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    Posted: 19 Jan 2017 at 6:21am
How do they beat him this week? Ben Allen gets a nice claim and has ridden him well previously, the step up in trip is only a positive. I guess the only question is will he get around the valley ok?

Opened $2.4 at a few places and has been a small move into $2.2.

Of $80,000.1st $44,000, 2nd $14,400, 3rd $7,200, 4th $4,000, 5th $2,400, 6th $1,600, 7th $1,600, 8th $1,600, 9th $1,600, 10th $1,600
BenchMark 78, Handicap, Minimum Weight 54kg, Apprentices can claim.

Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 4

Field Limit: 14 + 4 EM

No Last 10 Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight Penalty Hcp Rating
1 213x922652 COOL CHAP Lee & Anthony Freedman
10 63kg
84
2 98431313x0 HURSLEY (NZ) Chris Waller Craig Williams 11 60kg
78
3 x931221232 SHIKARPOUR (IRE) Darren Weir Beau Mertens (a2) 2 60kg
78
4 x341214P5x VALEDICTION (NZ) Gai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott Jamie Mott 4 59kg
76
5 872x31x006 CARLO BUGATTI (IRE) Robert Hickmott Jack Martin (a3) 6 58.5kg
75
6 323x1x421 BIG DUKE (IRE) Darren Weir Ben Allen (a2) 8 58kg
74
7 2295x98201 USE THE LOT Tim Hughes Jye McNeil 3 57.5kg
73
8 6x9540x008 POST D'FRANCE (NZ) Stephen Brown Luke Nolen 7 57kg
72
9 511x0x SHERLOCK HOLMES (IRE) Robert Hickmott Ben Melham 9 56.5kg
71
10 8x1x853412 CREDITON (NZ) Leon & Troy Corstens
5 54kg
66
11 586x1313 MORNING SUNSHINE Jim Cerchi (Jnr)
1 54kg
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I think he's unders. Put it all together last start but looks a horse who can and will do a few things wrong. Cool Chap a big danger.
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Should be odds on. 

Hobart Cup may be on the cards I expect if he puts them away. No early market available
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I assumptionise that this is 2040m of picnic racing ?



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Would they send both Plein Ciel and Big Duke to Tassie?
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Originally posted by deejays destiny deejays destiny wrote:

Would they send both Plein Ciel and Big Duke to Tassie?

I think it may be a bit too early for Plien Ciel over 2400m
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Yeah I thought so too, but word from the stable was that they were seriously considering it.
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Best bet of the day at MV Cool Chap is handy but this guy has a turn of foot.
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All over him.
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Interesting to see such conviction in him.

Who do you all consider the better of Plein Ciel and Big Duke? I would've thought Plein Ciel was in front at this point, and I was definitely sweating when Cool Chap loomed up to him last start.
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Plein Ciel is in paddock
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Big Duke rates higher than Plein Ciel.

I've got him a $1.45 chance on Saturday.
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Originally posted by whitt0 whitt0 wrote:

Originally posted by deejays destiny deejays destiny wrote:

Would they send both Plein Ciel and Big Duke to Tassie?


I think it may be a bit too early for Plien Ciel over 2400m


What do you mean too early for Plien Ciel over 2400m ?



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Originally posted by Bonfield Bonfield wrote:

Big Duke rates higher than Plein Ciel.

I've got him a $1.45 chance on Saturday.

Interesting. 

Given that both their last starts were over 1800m at Caulfield, and Plein Ceil won a higher rated race in a quicker time, how does Big Duke rate higher?


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Originally posted by Long Row Long Row wrote:

Originally posted by Bonfield Bonfield wrote:

Big Duke rates higher than Plein Ciel.

I've got him a $1.45 chance on Saturday.

Interesting. 

Given that both their last starts were over 1800m at Caulfield, and Plein Ceil won a higher rated race in a quicker time, how does Big Duke rate higher?



Firstly, you can't compare times from different days.

Secondly, times are only a guide and not used directly in my ratings.

Thirdly, if you do consider times, then Big Duke's last 600m was extremely fast compared to other horses on the day.
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Originally posted by Bonfield Bonfield wrote:

Originally posted by Long Row Long Row wrote:

Originally posted by Bonfield Bonfield wrote:

Big Duke rates higher than Plein Ciel.

I've got him a $1.45 chance on Saturday.

Interesting. 

Given that both their last starts were over 1800m at Caulfield, and Plein Ceil won a higher rated race in a quicker time, how does Big Duke rate higher?



Firstly, you can't compare times from different days.

Secondly, times are only a guide and not used directly in my ratings.

Thirdly, if you do consider times, then Big Duke's last 600m was extremely fast compared to other horses on the day.

OK - thanks.

As someone who doesn't do ratings it was a genuine question.

To my eye Plein Ceil looks superior.
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Cheers.
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Plein Ciel 2000m or under & prefer Big Duke 2000m+.

Djebel - suspect Weir thinks he is still a bit too brilliant & prefers to give them time to get up in trip.
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Originally posted by whitt0 whitt0 wrote:

Plein Ciel 2000m or under & prefer Big Duke 2000m+.

Djebel - suspect Weir thinks he is still a bit too brilliant & prefers to give them time to get up in trip.


100% agree with you there
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Originally posted by slammer14 slammer14 wrote:

Plein Ciel is in paddock


Really ? I thought he was heading to Tassie?
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Best of the day at MV I thought. All over him. Let's get him home, SYT!

Can't get that last 200m out of my head from Caulfield. Wow. Let's do it again!
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Never, ever handled that track and was deadset gone, yet he wins like that.

That was special.
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You just don't do that. Massive run
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Got such an awkward run i thought he was no chance really.

Special win ....absolute lock in Hobart Cup.
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Straight into the Hobart Cup now
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I am not sure what they cost but boy they can find a horse.
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Originally posted by Nocturnal Nocturnal wrote:

I am not sure what they cost but boy they can find a horse.


Not sure what they bought him for but they were selling 5% for a bit north of $20k.
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Some of the owners in him, bought into both Big Duke and Plein Ciel.
They sold one they had with Weiry called 'Get The Dukes Out' for big money to Hong Kong
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That was seriously brilliant . Won't lie, I loaded up , also won't lie , was pulling my hair out when he hit left a little flat footed but boy oh boy wow wee that was special...... Ha ha . Austbloodstock those blokes are on fire .City winners . Don't know much about them though. Very little on their website ??
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Originally posted by BlackKnight BlackKnight wrote:

Originally posted by Nocturnal Nocturnal wrote:

I am not sure what they cost but boy they can find a horse.


Not sure what they bought him for but they were selling 5% for a bit north of $20k.


Seeing Darby racing current syndicates are upwards of 20-30k for 5% for a yearling that is untried , unknown and untested , not even know if it'll even make the track , 20k for a city class wining horse is a bargain . Add the fact that such a large amount of yearlings at magic millions making 250k to 1 million plus that's out of control . Considering only about 15% of those yearling sold will actually pay their way .
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