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Surprised to learn that Victoria doesn't have judge-alone trials, although there is ample evidence that juries can be influenced by media attention in cases like this.
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I think the clue may be in the fact that the charges have not been released. Nobody knows what they are other than they are alleged historic sex crimes by him, but no detail.

They may conduct separate trials for each complaint with a media back-out reporting on individual trials until the final one is complete, so one complaint doesn't contaminate another with the juries. Each jury doesn't know what is going on in the others
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Not like Andrew to factually wrong....oh wait Disapprove 

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Rather tolerate children being buggered than report it to the police. Christianity sure has the moral compass covered.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/aug/15/melbourne-archbishop-says-hed-rather-go-to-jail-than-report-child-abuse-heard-in-confession?CMP=share_btn_link



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If only they had the moral compass of the LGBTQi crowd ...

https://unsafeschools.org/

The Deputy Director of ARCSHS, Prof. Gary Dowsett, is a veteran homosexual activist. In 1982, he authored an article for the journal ‘Gay Information‘ [issue no. 11, pp. 34-38], which was published by a Sydney-based organisation called ‘Gay Information Service’. The article was titled ‘Boiled Lollies and Bandaids: Gay Men and Kids‘ (click here to view the original). Here are some excerpts:

“First, we have three legal/social questions to win: custody rights for gay men and lesbians; the legal right of paedophiles and their young loves; and finally, the sexual rights of children as a whole.”

“And I also have a friend, a paedophile, who is working very hard on making sense out of his relations with boys. Those relations consist of, among other things, a large amount of nurture and support for these boys, a real caring for their welfare and growth.”

“How different then is that gentle, tentative sexuality between parent and child from the love of a paedophile and his/her lover? From all their accounts and from many academic studies (some worse than others), that kind of love, warmth, support and nurture is an important part of the paedophilic relationship.”

“The current paedophilia debate then is crucial to the political processes of the gay movement: paedophiles need our support, and we need to construct the child/adult sex issue on our terms.”

In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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I can't see what objection could be raised to two sisters, or two brothers marrying. After all, it is all above "people who love one another "
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

If only they had the moral compass of the LGBTQi crowd ...

https://unsafeschools.org/

The Deputy Director of ARCSHS, Prof. Gary Dowsett, is a veteran homosexual activist. In 1982, he authored an article for the journal ‘Gay Information‘ [issue no. 11, pp. 34-38], which was published by a Sydney-based organisation called ‘Gay Information Service’. The article was titled ‘Boiled Lollies and Bandaids: Gay Men and Kids‘ (click here to view the original). Here are some excerpts:

“First, we have three legal/social questions to win: custody rights for gay men and lesbians; the legal right of paedophiles and their young loves; and finally, the sexual rights of children as a whole.”

“And I also have a friend, a paedophile, who is working very hard on making sense out of his relations with boys. Those relations consist of, among other things, a large amount of nurture and support for these boys, a real caring for their welfare and growth.”

“How different then is that gentle, tentative sexuality between parent and child from the love of a paedophile and his/her lover? From all their accounts and from many academic studies (some worse than others), that kind of love, warmth, support and nurture is an important part of the paedophilic relationship.”

“The current paedophilia debate then is crucial to the political processes of the gay movement: paedophiles need our support, and we need to construct the child/adult sex issue on our terms.”

So you're good with pedophilia no matter who does it? 
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Already fully covered by the law, if the law is not, or has not, been enforced, that is the fault of those sworn to uphold the law.
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

If only they had the moral compass of the LGBTQi crowd ...

https://unsafeschools.org/

<span style="color: rgb26, 26, 26; font-family: Merriweather, Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px;">The Deputy Director of ARCSHS, Prof. Gary Dowsett, is a veteran homosexual activist. In 1982, he authored an article for the journal ‘</span>Gay Information<span style="color: rgb26, 26, 26; font-family: Merriweather, Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px;">‘ [issue no. 11, pp. 34-38], which was published by a Sydney-based organisation called ‘Gay Information Service’. The article was titled ‘</span><span style="-sizing: inherit; font-weight: 700; color: rgb26, 26, 26; font-family: Merriweather, Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px;">Boiled Lollies and Bandaids: Gay Men and Kids</span><span style="color: rgb26, 26, 26; font-family: Merriweather, Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px;">‘ (click </span>here<span style="color: rgb26, 26, 26; font-family: Merriweather, Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px;"> to view the original). Here are some excerpts:</span>
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<blockquote style="-sizing: inherit; border-width: 0px 0px 0px 4px; border-style: solid; border-color: rgb26, 26, 26; border-: initial; color: rgb104, 104, 104; font-size: 1.1875rem; font-style: italic; line-height: 1.47368; margin: 0px 0px 1.47368em -1.47368em; overflow: ; padding: 0px 0px 0px 1.26316em; quotes: none; font-family: Merriweather, Georgia, serif;"><p style="-sizing: inherit; margin: 0px;">“And I also have a friend, a paedophile, who is working very hard on making sense out of his relations with boys. Those relations consist of, among other things, a large amount of nurture and support for these boys, a real caring for their welfare and growth.”

<blockquote style="-sizing: inherit; border-width: 0px 0px 0px 4px; border-style: solid; border-color: rgb26, 26, 26; border-: initial; color: rgb104, 104, 104; font-size: 1.1875rem; font-style: italic; line-height: 1.47368; margin: 0px 0px 1.47368em -1.47368em; overflow: ; padding: 0px 0px 0px 1.26316em; quotes: none; font-family: Merriweather, Georgia, serif;"><p style="-sizing: inherit; margin: 0px;">“How different then is that gentle, tentative sexuality between parent and child from the love of a paedophile and his/her lover? From all their accounts and from many academic studies (some worse than others), that kind of love, warmth, support and nurture is an important part of the paedophilic relationship.”

<blockquote style="-sizing: inherit; border-width: 0px 0px 0px 4px; border-style: solid; border-color: rgb26, 26, 26; border-: initial; color: rgb104, 104, 104; font-size: 1.1875rem; font-style: italic; line-height: 1.47368; margin: 0px 0px 1.47368em -1.47368em; overflow: ; padding: 0px 0px 0px 1.26316em; quotes: none; font-family: Merriweather, Georgia, serif;"><p style="-sizing: inherit; margin: 0px;">“The current paedophilia debate then is crucial to the political processes of the gay movement: paedophiles need our support, and we need to construct the child/adult sex issue on our terms.”


Are you saying that the Catholic Church should align their standards with the worst of the worst in our society?

if they are doing it, then it's ok for all of us to do it?
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I'm just saying that the Catholic priests and the LGBTQi activists of the "progressive" left, have a lot more in common than you think ... they sing from the same hymn book it would seem!Embarrassed
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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I fully support the notion that the confessional should not be a protection for ANY crime ... we live in a secular society ... I also denounce Islamic ideologies too, in case you weren't paying attention.Wink
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So, Dr E, you have never had knowledge of a crime, and failed to report it ?
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That's not the question max ... the question is, if I was aware of any information about a crime, would I give truthful testimony in court about it, when summoned to do so?

Yes I would, but would a priest?
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

That's not the question max ... the question is, if I was aware of any information about a crime, would I give truthful testimony in court about it, when summoned to do so?

Yes I would, but would a priest?


well a priest cannot, it is a basic principal of Catholicism that confessionals are sacrosanct.

As you know I am very anti organised religion and paedos, but
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that confuses me, because we are not a Catholic State, we are secular, and I thought that you defended that and supported it? ... PT does!
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A minority group claiming special privileged over the majority of the population

I think if we have seal of the Catholic confessional, we should have a seal of the Mosque and the Synagogue......


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Only fair Thumbs Up
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I can't disagree at all.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

A minority group claiming special privileged over the majority of the population

I think if we have seal of the Catholic confessional, we should have a seal of the Mosque and the Synagogue......



They should be dragged into court and thrown into jail if they are withholding evidence against paedos or goodfellas.
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I agree. It is a ridiculous concept and it is only political influence preventing the correct thing being done 
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" Confession, he added, was “perhaps the only opportunity where a person who has offended or a child who has been hurt can have the opportunity for broader advice,” he said. "

So Dennis what is this broader advice you refer to that is of greater importance than reporting criminality to the Police?

Possibly telling the offender to temper his urges because of the increasing damaging rumours and potential for litigious action against the holy church.

Maybe telling the poor boy to apply some form of lubricant pre visitation so they would not get " hurt " as much.

This organisation is seriously twisted and sick!
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Does anyone really think that pedos attend confession?
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Does anyone really think that pedos attend confession?


The Pedos are more likely listening to confessions from those that have been abused Doc.

It's the fornicated up ideology that these wooden boxes are sacred communication vessels with God and your secrets are safe with me Pal that is the issue.
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Agreed, but I wonder if any of them have ever had the front to actually confess to a priest ... I would think most of their "confessions" would consist of bragging amongst their perverted peers ...
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There is no need to confess, the Big Show already knows all. The question is one of remorse and repentance, not admission or confession.
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

There is no need to confess, the Big Show already knows all. The question is one of remorse and repentance, not admission or confession.


Maybe it's my lack of belief in " The Big Show " that makes my attitude somewhat forthright. However if I was that 6yo girl that was driven by my father to Risdale to be knowingly sexually assaulted on a church alter I would rather they confessed ( as Risdale did today alongside 22 other charges ) and rotted in a prison cell together than show me remorse.
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Confession makes no sense, regardless of whether you believe, or not. It might provide some people with a false sense of having unburdened themselves, but the idea that a priest ( who could be a complete rogue) can act to absolve you of guilt, has always seemed absurd to me. No wonder Dave Allen, the late great comedian, made it a staple of his humour.
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A married Irishman went into the confessional and said to his priest,   
'I almost had an affair with another woman.'

The priest said, 'What do you mean, almost?'

The Irishman said, 'Well, we got undressed and rubbed together, but then I stopped.'

The priest said, 'Rubbing together is the same as putting it in. You're not to see that woman again.

For your penance, say five Hail Mary's and put £50 in the poor box '

The Irishman left the confessional, said his prayers, and then walked over to the poor box.

He paused for a moment and then started to leave.

The priest, who was watching, quickly ran over to him saying, 'I saw that.You didn't put any money in the poor box!'

The Irishman replied, 'Yeah, but I rubbed the £50 on the box, and according to you, that's the same as putting it in!'
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As a non-catholic the catholic church has always seemed weird to me even compared to other Christian churches. I look at their theatrical costumes, their elaborate rituals, their palaces etc and ask myself what the feck does this have to do with Jesus Christ?

Jesus Christ has nothing to do with the catholic practice of confession.
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A lot of recovering Catholics think the same
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