE'S a good story for you to read)  APRIL 2011

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Some of the Directors at Aquanita are or have been big bettors. It seems inconceivable that they did not know what was going on. If they did not know it would truly be an Annus Mirabilis which is Latin for miracle year.
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Originally posted by Lordy Lordy wrote:

Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

A) all horse handlers are licensed, doesn’t stop them taking the rap - why small trainers get done and big trainers employ scapegoats.

Is there a formal qualification for Scapegoat? Would be an interesting career choice.


Good with a tube and needle
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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Originally posted by Lordy Lordy wrote:

Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

A) all horse handlers are licensed, doesn’t stop them taking the rap - why small trainers get done and big trainers employ scapegoats.

Is there a formal qualification for Scapegoat? Would be an interesting career choice.


Good with a tube and needle
Also need to be skilled at admitting guilt and denying any other person's involvement.
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No qualifications needed Lordy, but the main requirement is, you need to be prepared to suffer a potential stay at one of her majesty's facilities, where it is not advisable to bend down and pick the soap up in the shower!
Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise
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Is there another trainer in VIC [now an industry icon] that was caught tubing? is it mandatory to be successful as a trainer you have to have an 'edge'......there are hundreds of trainers with ability who do not need needles/tubes/cobalt supplements......such a shame many do, karma though sorts the wheat from the chaff.......eventually and inevitably.
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Originally posted by Bonjour Bonjour wrote:

Is there another trainer in VIC [now an industry icon] that was caught tubing? is it mandatory to be successful as a trainer you have to have an 'edge'......there are hundreds of trainers with ability who do not need needles/tubes/cobalt supplements......such a shame many do, karma though sorts the wheat from the chaff.......eventually and inevitably.


Let’s not forget Bonjour that a lack of positive swabs does not equal no cheating is going on...
There would be hundreds of trainers with excellent reputations pushing said boundaries and remaining undetected by authorities
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Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Originally posted by Bonjour Bonjour wrote:

Is there another trainer in VIC [now an industry icon] that was caught tubing? is it mandatory to be successful as a trainer you have to have an 'edge'......there are hundreds of trainers with ability who do not need needles/tubes/cobalt supplements......such a shame many do, karma though sorts the wheat from the chaff.......eventually and inevitably.


Let’s not forget Bonjour that a lack of positive swabs does not equal no cheating is going on...
There would be hundreds of trainers with excellent reputations pushing said boundaries and remaining undetected by authorities


Absolutely spot on,must corrupt sport around unfortunately , people in the know, know.



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Originally posted by goldey goldey wrote:

Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Originally posted by Bonjour Bonjour wrote:

Is there another trainer in VIC [now an industry icon] that was caught tubing? is it mandatory to be successful as a trainer you have to have an 'edge'......there are hundreds of trainers with ability who do not need needles/tubes/cobalt supplements......such a shame many do, karma though sorts the wheat from the chaff.......eventually and inevitably.


Let’s not forget Bonjour that a lack of positive swabs does not equal no cheating is going on...
There would be hundreds of trainers with excellent reputations pushing said boundaries and remaining undetected by authorities


Absolutely spot on,must corrupt sport around unfortunately , people in the know, know.



 
Absolutely correct lads.
 
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Originally posted by goldey goldey wrote:

Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Originally posted by Bonjour Bonjour wrote:

Is there another trainer in VIC [now an industry icon] that was caught tubing? is it mandatory to be successful as a trainer you have to have an 'edge'......there are hundreds of trainers with ability who do not need needles/tubes/cobalt supplements......such a shame many do, karma though sorts the wheat from the chaff.......eventually and inevitably.


Let’s not forget Bonjour that a lack of positive swabs does not equal no cheating is going on...
There would be hundreds of trainers with excellent reputations pushing said boundaries and remaining undetected by authorities


Absolutely spot on,must corrupt sport around unfortunately , people in the know, know.


You have to wonder how endemic the corruption is within Victoria Racing, and who is actually involved?

Just about makes me sick to read Brad Waters (Racenet's full time Melbourne based journalist, since 2008), sickening headline - 'Al Dorama sends Smerdon out with a Flemington win."

Boys Club pat on the back article.  So glad you hold an industry participant with 115 charges laid against him in such high esteem.



Nice to see some of the sanctimonious media types may also be some of the people in the know.

No wonder they hold PUNTERS in total disdain, and treat PUNTERS with contempt.



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How many positive swabs in HongKong each year?
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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Originally posted by Lordy Lordy wrote:

Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

A) all horse handlers are licensed, doesn’t stop them taking the rap - why small trainers get done and big trainers employ scapegoats.

Is there a formal qualification for Scapegoat? Would be an interesting career choice.


Good with a tube and needle


Should maybe teach them how to use their delete button on their mobile phone, tho  ??Wink
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Originally posted by Lordy Lordy wrote:

Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

A) all horse handlers are licensed, doesn’t stop them taking the rap - why small trainers get done and big trainers employ scapegoats.

Is there a formal qualification for Scapegoat? Would be an interesting career choice.


Good with a tube and needle


Should maybe teach them how to use their delete button on their mobile phone, tho  ??Wink


Can’t have everything I suppose. They’re called a goat for a reason
Tbh if the trainer isn’t responsible for all staff actions, how is integrity ever going to be upheld?
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Originally posted by Luva Punt Luva Punt wrote:

Originally posted by goldey goldey wrote:

Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Originally posted by Bonjour Bonjour wrote:

Is there another trainer in VIC [now an industry icon] that was caught tubing? is it mandatory to be successful as a trainer you have to have an 'edge'......there are hundreds of trainers with ability who do not need needles/tubes/cobalt supplements......such a shame many do, karma though sorts the wheat from the chaff.......eventually and inevitably.


Let’s not forget Bonjour that a lack of positive swabs does not equal no cheating is going on...
There would be hundreds of trainers with excellent reputations pushing said boundaries and remaining undetected by authorities


Absolutely spot on,must corrupt sport around unfortunately , people in the know, know.



You have to wonder how endemic the corruption is within Victoria Racing, and who is actually involved?

Just about makes me sick to read Brad Waters (Racenet's full time Melbourne based journalist, since 2008), sickening headline - 'Al Dorama sends Smerdon out with a Flemington win."

Boys Club pat on the back article.  So glad you hold an industry participant with 115 charges laid against him in such high esteem.



Nice to see some of the sanctimonious media types may also be some of the people in the know.

No wonder they hold PUNTERS in total disdain, and treat PUNTERS with contempt.





Craig Tompson (owner/part owner of Racenet) is besties with Smerdon and lackey Merrick Staunton so that would explain their glowing praise.
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Originally posted by mc41 mc41 wrote:

How many positive swabs in HongKong each year?


Not many if any , the sport is highly scrutinized in Hong Kong , just get on the Hong Kong Jockey Club site. Trackvwork Vet treatments, everything is transparent , great point mc41.
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Originally posted by Bonjour Bonjour wrote:

Is there another trainer in VIC [now an industry icon] that was caught tubing? is it mandatory to be successful as a trainer you have to have an 'edge'......there are hundreds of trainers with ability who do not need needles/tubes/cobalt supplements......such a shame many do, karma though sorts the wheat from the chaff.......eventually and inevitably.
Yes, he was caught milkshaking I believe.
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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Originally posted by Lordy Lordy wrote:

Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

A) all horse handlers are licensed, doesn’t stop them taking the rap - why small trainers get done and big trainers employ scapegoats.

Is there a formal qualification for Scapegoat? Would be an interesting career choice.


Good with a tube and needle


Should maybe teach them how to use their delete button on their mobile phone, tho  ??Wink


Can’t have everything I suppose. They’re called a goat for a reason
Tbh if the trainer isn’t responsible for all staff actions, how is integrity ever going to be upheld?

Didn't Waterhouse and another get off on charges because strappers did the contamination?
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So Gai said. 
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Waller got a fine because staff injected the wrong horse before the Metrop. Lucky he trained the second horse too so no real damage done.

The lesson in NSW seems to be have too many horses and too many staff and there's always someone readily available to blame. Cop a wet lettuce leaf to the wrist, move on.
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Originally posted by BlackKnight BlackKnight wrote:

Waller got a fine because staff injected the wrong horse before the Metrop. Lucky he trained the second horse too so no real damage done.

The lesson in NSW seems to be have too many horses and too many staff and there's always someone readily available to blame. Cop a wet lettuce leaf to the wrist, move on.


What about B Baker’s horse Diademe in Qld before a group 1?
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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Originally posted by BlackKnight BlackKnight wrote:

Waller got a fine because staff injected the wrong horse before the Metrop. Lucky he trained the second horse too so no real damage done.

The lesson in NSW seems to be have too many horses and too many staff and there's always someone readily available to blame. Cop a wet lettuce leaf to the wrist, move on.


What about B Baker’s horse Diademe in Qld before a group 1?
 
Old mate Adam Matthews name popped up in that one didn't it ?
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Originally posted by Bi Carb Bi Carb wrote:

Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Originally posted by BlackKnight BlackKnight wrote:

Waller got a fine because staff injected the wrong horse before the Metrop. Lucky he trained the second horse too so no real damage done.

The lesson in NSW seems to be have too many horses and too many staff and there's always someone readily available to blame. Cop a wet lettuce leaf to the wrist, move on.


What about B Baker’s horse Diademe in Qld before a group 1?

 
Old mate Adam Matthews name popped up in that one didn't it ?


Thick as thieves
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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Originally posted by Bi Carb Bi Carb wrote:

Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Originally posted by BlackKnight BlackKnight wrote:

Waller got a fine because staff injected the wrong horse before the Metrop. Lucky he trained the second horse too so no real damage done.

The lesson in NSW seems to be have too many horses and too many staff and there's always someone readily available to blame. Cop a wet lettuce leaf to the wrist, move on.


What about B Baker’s horse Diademe in Qld before a group 1?

 
Old mate Adam Matthews name popped up in that one didn't it ?


Thick as thieves

This piece of gelati, has obviously overcome his mental health issues! Large as life at the MM with Bussitton.
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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Originally posted by BlackKnight BlackKnight wrote:

Waller got a fine because staff injected the wrong horse before the Metrop. Lucky he trained the second horse too so no real damage done.

The lesson in NSW seems to be have too many horses and too many staff and there's always someone readily available to blame. Cop a wet lettuce leaf to the wrist, move on.


What about B Baker’s horse Diademe in Qld before a group 1?

Totally, nothing made of that. BB is shifty as, his horses used to swing by the trotting track for a little help before the races. Known fact!
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Interesting that- I’d have thought his former career would make him not reliant on anyone else for doping assistance?
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Interesting that- I’d have thought his former career would make him not reliant on anyone else for doping assistance?


Too hard to scapegoat yourself! Plus requires a bit of intestinal fortitude
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The bloke had 3 positives in one day in NZ.........either thick as, or?.........leopards and all that? Google that one, poor old Dad, then again, he's got himself a magic partner trainer now, Dad that is.
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Annus Mirabilis. Join all the dots. Not a good image.
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Originally posted by BlackKnight BlackKnight wrote:

Waller got a fine because staff injected the wrong horse before the Metrop. Lucky he trained the second horse too so no real damage done.

The lesson in NSW seems to be have too many horses and too many staff and there's always someone readily available to blame. Cop a wet lettuce leaf to the wrist, move on.

The staff member that apparently (?) injected the wrong horse has been in the industry around 30 years and would not make that mistake and the horse injected has a massive white blaze (not easily confused)!



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