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    Posted: 23 Oct 2013 at 9:52am
Thought I would start a thread for those of us who like to identify potential stayers on their breeding.  Particularly horses likely to improve when they step up in distance.
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Pendolin.  By Pentire out of a Zabeel mare.  Full sister to Pergola who won over 3000m.  Last start winner over 1400m at Warwick Farm.
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TEAR GAS (NZ) [2010] 3yo b f 12/11/2010
High Chaparral (IRE) - Irlanda (NZ) (O'reilly (NZ)) Pedigree
 
High Chap x an O'reilly mare, her dam though was better over the shorter trips which should make up for the dourness of some O'Reilly's.
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Originally posted by Group 1 Selections Group 1 Selections wrote:

TEAR GAS (NZ) [2010] 3yo b f 12/11/2010
High Chaparral (IRE) - Irlanda (NZ) (O'reilly (NZ)) Pedigree
 
High Chap x an O'reilly mare, her dam though was better over the shorter trips which should make up for the dourness of some O'Reilly's.
 
Absolutely should stay!  Even Centaine and Imposing on the dam's side are not sprinting sires.
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Originally posted by Hot2Trot Hot2Trot wrote:

Pendolin.  By Pentire out of a Zabeel mare.  Full sister to Pergola who won over 3000m.  Last start winner over 1400m at Warwick Farm.
 
Racing in 1400m mares at Rosehill.  Might be on the short side, but she can sprint home strongly.
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Interestingly, of Imposing, Centaine, Zabeel and O'Rielly none of them where stayers. A mile was where they won their big races.




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Yes it is interesting.  They obviously carry staying blood though.  Just a thought, but perhaps that's a good ingredient for a sire - to have staying blood but excel at a mile.
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Yeah, O'Reilly was a sprinter-miler yet he's sired many 2000m+ horses.  Now has a reputation as a staying sire.  

Pentire most definitely a stayer and sire of such, yet he's produces some top class horses who struggle beyond a mile like King Mufhasa and Rangirangdoo.

Of course we should never forget that the sire is only half the pedigree.
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Originally posted by Group 1 Selections Group 1 Selections wrote:

TEAR GAS (NZ) [2010] 3yo b f 12/11/2010
High Chaparral (IRE) - Irlanda (NZ) (O'reilly (NZ)) Pedigree
 
High Chap x an O'reilly mare, her dam though was better over the shorter trips which should make up for the dourness of some O'Reilly's.
 
I checked her out for the Oaks a week ago, wasn't really sure if she seemed mature enough yet but pedigree is decent (pasted below from NZB)
 
Couple of points-
 
Irlanda was basically a 1200-1600m filly/mare but still ran 4th of 16th in the 2000m Group 2 Sir Tristram Fillies Classic-the two dominant fillies of that crop Veloce Bella and Princess Coup ran 1/2.  She had also run 3rd to those two in Group 2 Eight Carat Classic over 1600m.
 
3rd dam Seraphic was a consistent open class performer who ran 6th of 16 to Castletown in a 3200m Auckland Cup, 11 days after running in a 1600m race as her leadup.  She ran against many Group 1 winners through her career, including a 2nd to Surfers Paradise in a G1 2000m 8 months before he won a Cox Plate.
 

1st dam

IRLANDA, by O'Reilly. 6 wins from 1200m to 1600m, NZ$300,125, Counties RC Auckland Thoroughbred Breeders' S., Gr.2, Manawatu RC Eulogy S., Gr.3, Rotorua RC Lion Red P., L, Hawke's Bay Bay Ford H., 2d Te Aroha JC New Zealand Thoroughbred Breeders' S., Gr.1, ARC Westbury Classic, Hawke's Bay DHL Global H., BOP RC Ultimate Motor Group Ford 3YO H., 3d ARC Eight Carat Classic, Gr.2, 4th Waikato RC Sir Tristram Fillies Classic, Gr.2. Half-sister to Go Our Kingi - Maverick Star(H.K.). This is her second foal. Her first foal is a 2YO.

2nd dam

CENPHIC, by Centaine. Winner at 1000m in Aust. Dam of 7 named foals, all raced, 5 winners, inc:-

IRLANDA(O'Reilly). 6 wins. See above.

Go Our Kingi - Maverick Star(H.K.) (Desert King). 4 wins from 1300m to 1600m, NZ$11,625, HK$4,239,750, M$299,000, Marton JC Rural Bulk Spreaders 3YO S., Hong Kong Racehorse Owners Association Trophy H., HKJC Kiu Tsui H., 2d Hong Kong Jockey Club Community Trophy, 3d Macau Hong Kong Trophy, L, 4th WRC Wellington S., Gr.3.

Cristal Magnum. 2 wins at 1200m, 1400m to 2010-11, HKJC Pyramid Hill H., Kut Cheong H., 2d HKJC Chengdu H.

Ottumwa. 3 wins from 1550m to 1750m, 2d WATC Puntathon H.

3rd dam

SERAPHIC, by Imposing. 8 wins from 1600m to 2200m, NZ$141,260, Rotorua Challenge S., Gr.3, 2d ARC Air New Zealand S., Gr.1, Waikato RC International S., Gr.2, ARC Trainers' Championship S., Gr.3, Manawatu Challenge S., L, Canterbury Breeders' S.H., L, 4th Waikato RC International S., Gr.1, Wairarapa Thoroughbred Breeders' S., L. Half-sister to QUEEN OF KIWI, Sekula Pata, Quiescent (dam of BIRD, HAPPY GILMOUR - SMOOTH SAILING(Mal.)). Dam of 10 foals, 8 to race, 6 winners, inc:-

Tornadic Sky. 8 wins to 1200m, A$189,150, QTC Tooheys New H, BTC Play Poker for Free H., Greenback RSL Hero's H., Ipswich TC Ray White P.

Deep Purple. Winner at 2200m, HKJC Po Shek Wu H., 2d HKJC Hyderabad H.

4th dam

TORQUAY, by Wharf. 4 wins from 1200m to 2400m, Great Northern Oaks, Gr.2, Manawatu Breeders' S., Gr.3, Masterton RC Members' H., 3d Manawatu Cup, Gr.3, WRC Telfords H., 4th Manawatu RC Royal Hong Kong Jockey Club H., L. Blood-sister to Onshore (dam of SIR DANIEL), half-sister to (Our) Sacrosanct, Pearl Dragon (dam of SPRING RAIN). Dam of 13 named foals, all raced, 9 winners, inc:-

SERAPHIC(Imposing). 8 wins. See above.

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Not getting excited by Tear Gas.  I would have liked her to have shown more ability in those short maidens.
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Originally posted by Hot2Trot Hot2Trot wrote:

Not getting excited by Tear Gas.  I would have liked her to have shown more ability in those short maidens.
 
I wasn't either until I saw her work and what she beat in her fast work with the rider not moving a muscle Wink
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Scamanda tells me, Long John.   Out of... THE PUB ..By ...TEN O'CLOCK.
That's Shocking breeding.
       
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Pendolin was blocked for a run on Saturday and should probably have won, especially considering the leader bias.  Look for improvement when she steps up in distance.
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May's Dream, the VRC Oaks favourite is definitely bred to stay.  Her sire New Approach (by staying sire Galileo) won the 2008 Epsom Derby, and in England has already sired the winner of the Epsom Oaks, Talent.  In Australia, New Approach's oldest progeny are only 3yos, but he already has a staying winner in Gamblin Guru (Geelong Derby Trial).  May's Dream's dam is She's Archie, who ran second to Makybe Diva in the 2003 Melbourne Cup.  She's Archie no doubt inherited her stoutness from sire Archway and grandsire Almaarad.  There is very little doubt May's Dream will stay the VRC Oaks distance, and may even be a Melbourne Cup chance next year.
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Dawn Approach is an out and out miler..
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Possibly because his dam Hymn of the Dawn is predominantly bred along sprinting lines.
It's hard to soar with eagles...

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Originally posted by Run For Fun Run For Fun wrote:

Possibly because his dam Hymn of the Dawn is predominantly bred along sprinting lines.


Didn't stop the experts from running him in the Derby as fav...
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Hawkspur?
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Watch Sevva Nights in the opener at Moonee Valley tonight.

This horse is bred to stay and stay all-night.

Watch him chasing and busting a gut trying to keep up. This is the thing that annoys me about Australian trainers.

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SEVVA NIGHTS G, 2010 DP = 0-1-5-0-0 (6) DI = 1.40   CD = 0.17
SAVABEEL (AUS)
br. 2001
ZABEEL (NZ)
b. 1986
SIR TRISTRAM (IRE)
b. 1971
SIR IVOR (USA)
b. 1965 [IC]
SIR GAYLORD (USA)b. 1959 [IC]
ATTICA (USA)ch. 1953 *
ISOLT (USA)
b. 1961
ROUND TABLE (USA)b. 1954 [S]
ALL MY EYE (GB)ch. 1954
LADY GISELLE (FR)
b. 1982
NUREYEV (USA)
b. 1977 [C]
NORTHERN DANCER (CAN)b. 1961 [BC]
SPECIAL (USA)b. 1969 *
VALDERNA (FR)
b. 1972
VAL DE LOIR (FR)b. 1959
DERNA (FR)b. 1961
SAVANNAH SUCCESS (AUS)
br. 1995
SUCCESS EXPRESS (USA)
b. 1985
HOLD YOUR PEACE (USA)
b. 1969
SPEAK JOHN (USA)b. 1958 [BI]
BLUE MOON (USA)b. 1948
AU PRINTEMPS (USA)
b. 1979
DANCING CHAMP (USA)b. 1972
LORGNETTE (IRE)ch. 1964
ALMA MATER (AUS)
br. 1988
SEMIPALATINSK (USA)
b. 1978
NODOUBLE (USA)ch. 1965 [CP]
SCHOOL BOARD (USA)b. 1968
SWEETIE (AUS)
br. 1981
WITHOUT FEAR (FR)b. 1967
VIRGINIA (AUS)br. 1972
CLERMONT ROSE (NZ)
b. 1991
SOUND REASON (CAN)
br. 1974
BOLD REASON (USA)
b. 1968
HAIL TO REASON (USA)
br. 1958 [C]
TURN-TO (USA)b. 1951 [BI]
NOTHIRDCHANCE (USA)b. 1948
LALUN (USA)*
b. 1952
DJEDDAH (FR)ch. 1945
BE FAITHFUL (USA)br. 1942 *
NEW TUNE (CAN)
b. 1968
NEW PROVIDENCE (CAN)
b. 1956
BULL PAGE (USA)b. 1947
FAIR COLLEEN (GB)ch. 1950
SONG OF VICTORY (CAN)
b. 1962
VICTORIA PARK (CAN)b. 1957
EVENSONG (GB)dkb/br. 1950
CLERMONT LASS (NZ)
br. 1986
CENTAINE (AUS)
br. 1980
CENTURY (AUS)
br. 1969
BETTER BOY (IRE)b. 1951
ROYAL SUITE (AUS)br. 1960
RAINBEAM (AUS)
b. 1973
VAIN (AUS)ch. 1966
RAIN SHADOW (AUS)blk. 1967
BOURBON LASS (NZ)
b. 1963
BOURBON PRINCE (USA)
b. 1957
PRINCEQUILLO (IRE)b. 1940 [IS]
LYCEUM (USA)b. 1948
KILT (NZ)
b. 1956
FAUX TIRAGE (GB)b. 1946
HAIDIE (NZ)ch. 1946


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You would think djebel, with Savabeel, Sound Reason and Centaine.  Maybe not though.  The dam Clermont Rose has had five to race.  Four were so slow they failed to earn any prizemoney.  The other one was a horse called Aspinal (by Pins) who won twice at 1200m and once at 1300m.
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Well for mine he's a miler/middle distance type on pedigree.  But then again underestimate the Zabeel/Sir T element at your very own risk.
It's hard to soar with eagles...

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Originally posted by Run For Fun Run For Fun wrote:

Well for mine he's a miler/middle distance type on pedigree.  But then again underestimate the Zabeel/Sir T element at your very own risk.
 
I wonder if you're thinking miler because of Sound Reason.  From memory he was a miler.  However at stud he's thrown quite a few stayers, including Senator winner of the 1996 Auckland Cup.
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That Last Tycoon, sire of O’Reilly, ran mainly at 5f, and 6f, in Europe.  When he ran in the Breeders’ Cup Mile, that was one of the strongest feelings bettingwise I’ve ever had.  His damsire was Mill Reef, who needs no introduction.  Lower down in the pedigree is Sayavirao, who won the St Leger.

Last Tycoon’s average winning distance of his 3yo+ progeny is 9.5 furlongs.

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lol, coincidence.  The winner of the 2500m h'cap at MV just now has Savabeel as sire and Last Tycoon as damsire.

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Originally posted by Gerald Gerald wrote:

That Last Tycoon, sire of O’Reilly, ran mainly at 5f, and 6f, in Europe.  When he ran in the Breeders’ Cup Mile, that was one of the strongest feelings bettingwise I’ve ever had.  His damsire was Mill Reef, who needs no introduction.  Lower down in the pedigree is Sayavirao, who won the St Leger.

Last Tycoon’s average winning distance of his 3yo+ progeny is 9.5 furlongs.


Last Tycoon is a little like Oasis Dream in my book. Both sprinters both with slightly more dour pedigrees than the typical sprinter.

LAST TYCOON (IRE)Bay or brown colt 1983 
Try My Best
Bay 1975
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Brown 1954
Nearco
Brown 1935
Pharos
Nogara
1920
1928
13-e
4-r
Lady Angela
Chestnut 1944
Hyperion
Sister Sarah
1930
1930
6-e
14-c
Natalma
Bay 1957
Native Dancer
Grey 1950
Polynesian
Geisha
1942
1943
14-a
5-f
Almahmoud
Chestnut 1947
Mahmoud
Arbitrator
1933
1937
9-c
2-d
Sex Appeal
Chestnut 1970
Buckpasser
Bay 1963
Tom Fool
Bay 1949
Menow
Gaga
1935
1942
8-g
3-j
Busanda
Black 1947
War Admiral
Businesslike
1934
1939
11-g
1-s
Best in Show
Chestnut 1965
Traffic Judge
Chestnut 1952
Alibhai
Traffic Court
1938
1938
6-d
3-n
Stolen Hour
Chestnut 1953
Mr Busher
Late Date
1946
1929
1-s
8-f
Mill Princess
Bay 1977
Mill Reef
Bay 1968
Never Bend
Bay 1960
Nasrullah
Bay 1940
Nearco
Mumtaz Begum
1935
1932
4-r
9-c
Lalun
Bay 1952
Djeddah
Be Faithful
1945
1942
13-c
19-b
Milan Mill
Bay 1962
Princequillo
Bay 1940
Prince Rose
Cosquilla
1928
1933
10-c
1-b
Virginia Water
Grey 1953
Count Fleet
Red Ray
1940
1947
6-a
22-d
Irish Lass
Bay 1962
Sayajirao
Brown 1944
Nearco
Brown 1935
Pharos
Nogara
1920
1928
13-e
4-r
Rosy Legend
Brown 1931
Dark Legend
Rosy Cheeks
1914
1919
9-e
3-n
Scollata
Bay 1952
Niccolo Dell'Arca
Bay 1938
Coronach
Nogara
1923
1928
4-f
4-r
Cutaway
Bay 1943
Fairway
Schiaparelli
1925
1935
13-e
8-c
 Ancestor duplications:Nearco4m x 5m,4m Nogara5m x 5m,5m    


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And both are quality sires with quality representatives over vast distance range.

OASIS DREAM (GB)Bay colt 2000 
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Brown 1954
Nearco
Lady Angela
1935
1944
4-r
14-c
Natalma
Bay 1957
Native Dancer
Almahmoud
1950
1947
5-f
2-d
Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968
Admiral's Voyage
Bay or brown 1959
Crafty Admiral
Olympia Lou
1948
1952
8-c
4-n
Petitioner
Bay 1952
Petition
Steady Aim
1944
1943
16-h
7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979
Sir Ivor
Bay 1965
Sir Gaylord
Bay 1959
Turn-To
Somethingroyal
1951
1952
1-w
2-s
Attica
Chestnut 1953
Mr Trouble
Athenia
1947
1943
13-b
8-g
Courtly Dee
Bay or brown 1968
Never Bend
Bay 1960
Nasrullah
Lalun
1940
1952
9-c
19-b
Tulle
Bay or brown 1950
War Admiral
Judy-Rae
1934
1944
11-g
A4
Hope
Bay 1991
Dancing Brave
Bay 1983
Lyphard
Bay 1969
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Goofed
Chestnut 1960
Court Martial
Barra
1942
1950
1-p
17-b
Navajo Princess
Bay 1974
Drone
Grey 1966
Sir Gaylord
Cap and Bells
1959
1958
2-s
1-l
Olmec
Chestnut 1966
Pago Pago
Chocolate Beau
1960
1958
1-o
3-d
Bahamian
Chestnut 1985
Mill Reef
Bay 1968
Never Bend
Bay 1960
Nasrullah
Lalun
1940
1952
9-c
19-b
Milan Mill
Bay 1962
Princequillo
Virginia Water
1940
1953
1-b
22-d
Sorbus
Bay 1975
Busted
Bay 1963
Crepello
Sans le Sou
1954
1957
16-d
2-s
Censorship
Chestnut 1969
Prince John
Sixpence
1953
1951
14-f
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 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer3m x 4m Sir Gaylord4m x 5m Never Bend4f x 4m 


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reductio ad absurdum

The richest man is not he who has the most, but he who needs the least.

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I'm amused by Green Desert and Dancing Brave being in the same pedigree, as Dancing Brave prevented Green Desert from winning the 2000 Guineas.

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Than we have -

THIAMANDI (AUS)Chestnut filly 2010 
Street Boss
Chestnut 2004
Street Cry
Bay or brown 1998
Machiavellian
Bay or brown 1987
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Coup de Folie
Bay 1982
Halo
Raise the Standard
1969
1978
2-d
2-d
Helen Street
Bay 1982
Troy
Bay 1976
Petingo
La Milo
1965
1963
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1-b
Waterway
Chestnut 1976
Riverman
Boulevard
1969
1968
10-a
1-l
Blushing Ogygian
Chestnut 1994
Ogygian
Bay 1983
Damascus
Bay 1964
Sword Dancer
Kerala
1956
1958
1-o
8-h
Gonfalon
Chestnut 1975
Francis S
Grand Splendor
1957
1962
1-s
16-a
Fruhlingshochzeit
Bay or brown 1984
Blushing Groom
Chestnut 1974
Red God
Runaway Bride
1954
1962
8-c
22-d
Fruhlingstag
Bay 1975
Orsini
Revada
1954
1966
14-f
1-e
Country Class
Chestnut 1999
Woodborough
Chestnut 1993
Woodman
Chestnut 1983
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Playmate
Chestnut 1975
Buckpasser
Intriguing
1963
1964
1-s
1-s
Performing Arts
Chestnut 1987
The Minstrel
Chestnut 1974
Northern Dancer
Fleur
1961
1964
2-d
8-f
Noble Mark
Chestnut 1971
On Your Mark
Noble Joan
1964
1963
1-l
13-e
Malahide
Chestnut 1987
Kings Island
Chestnut 1981
Persian Bold
Bay 1975
Bold Lad
Relkarunner
1964
1968
2-e
9-h
Gerardmer
Chestnut 1975
Brigadier Gerard
Hants
1968
1968
14-c
2-i
Hasty Miss
Chestnut 1969
Hasty Cloud
Bay 1958
Preciptic
Clouette
1942
1947
2-e
4-p
Miss Mittens
Chestnut 1957
Jekyll
Mittie
1951
1933
2-i
14-e
 Ancestor duplications:Mr Prospector4m x 4m       


STRIKE WHILST THE IRON IS HOT

reductio ad absurdum

The richest man is not he who has the most, but he who needs the least.

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