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CABLE BAY (IRE)Bay colt 2011 
Invincible Spirit
Bay 1997
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968
Admiral's Voyage
Petitioner
1959
1952
4-n
7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979
Sir Ivor
Bay 1965
Sir Gaylord
Attica
1959
1953
2-s
8-g
Courtly Dee
Bay or brown 1968
Never Bend
Tulle
1960
1950
19-b
A4
Rafha
Bay 1987
Kris
Chestnut 1976
Sharpen Up
Chestnut 1969
Atan
Rocchetta
1961
1961
2-f
5-i
Doubly Sure
Bay 1971
Reliance
Soft Angels
1962
1963
16-g
2-o
Eljazzi
Bay 1981
Artaius
Bay 1974
Round Table
Stylish Pattern
1954
1961
2-f
14-c
Border Bounty
Bay 1965
Bounteous
B Flat
1958
1958
14-f
7-a
Rose de France
Bay 2005
Diktat
Brown 1995
Warning
Bay 1985
Known Fact
Bay or brown 1977
In Reality
Tamerett
1964
1962
21-a
2-f
Slightly Dangerous
Bay 1979
Roberto
Where You Lead
1969
1970
12-c
14-f
Arvola
Bay or brown 1990
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge
1961
1975
2-d
5-h
Park Appeal
Bay or brown 1982
Ahonoora
Balidaress
1975
1973
1-m
14-c
Cherokee Rose
Bay 1991
Dancing Brave
Bay 1983
Lyphard
Bay 1969
Northern Dancer
Goofed
1961
1960
2-d
17-b
Navajo Princess
Bay 1974
Drone
Olmec
1966
1966
1-l
3-d
Celtic Assembly
Bay 1981
Secretariat
Chestnut 1970
Bold Ruler
Somethingroyal
1954
1952
8-d
2-s
Welsh Garden
Bay 1973
Welsh Saint
Garden of Eden
1966
1967
9-h
10-c
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer4m x 5m,5m

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Black Caviar breeder confident of pulling off Cable Bay challenge

Martin Stevens speaks to Rick Jamieson about his ambitious plan

By Martin Stevens
   

When it was announced that Cable Bay, coming to the end of covering his second book of mares at Highclere Stud, would shuttle to Australia from this year it might have been assumed that the identity of his sire, Invincible Spirit, was the overriding reason he was in demand down under. Another son, I Am Invincible, ranks as one of the most exciting young stallions there, after all.

Or perhaps it was the fact his granddam, Haydock Sprint Cup heroine Cherokee Rose, was a half-sister to Volksraad, a multiple champion sire in New Zealand; or his good looks, which have enticed breeders to send him 152 mares in his first British book and around 130 in his second; or even his admirable race record, which included a runner-up effort in the Dewhurst Stakes at two and a victory in the Challenge Stakes on his final start at four.

All of those factors may have contributed to the cause of Cable Bay's working holiday at Woodside Park Stud in Victoria, but the main motivation for Rick Jamieson orchestrating the deal to secure the stallion's southern hemisphere breeding rights was in fact deeply hidden elements of his pedigree that the breeder of unbeaten sprint queen Black Caviar has pinpointed.

For Jamieson is an avid analyst of thoroughbred families and, by choosing matings seemingly - the word seemingly is used because the exact details of his method are not disclosed - based on determining influential ancestors and matching them between the sire and dam, he managed to breed five Group 1 winners from only around 54 foals to have raced in the space of six years.

And what makes the achievement all the more impressive is that the sires he has chosen are not necessarily the most fashionable or expensive. Black Caviar's sire Bel Esprit is a solid source of talent but has never reached the heights of a Redoute's Choice or Encosta De Lago, while this season's Caulfield Cup heroine Jameka, one of the latest star graduates of Jamieson's Gilgai Farm, was bred from the unpretentious Myboycharlie.

“Look, I know there's a lot of luck involved, I'm not stupid, but those winners were from modestly bred mares and I was not afraid to go to less commercial stallions as long as they fitted my matrix,” Jamieson said at last week's Magic Millions National Broodmare Sale on the Gold Coast, where he and his agents were busy sourcing mares for Cable Bay. “Breeding and planning matings is my hobby, and it's worked out extraordinarily well.”

Now Jamieson has set himself the reverse challenge of finding his own stallion and testing whether an impressive strike-rate of winners to runners can be achieved if correctly matched mares are sent to him.

“I wondered for some time whether the same theories I used for mating my mares could apply to a sire,” he said. “My friend Peter Anastasiou [the breeder of Cloth Of Stars] pushed me into turning it into reality. He looked for a stallion, starting in Australia then stretching out and looking in the UK.

“Peter suggested some stallions to see if they had what I looked for and one of them was Cable Bay. The more I peeled back the pedigree, the more comfort I took that we could match mares to this horse.

“So we got him out here and the mission is to turn him into a stallion with double-digit stakes winners to runners. A good horse in Australia might get six to seven per cent; to get over ten per cent is exceptional, then you've got a serious horse.

“It's a bit of a personal challenge, to correctly mate mares to him. I'm pretty confident I'll do it.”

The team that joined Jamieson to import Cable Bay to Australia includes Woodside Park Stud, Grand Lodge and B2B Bloodstock. The partners will be sending around 50 mares who correctly match with the sire, and 12 lots were purchased at Magic Millions by Dermot Farrington and Damon Gabbedy's Belmont Bloodstock for that purpose. They included Miss Cover Girl, a Group 1-winning daughter of Monashee Mountain, for A$500,000 (£296,000/€337,000).

Jamieson did not reveal what criteria those mares filled, saying only his method was “too difficult to explain” but that he looks for “a lot of things – synergies and multiples”.

He dropped one clue by adding that Dancing Brave is “dynamite” in a pedigree due to the influence of that brilliant horse's sire Lyphard and damsire Drone. Dancing Brave was the sire of Cherokee Rose who, remember, is the maternal granddam of Cable Bay.

So there you have it: the key selling point for Jamieson in the acquisition of southern-hemisphere breeding rights in Cable Bay was not necessarily his sire-line, his racing performance or quality of his first foals, as strong as any of those claims may be. Rather, it appears it might have been ancestors in his third and fourth generations and deeper pedigree analysis that clinched the deal.

Cynics would do well to remember the breeder of Black Caviar's phenomenal strike-rate of nine per cent Group 1 winners to runners.

He might just know what he's talking about.


Group 1 winners bred by Rick Jamieson

Black Caviar
Bel Esprit-Helsinge (Desert Sun)
The sprint queen, a daughter of inexpensive sire Bel Esprit, retired undefeated in 25 starts, 15 of them at the highest level including a memorable raid on Royal Ascot that just came off when jockey Luke Nolen stopped riding near the finish of the Diamond Jubilee Stakes.

All Too Hard
Casino Prince-Helsinge (Desert Sun)
By some margin the best horse by his sire, this half-brother to Black Caviar was beaten by Pierro in Group 1 company at two but gained revenge at three when he defeated his old foe to win the Caulfield Guineas before also taking the Orr Stakes, Futurity Stakes and All Aged Stakes.

Jameka
Myboycharlie-Mine Game (General Nediym)
The filly by Myboycharlie - a sire who punches well above his lowly covering fee - is rated comfortably within the top 20 of the Longines World's Best Racehorse Rankings after taking this season's Caulfield Cup and BMW by wide margins.

The Quarterback
Street Boss-Soorena (Encosta De Lago)
Jamieson took the punt on US Grade 1 winner Street Boss in the first season he shuttled to Australia, at a fee of just A$16,500 – around £9,700 or €11,000 – and was rewarded by breeding The Quarterback, who sprang a surprise by winning the prestigious Newmarket Handicap last year.

Lucky Bubbles
Sebring-Bubble Below (Hussonet)
Jamieson paid a snip more for the nomination to Sebring – A$49,500 (£29,000/€33,000) – but at least he caught the sire on the way up, as he eventually stood for as much as A$77,000. The result was Lucky Bubbles, a new star in Hong Kong sprinting and winner of the Chairman's Sprint Prize last month.



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779 Ch Mare Very Choosy Choisir Pedantic Owners Cable Bay Syndicate VIC $75,000

Duplication of Sharpen Up here, thru' son & daughter with a 3rd strain of his dam Mixed Marriage thru' daughter Tamerett.
Sireline of both is Danzig.
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Unnamed
  
Cable Bay (IRE)
Bay 2011
Invincible Spirit
Bay 1997
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979
Sir Ivor
Courtly Dee
1965
1968
8-g
A4
Rafha
Bay 1987
Kris
Chestnut 1976
Sharpen Up
Doubly Sure
1969
1971
5-i
2-o
Eljazzi
Bay 1981
Artaius
Border Bounty
1974
1965
14-c
7-a
Rose de France
Bay 2005
Diktat
Brown 1995
Warning
Bay 1985
Known Fact
Slightly Dangerous
1977
1979
2-f
14-f
Arvola
Bay or brown 1990
Sadler's Wells
Park Appeal
1981
1982
5-h
14-c
Cherokee Rose
Bay 1991
Dancing Brave
Bay 1983
Lyphard
Navajo Princess
1969
1974
17-b
3-d
Celtic Assembly
Bay 1981
Secretariat
Welsh Garden
1970
1973
2-s
10-c
Very Choosy (AUS)
Chestnut 2012
Choisir
Chestnut 1999
Danehill Dancer
Bay 1993
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Razyana
1977
1981
7-a
2-d
Mira Adonde
Bay or brown 1986
Sharpen Up
Lettre d'Amour
1969
1979
5-i
22-b
Great Selection
Chestnut 1990
Lunchtime
Chestnut 1970
Silly Season
Great Occasion
1962
1965
1-g
7-f
Pensive Mood
Chestnut 1983
Biscay
Staid
1965
1968
2-o
8-f
Pedantic
Chestnut 2002
Peintre Celebre
Chestnut 1994
Nureyev
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Special
1961
1969
2-d
5-h
Peinture Bleue
Chestnut 1987
Alydar
Petroleuse
1975
1978
9-c
9>
Charming Charge
Bay 1995
Rory's Jester
Chestnut 1982
Crown Jester
Rory's Rocket
1978
1973
13-e
1-m
Captivation
Bay 1978
Vain
Mere
1966
1965
A10
1-s
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m x 5m Danzig4m x 5m Sharpen Up5m x 5f


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Scarlet Billows sold yesterday and will be going to this stallion
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Unnamed  
Cable Bay (IRE)
Bay 2011
Invincible Spirit
Bay 1997
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979
Sir Ivor
Courtly Dee
1965
1968
8-g
A4
Rafha
Bay 1987
Kris
Chestnut 1976
Sharpen Up
Doubly Sure
1969
1971
5-i
2-o
Eljazzi
Bay 1981
Artaius
Border Bounty
1974
1965
14-c
7-a
Rose de France
Bay 2005
Diktat
Brown 1995
Warning
Bay 1985
Known Fact
Slightly Dangerous
1977
1979
2-f
14-f
Arvola
Bay or brown 1990
Sadler's Wells
Park Appeal
1981
1982
5-h
14-c
Cherokee Rose
Bay 1991
Dancing Brave
Bay 1983
Lyphard
Navajo Princess
1969
1974
17-b
3-d
Celtic Assembly
Bay 1981
Secretariat
Welsh Garden
1970
1973
2-s
10-c
Scarlet Billows (AUS)
Chestnut 2010
Street Boss
Chestnut 2004
Street Cry
Bay or brown 1998
Machiavellian
Bay or brown 1987
Mr Prospector
Coup de Folie
1970
1982
13-c
2-d
Helen Street
Bay 1982
Troy
Waterway
1976
1976
1-b
1-l
Blushing Ogygian
Chestnut 1994
Ogygian
Bay 1983
Damascus
Gonfalon
1964
1975
8-h
16-a
Fruhlingshochzeit
Bay or brown 1984
Blushing Groom
Fruhlingstag
1974
1975
22-d
1-e
Hushabye Baby
Grey 2004
Hussonet
Chestnut 1991
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Sacahuista
Bay 1984
Raja Baba
Nalees Flying Flag
1968
1975
3-l
9-f
Smytzer's Rivalry
Grey 1996
Made of Gold
Chestnut 1989
Green Forest
Vindaria
1979
1974
8-c
21-a
Contest
Grey 1987
Alibhai
Blue Waltz
1980
1980
13-a
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Unnamed  
Cable Bay (IRE)
Bay 2011
Invincible Spirit
Bay 1997
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979
Sir Ivor
Courtly Dee
1965
1968
8-g
A4
Rafha
Bay 1987
Kris
Chestnut 1976
Sharpen Up
Doubly Sure
1969
1971
5-i
2-o
Eljazzi
Bay 1981
Artaius
Border Bounty
1974
1965
14-c
7-a
Rose de France
Bay 2005
Diktat
Brown 1995
Warning
Bay 1985
Known Fact
Slightly Dangerous
1977
1979
2-f
14-f
Arvola
Bay or brown 1990
Sadler's Wells
Park Appeal
1981
1982
5-h
14-c
Cherokee Rose
Bay 1991
Dancing Brave
Bay 1983
Lyphard
Navajo Princess
1969
1974
17-b
3-d
Celtic Assembly
Bay 1981
Secretariat
Welsh Garden
1970
1973
2-s
10-c
Anaphora (AUS)
Chestnut 2011
Dylan Thomas
Bay 2003
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Lagrion
Chestnut 1989
Diesis
Chestnut 1980
Sharpen Up
Doubly Sure
1969
1971
5-i
2-o
Wrap It Up
Chestnut 1979
Mount Hagen
Doc Nan
1971
1963
1-p
9-c
Power of Love
Chestnut 2002
Bahhare
Bay 1994
Woodman
Chestnut 1983
Mr Prospector
Playmate
1970
1975
13-c
1-s
Wasnah
Bay 1987
Nijinsky
Highest Trump
1967
1972
8-f
13-c
Calm Lover
Grey 1993
Spectacular Love
Chestnut 1982
Spectacular Bid
Gallamar
1976
1967
2-d
8-c
Sooth
Grey 1980
Three Legs
Tara
1972
1975
13-a
7-d
 Ancestor duplications:Danzig4m x 4m Sharpen Up5m x 5m Doubly Sure5m x 5m


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Unnamed  
Cable Bay (IRE)
Bay 2011
Invincible Spirit
Bay 1997
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979
Sir Ivor
Courtly Dee
1965
1968
8-g
A4
Rafha
Bay 1987
Kris
Chestnut 1976
Sharpen Up
Doubly Sure
1969
1971
5-i
2-o
Eljazzi
Bay 1981
Artaius
Border Bounty
1974
1965
14-c
7-a
Rose de France
Bay 2005
Diktat
Brown 1995
Warning
Bay 1985
Known Fact
Slightly Dangerous
1977
1979
2-f
14-f
Arvola
Bay or brown 1990
Sadler's Wells
Park Appeal
1981
1982
5-h
14-c
Cherokee Rose
Bay 1991
Dancing Brave
Bay 1983
Lyphard
Navajo Princess
1969
1974
17-b
3-d
Celtic Assembly
Bay 1981
Secretariat
Welsh Garden
1970
1973
2-s
10-c
Goldsmobile (AUS)
Chestnut 2004
Promontory Gold
Chestnut 1997
Gone West
Bay 1984
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Secrettame
Chestnut 1978
Secretariat
Tamerett
1970
1962
2-s
2-f
Possibly Perfect
Bay 1990
Northern Baby
Bay 1976
Northern Dancer
Two Rings
1961
1970
2-d
17-b
Avasand
Chestnut 1985
Avatar
Sandy Blue
1972
1970
5-g
3-n
Nomadic
Bay 1991
Hula Chief
Bay 1982
Marceau
Bay 1974
Kaoru Star
Humour
1965
1962
31>
16-g
Hula Bend
Bay 1965
Never Bend
Hula Hula
1960
1952
19-b
1-s
Mauritania
Bay 1974
The Brianstan
Bay 1967
King's Leap
Sissi
1959
1953
2-u
13-a
Maurine
Bay 1955
Worden
Muscida
1949
1938
13-c
1-u
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m x 5m Secretariat5f x 5f


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Hello,
the yet unnamed 'Cable Bay' offspring had an interesting connection. Mauritania, the third dam, her Sire is 'The Brianstan', it sounds a bit far fetch, but he traces via 'Fair Emigrant' (reimported to Europe) to the wellknown Australian Taprootmare Juliet.
 
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From perusing the stud book Cable Bay now has near 30 foals on the ground in Oz
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The 4 photos on Breednet look quite good & there are reports of  2 exceptional types on Merrivale farm at Gooram
Can anyone contribute more information
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Sending two to him this year Flowing Habit and Qalanjo

  My reasoning for  Flowing Habit 
 
 Signs of Blessing(Group 1 winner) in her direct family
 Moonlight Cloud (Group 1 winner)   Rainbow Quest and Nijinsky in the female family as does Flowing Habit
 Yosei (Group1 winner) Sunday Silence and Rainbow Quest in female family as does Flowing Habit.
 All are by Invincible Spirit
 
Qalanjo by Xaar meets  a recommended breeding template for Cable Bay.

Can anyone find merit in these selections




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I find it fascinating that all the people who have opinions on this site don't seem to have an opinion on Cable Bay. WHY???
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Rick sorted all applications and for the most part only accepted mares that he considered matched well with the sire.  Didn't think ours matched and that was confirmed following a chat with him.  Mind you he declined to explain his actual reasoning

So only owners who passed his rule of thumb would have foals on the ground, which may have precluded most or all on here.


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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Rick sorted all applications and for the most part only accepted mares that he considered matched well with the sire.  Didn't think ours matched and that was confirmed following a chat with him.  Mind you he declined to explain his actual reasoning

So only owners who passed his rule of thumb would have foals on the ground, which may have precluded most or all on here.




Are they still doing that this year? Picking the mares? What sort of mare did you nominate?
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Mare was a city wining stakes-producer.  However I didn't think she matched welland basically only put her up to see if Rick was fair dinkum about knocking back mares he didn't think were suitable for Cable Bay.
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Thanks SC!
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By the looks of the mares he had accepted he has certainly done some home work.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Glencoe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 2018 at 12:18am
So that still leaves 2 lines of questioning:
 
1) What lines/nicks is Rick J looking for
 
and of more interest
2) What lines/nicks do our forumites think will work
 
e.g. am I right in thinking that mares by Mr P sire sons have worked in Europe  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Second Chance Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 2018 at 9:55am
Just looking at a couple of males.

Invincible Spirit: clearly Mr P, also Sir Gaylord, Lalun, Sadlers, Nijinsky.  Two Gp 1 winning sons, from different female families, have siblings Kris and Diesis in the 3rd remove.

I Am Invincible: notably Zabeel/Sir T, clearly Danehill (surprise, surprise), Mr p again, Marscay, Century, Nureyev.

Don't know if that helps all that much.
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Yeah second chance is right, and he also is duplicating 7 family via Danzig,Bletchingly and Rockefella via Danehill Dancer in Sharpen Up who also brings in the female line of Mixed Marriage.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Glencoe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 12:39am
The interesting challenge with this stallion is 3fold
* what do we think Rick J is looking for
* what do we think might work
 
LOTS of opinions would make for a good discussion
 
* and then to look back in 2-3 years to see if anything worked
as an aside it will be interesting to see how his yearlings are received at the UK sales over the next few weeks
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My contribution is this:
He has a real chance of succeeding because his pedigree is "balanced', with lots of siblings out to 8 generations so he has a wide range of conquests
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Second Chance Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Oct 2018 at 5:34pm
[QUOTE=Glencoe] The interesting challenge with this stallion is 3fold
* what do we think Rick J is looking for
* what do we think might work
 
LOTS of opinions would make for a good discussion
 
* and then to look back in 2-3 years to see if anything worked
as an aside it will be interesting to see how his yearlings are received at the UK sales over the next few weeks  /QUOTE]

Agree Cable Bay has a nicely balanced pedigree.

I reckon Rick's looking to duplicate certain as yet undefined influences.  If he sticks to what's worked for Invincible Spirit then Sharpen Up, Sir Gaylord, Sadler's/Fairy King (read Encosta in particular) come into play.  If it's nicks then perhaps Mr P and Lalun.

If he's taking I Am Invincible into account then he'd surely be looking for the Sir Tristram/Zabeel nick, daughters of Danehill Dancer, Encosta again, and daughters or grand-daughters of Hussonet.

Mind you that might be well off the mark, however fwiw that's the way I'd tend to be thinking.  Smile






9read Encosta in particular)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gay3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Oct 2018 at 6:00pm
I've just watched the racing.com promo on him & to say I'm majorly impressed is an understatement Shocked
He's a most magnificent, well balanced, refined stallion with a head to die for & if the foal examples shown, are anything to go by, whatever Rick's doing is working Heart
I can only find the video on their FB page.
https://www.facebook.com/racingdotcom/videos/2100268566969714/ copy/paste.


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Had the mares and foals on Bred to Win the other night, they look strong and healthy with some of them having unusual markings around the muzzle area, a good watch fwiw.
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He is related to Volksraad via sire line and tail female line. Volksraad didn't set the world on fire but did OK and seems to be doing Ok as a broodmare sire. 

With the relation to Volksraad I wonder what lessons could be learned to improve the stats of Cable Bay.
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