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Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Robert Hickmott and Henry Dwyer have as far as I know, good names. They should stay well away from Aquanita.



Spot on
Same with Nick Ryan
 
Not correct.
Dwyer has been rubbed out for tubing.
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Originally posted by Bi Carb Bi Carb wrote:

Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Robert Hickmott and Henry Dwyer have as far as I know, good names. They should stay well away from Aquanita.



Spot on
Same with Nick Ryan
 
Not correct.
Dwyer has been rubbed out for tubing.
So they are replacing cheats with cheats OuchConfused
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Originally posted by Einstein Einstein wrote:

Originally posted by Bi Carb Bi Carb wrote:

Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Robert Hickmott and Henry Dwyer have as far as I know, good names. They should stay well away from Aquanita.



Spot on
Same with Nick Ryan
 
Not correct.
Dwyer has been rubbed out for tubing.
So they are replacing cheats with cheats OuchConfused
 
July 2010
You can google it.
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Directors if Aquanita should be thoroughly investigated too Surely they knew and benefited?
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Originally posted by adolphus twirk adolphus twirk wrote:

Directors if Aquanita should be thoroughly investigated too Surely they knew and benefited?
 
Huge punters.
But they have released the statement saying they are all about upholding the integrity of racing , so its all good.
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Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

Read somewhere Lloyds new " front man" worked there also some time back, haven't heard confirmation though fwiw.
 
Can 110% back this up.
 
Newspaper articles pre-Xmas spoke to him being at LLoyd's for six years.
 
I remember he was definitely at Smerdon's when Mosheen was running around. 
 
A quick Google search affirms this ---->
 
"He spent two years as Head Foreman for Robert Smerdon, where he oversaw four-time G1 winning filly Mosheen."
 
 
 
 
You'd think the phrase Head Foreman for Robert Smerdon may have people casting more than a cursory glance his way...
 
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Originally posted by HarmersHaven HarmersHaven wrote:

Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

Read somewhere Lloyds new " front man" worked there also some time back, haven't heard confirmation though fwiw.

 
Can 110% back this up.
 
Newspaper articles pre-Xmas spoke to him being at LLoyd's for six years.
 
I remember he was definitely at Smerdon's when Mosheen was running around. 
 
A quick Google search affirms this ---->
 
"He spent two years as Head Foreman for Robert Smerdon, where he oversaw four-time G1 winning filly Mosheen."
 
 
 
 
You'd think the phrase Head Foreman for Robert Smerdon may have people casting more than a cursory glance his way...
 

So they have all been pissing in the one pot!
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Originally posted by Bi Carb Bi Carb wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Robert Hickmott and Henry Dwyer have as far as I know, good names. They should stay well away from Aquanita.


 
Henry Dwyer got suspended just when he started training for tubing one.
He was working for Smerdon at the time as a young bloke.
 
Fact.

Go figure!
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Originally posted by monty1 monty1 wrote:

Originally posted by Bi Carb Bi Carb wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Robert Hickmott and Henry Dwyer have as far as I know, good names. They should stay well away from Aquanita.


 
Henry Dwyer got suspended just when he started training for tubing one.
He was working for Smerdon at the time as a young bloke.
 
Fact.

Go figure!


So he had a bad influence ?

I am willing to forgive.



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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by monty1 monty1 wrote:

Originally posted by Bi Carb Bi Carb wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Robert Hickmott and Henry Dwyer have as far as I know, good names. They should stay well away from Aquanita.


 
Henry Dwyer got suspended just when he started training for tubing one.
He was working for Smerdon at the time as a young bloke.
 
Fact.

Go figure!


So he had a bad influence ?

I am willing to forgive.

 
Well , there you go.
Forgiving cheats now.
He may have woken up one morning and said to himself 'I wont cheat anymore'.
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Aquanita - Where owners and horses come first

www.aquanita.com.au/
Aquanita Racing is one of Australia's largest racing operations, with 5 trainers over 3 locations, providing 'A Better Way' to experience the Sport of Kings.
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From everyone at Aquanita, we would like to wish all our fabulous owners a very Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year. Thanks for all the support during 2017 and we look forwrd to a bigger and better 2018!
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Best of all most of these services are undertaken by Aquanita staff either as employees or authorised contractors. These services are controlled by us which promotes a higher level of quality as the staff involved are accountable to us.
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DAMNING veterinary evidence based on a photograph taken by a steward has cost Ballarat/Caulfield trainer Robert Smerdon $10,000.

Stewards found Smerdon guilty yesterday of negligence in allowing the horse Shewan to be treated on the day it was due to race.

The charge against Smerdon arose from a raid on his Caulfield stables on October 20, in which stewards found blood seeping from a puncture wound on Shewan’s neck.

Photographs of the wound tendered to the inquiry showed a 50mm trail of blood on the horse’s neck, which Smerdon said was the result of permitted treatment the horse received the previous day.

But Racing Victoria vet Dr Brian Stewart, who did not examine Shewan on the day, said it would be “almost impossible” for such seepage of blood from a healthy horse.

“It is extra, extra unlikely, almost impossible, unless the horse is affected by a coagulation defect,” Dr Stewart said.

“I can’t imagine a situation in a healthy horse where there is that amount of seepage.

“It is quite clear the blood was fresh.

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Tony Vasil became the latest trainer to receive a penalty for treating a horse on raceday when stewards fined him $10,000 for the offence at an inquiry on Monday.

Ricky Maund and Vasil's Aquanita Racing colleague Robert Smerdon both received the same sanction in recent hearings into similar offences.

Vasil pleaded not guilty to a breach of AR178 after stewards alleged the stable treated Classic Elle with an injection of "Diurex and/or other unknown substances" on the same day as her intended race at Moonee Valley on January 25.

The Racing Victoria's Compliance Assurance Team inspected Classic Elle in a routine visit to Vasil's stable, finding the mare had a small amount of blood on her neck.

Vasil told the hearing Classic Elle may have made contact with some loose mesh wire in her stall. Racing Victoria vet Dr. Brian Stewart conceded such a theory was possible but declared it was unlikely to have occurred, especially as the mark was over a vein.

Stewards rejected Vasil's evidence before handing down their verdict. Vasil is considering an appeal.
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Currently stewards are probing the performance of Baron Archer who was defeated at Echuca in March after being heavily laid on Betfair.

Stewards immediately launched an investigation into the $260,000 invested with the betting exchange eclipsing by far the holdings on any other race.

"We are still continuing to take evidence and as far as Baron Archer is concerned we are still looking into every aspect of what happened at Echuca," Bailey said.

The account used to bet against Baron Archer was in the name of Tania Hyett who is the partner of Nikolic.

Stewards are wondering how Hyett managed to invest so much money through this Betfair account with an income from an administration job with Aquanita Racing her only source of income.

Stewards have already investigated Hyett and will continue to take evidence, however at the time of the bets she was employed by a racing stable and is prevented from laying horses.

The fall-out from the Baron Archer case continued last Friday when Jason Warren, the trainer of the horse, received a $17,500 fine after he pleaded guilty to intentionally failing to report that the horse underwent throat surgery and then making a false or misleading statement during an inquiry.

Bailey confirmed that Warren's involvement in the Baron Archer investigation was now over.
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They need to re-invent themselves

How about "VAMPIRE RACING"
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Originally posted by RED HUNTER RED HUNTER wrote:

They need to re-invent themselves

How about "VAMPIRE RACING"
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Just have a read of the first line on their website in the About Us section:

Aquanita is one of Australia's largest Throguhbred Racing stables that operations fundamentally a co-operative under the Aquanita umbrella with two distinct areas of operation.

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Originally posted by Bi Carb Bi Carb wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by monty1 monty1 wrote:

Originally posted by Bi Carb Bi Carb wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Robert Hickmott and Henry Dwyer have as far as I know, good names. They should stay well away from Aquanita.


 
Henry Dwyer got suspended just when he started training for tubing one.
He was working for Smerdon at the time as a young bloke.
 
Fact.

Go figure!


So he had a bad influence ?

I am willing to forgive.


 
Well , there you go.
Forgiving cheats now.
He may have woken up one morning and said to himself 'I wont cheat anymore'.


Is he fundamentally a cheat ?



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Does he weigh more than a duck ?
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Originally posted by RED HUNTER RED HUNTER wrote:

<span style="color: rgb56, 56, 56; font-family: " Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Best of all most of these services are undertaken by Aquanita staff either as employees or authorised contractors. These services are controlled by us which promotes a higher level of quality as the staff involved are accountable to us.</span>


Great posts Red especially this one!!!
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Media release from Aquanita


“Aquanita trainers Robert Smerdon and Stuart Webb have been considering their position in relation to charges levied against them by Racing Victoria stewards on Tuesday, 9 January.

“After much consideration, being mindful of their responsibilities to staff and owners, and in the broader interests of racing, they have decided to stand down from their training duties at Aquanita and within their respective businesses, effective Monday, 15 January. Staff that have also had charges levied against them are also standing down.

“As well as contacting owners to advise them of this decision, we are in the process of allocating training responsibilities to Rob Hickmott, Henry Dwyer, John Sadler and Nick Ryan. With these multiple Group One winning trainers, we have every confidence the horses trained by Robert and Stuart will receive outstanding training and care.

“As part of the transition, we will provide owners with options and advice regarding the most suitable trainer for their horse, with guidance from Robert and Stuart. The most important point is that every horse will receive outstanding care and training, irrespective of their trainer. We are aiming to have this transition completed by 22 January.

“Those charged are entitled to natural justice, which includes the presumption of innocence. It is for this reason we have decided it is fair and appropriate that they continue to be paid pending the outcome of future hearings or changes in circumstances.

“We have a clear responsibility to owners and staff to give our horses the best possible chance of success on the racetrack, which requires trainers to be fully focussed on preparing horses for racing. Robert and Stuart’s decision allows them to focus on their response to the charges, whilst their horses continue to receive outstanding training.

“The management and care of our owners’ horses continues to be our priority and we appreciate the continued support of all owners during this difficult situation.

It is important to note the distinction between Aquanita Management Services (AMS) and the training side of the operation. AMS provides finance, taxation, OH&S and other administrative services to contracted trainers, who are ultimately personally responsible for the horses in their care and compliance with rules of racing. Going forward, these services will be provided under a new name, with the Aquanita brand to be discontinued.

“We will continue to keep our owners and other stakeholders informed of future developments, especially as it relates to horses and their training.”

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This is why all people associated with runners should be licensed.

Because the authorities do not seem to be able to catch race day treatments, unless it is done under their noses, the trainers involved here, could have said they had no knowledge of what the stable hand or driver of the float was doing and got away with it, or at least just been convicted of presenting a horse, if it was not for the phone records and other evidence. 

As  was mentioned earlier, the float driver was going to take the blame, but his wife stepped in and said that that was not happening.

This is what could be happening in another stable, where the trainer is not the real trainer, and the person who is, is not a licensed person.

Not saying it is happening, but this is why all race day handlers of the runners need to be licensed! If something does happen, then all the licensed people can be punished if needed. 

 
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Both cheats early winners today before their extended holidays.
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Has tha BRC suspended Birchly, if not, why not.?
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A) all horse handlers are licensed, doesn’t stop them taking the rap - why small trainers get done and big trainers employ scapegoats;
B) BRC are just in charge of tracks, you’re looking for RVL or RQL.
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Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

Has tha BRC suspended Birchly, if not, why not.?


He has been issued a show cause notice along with Tony Vasil.
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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

A) all horse handlers are licensed, doesn’t stop them taking the rap - why small trainers get done and big trainers employ scapegoats.

Is there a formal qualification for Scapegoat? Would be an interesting career choice.
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