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Yes mate, exactly the point I was attempting to make about the additional instance.
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Karaka Lot 258, filly by Zabeel ex Dane Dancer bought by M Kavanagh for $700k.
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Originally posted by progeny test progeny test wrote:

Originally posted by Isis Isis wrote:

Shared Reflections 2m x 3m Dancing Show, serious inbreeding to one of the best.  Why do it any other way?


Gai Waterhouse's new 2yr old city winner at Warwick Farm today,

Umatilla wow !!!


She's being set for the 2yr old "widden stakes" next week,
Hang onto your hats

Pathfork set for the 2000 Guineas

Sincero back in work and set for the Gosford Guineas
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Surely Sincero should be being aimed at the Doncaster ?


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Well, Gai Waterhouse told me that he is a champion.

I agree.

As a 2 yr old he broke the 1100 metre Wyong 2yr old record (by 1 second)and went within hundreds/second for the course record set by 5 yr olds.

He has broken Newcastle 1200m Kensington 1400m Randwick 1400m and Randwick 1600m (by 2 seconds) 6 weeks ago. 4 runs in about 5 weeks and 4 records.

He should be able to win anything up to 2040m including the cox plate as a 4yr old.

So, is he a sprinter or stayer ? His 2 yr old form says he can sprint

The owners want to run him for years, so I say he is at least a miler with a killer sprint.

No good ever came out of pushing a Umatilla too
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Any thoughts on what this filly might make, given the obvious type/conformation variables? Melb. Autumn, by Al Samer ex Cocktail Dress, Lot 285? I thought on face value, neither side of the pedigree would have trainers/syndicators fighting for ownership Smile but as many know, I'm always attracted by those Blue Hen dups Wink
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A G3 for Shared Reflections in the Sweet Embrace @ Warwick Farm Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Flight Flight wrote:

I happened to catch Wyong trained 3yo Sincero win at Newcastle last start and he struck me as a very nice horse.  He was more than a class above the rest of the field and went straight into the mental black book.
 

He is going around at Kensington today but carries an extra 2.5kg (60kg) plus is up 200m in distance so it will be interesting to see how he handles the imposts.

 

He is by Umatilla out of a mare who tails back to Best In Show's full sister, Reckless Driver.

 

 


DON'T SAY I DIDN'T TELL YOU ABOUT HIM !!
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A very proud midwife to "midnight" in case you'r wondering, that's the time he was born not the colour of his coat
Sincero,
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The Stephen Farley trained Sincero is the current favourite for the Group 1 Stradbroke Handicap (1400m) on the same day with the three-year-old Umatilla gelding, the winner of the listed Gosford Guineas over 1200m on April 25th, firming from $7.00 into $4.80.

Black Caviar has drifted from $3.50 to $6.00 and Hay List from $6.00 to $8.00.
Sincero is the current favourite for the Group 1 Stradbroke Handicap (1400m)


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Originally posted by progeny test progeny test wrote:

Originally posted by progeny test progeny test wrote:

Originally posted by Isis Isis wrote:

Shared Reflections 2m x 3m Dancing Show, serious inbreeding to one of the best.  Why do it any other way?




Gai Waterhouse's new 2yr old city winner at Warwick Farm today,



Umatilla wow !!!




She's being set for the 2yr old "widden stakes" next week,

Hang onto your hats



Pathfork set for the 2000 Guineas



Sincero back in work and set for the Gosford Guineas


DOUBLE WOWW!!!!
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Originally posted by progeny test progeny test wrote:

Another smashed class record @ 1600m at Randwick today



His Blueblood family will be happy to call him "cousin"



Redoutes is grandson of Dancing Show, Sincero is grandson of Dancing Show



Redoutes carries the mitochrondial DNA of Dancing Show, so does Sincero



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The family just produced a potential top liner at Newmarket tonight. Rougemont, is by Montjou and from the family Via Stolen Date, through Bubinka by Nashua - Starlight Smile by Green Dancer - Spritza by Spectrum.


Bound to be snapped eventually by either Darley of Coolmore, He should be a good match for Redoutes Choice mares.


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The "FAMILY" has just produced quite possibly the best 2yo seen in the UK  so far this season Top Offer.

A brilliant debut winner over 1400m at Newbury.

Bound to be favorite for the 2012 2000 Guineas after that electrifying performance.


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Jazil sired an impressive winner tonight at Newmarket. His 2nd winner as a sire.

Royal blue, white epaulets, striped cap Watch these colours.

http://www1.skysports.com/racing/results/video/452162/newmarket/12-08-2011/talk-night-club-median-auction-maiden-stakes


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He's back as impressive as ever.

Barrier trialled for 3rd in an easy jog. Heavy 10 track.
1st & 2nd under the whip.
Now the Group 3 Tramway @ Randwick in 2 weeks.

The media is back in overdrive.

Now put my seat belt on and hang on!!!!
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Many congrats yet again pt, the start of another lucrative prep by the way he won today. Great result for us 'little ppl' who believe, unlike the mediia, that 50k is not a cheap y/ling Thumbs Up
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Marvelous for PT and connections.  Clap
However am almost absolutely certain that one of our number will entirely refuse to accept that in-breeding within 5 generations or indeed line-breeding had anything to do with the huge upgrade that this terrific performer exemplifies. 
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And a "race record" to boot. By .69 seconds on NIPS record 2004

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Racing history is full of tales of bargain buys becoming champions. Part of the sport’s great appeal stems from its glorious uncertainty, much of which comes from the fact that nobody knows the ability of an untried horse. There is, of course, educated guesswork, and this is the basis on which the big spenders decide which yearlings should be the recipients of their six- or seven-figure bids. However, each year many future stars slip through the auction ring with seemingly neither vendors nor potential buyers realizing the extent of their potential – and at present there are so many inexpensively bought top-liners going around that one would have to question whether the total sum of educated guesswork amounts to anything at all. Of the many recent bargains, few rank as highly as Sincero, a son of Umatilla who cost $8,000 at the 2009 Inglis Bloodstock Classic Yearling Sale and whose latest victory came in the Group One George Main Stakes at Rosehill on 17th September, writes John Berry.

Sadly, Umatilla’s owners will not be able to profit from the wonderful advertisement which Sincero is providing for their horse: Umatilla was retired last year at Blue Gum Farm near Euroa in Victoria, where he had spent the entirety of his stud career. Although never commanding a fee higher than $10,000, Umatilla enjoyed a very successful stud career, so far having been represented by six individual Group One winners, who recorded their top-level victories across the distance spectrum from 1200m to 3200m.

At the time of his birth, Umatilla’s pedigree was clearly a strong one, but subsequent events have made its quality even plainer. Born in New Zealand in 1988, Umatilla had been conceived in Kentucky to southern hemisphere time, his dam Dancing Show having been covered by Miswaki at Walmac Farm in the second half of 1987 and exported to New Zealand in-foal. Once Umatilla had been born, mother and son moved to Australia, where Dancing Show took up residence at Norman Carlyon’s Muranna Stud on the Mornington Peninsula in Victoria. She was clearly an exciting young broodmare: not only was she a winning daughter of the 1970 Triple Crown winner Nijinsky who two years previously had posted the remarkable achievement of siring the Derby winner (Shahrastani) and Kentucky Derby winner (Ferdinand) in the same season, but she was also a grand-daughter of the great matriarch Best In Show.

By this time Best In Show was already known as the dam of the high-class full-brothers Malinowski and Gielgud and of their full-sister Minnie Hauk (dam of the Group One-winning filly Aviance) and as the grand-dam of the Dewhurst-winning full-brothers Try My Best and El Gran Senor. Subsequently she would find even greater fame as ancestress of such champions as Spinning World, Rags To Riches and her half-brother Jazil, Domedriver, Xaar, Peeping Fawn, Denon, and Chimes Of Freedom and her son Aldebaran. In Australia the family would eventually be further enhanced by Dancing Show’s Australian-conceived offspring, who included the 1994 Blue Diamond Stakes winner Hurricane Sky as well as the winning fillies Shantha's Choice and Show Dancing. These two fillies became great broodmares, the former breeding three Group One winners including the champion sire Redoute's Choice, while the latter is the dam of the Group One winner Al Maher. Further Australian laurels came to this family when Dancing Show’s US-bred half-sister Ladies' Day was sent down under: covered by Shantha’s Choice’s Golden Slipper-winning sire Canny Lad, she produced He's No Pie Eater, winner of two Group One races as a three-year-old during the Sydney Autumn Carnival of 2007.

In the same way that Umatilla was the horse who brought the Dancing Show family to the attention of the Australian public, he also led the way down under for the Mr Prospector sire-line. This line has found it easier to become dominant in America than elsewhere, but in recent years it has been enjoying consistently good results in Australia. For a while its two most obvious Australian stars were the multiple Group One winners Weekend Hussler and Apache Cat, sons of Hussonet and Lion Cavern respectively. More recently, Storming Home’s son Lion Tamer has added this season’s Underwood Stakes to his victory in last year’s Victoria Derby, while this year’s Sydney Autumn Carnival saw the Elusive Quality colt Sepoy follow up his Blue Diamond success by taking the Golden Slipper and the imported Kingmambo gelding (My) Kingdom Of Fife win the Queen Elizabeth Stakes. This had followed the victories at the Melbourne Autumn Carnival of the 2009 Melbourne Cup winner Shocking in the Australian Cup and of Eagle Falls in the Oakleigh Plate, sons of Street Cry and Hussonet respectively.

However, when Umatilla was racing, Australian success for the Mr Prospector line was much rarer. Umatilla’s sire Miswaki came from the third crop of Mr Prospector, and Miswaki was only nine when Umatilla was conceived. Now best regarded as a massively influential broodmare sire, Miswaki, who had been a Group One-winning two-year-old in France in 1980, was also an excellent sire of racehorses. Urban Sea (now the dam of nine stakes winners including Galileo and Sea The Stars) provided him with a highlight in this respect by winning the 1993 Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe, while another great triumph was the 1991 Breeders’ Cup Classic victory of Black Tie Affair. Under the circumstances, Umatilla was entitled to attract some attention when he started racing in Australia in the 1990/’91 season, especially as the Australasia into which he was born was very different from the one which we now know. The practice of shuttling dual-hemisphere stallions was then still in its infancy, which meant that sons of top-class northern hemisphere-based sires (such as the 1990 Melbourne Cup winner Kingston Rule, a son of the mighty Secretariat) still had considerable rarity value there.

Interesting though his pedigree made him, though, Umatilla became even more of a celebrity once he started racing. Trained by Tommy Hughes snr at Flemington, he raced twelve times as a two-year-old, finishing in the first three on eleven occasions. Although he raced principally in Melbourne, Umatilla flew across the Nullarbor to challenge for the principal two-year-old race in Western Australia, the Karrakatta Plate over 1200m at Ascot, which then still carried Group One status and was still held during Perth’s Summer Carnival. (It is now a Group Two race and is held much later in the season, in March or April). He won that, the first two-year-olds’ Group One race of the season, under Greg Childs, who had recently relocated from New Zealand to Melbourne; and he further proved both his toughness and class by heading both up to Sydney to finish second in the Group Two Pago Pago Stakes at Rosehill behind Big Dreams and across to Adelaide to win a Listed race over 1000m at Victoria Park. He was also placed in both of Melbourne’s Group One two-year-old races, the Blue Diamond and the VRC Sires’ Produce Stakes (which no longer carries Group One status). In the former he finished second to Canonise and in the latter he finished third behind Not Related, a South Australian-trained daughter of the well-bred Victorian-based Sir Ivor stallion Family Ties.

One of Melbourne’s best trainers of his generation, Tommy Hughes continued to apply the old school dictum that racehorses are meant to be raced: Umatilla was even busier as a three-year-old in the 1991/’92 season, racing 16 times. He won three of these races, with his best victory coming in the Group Three Hilton On The Park Stakes over 1200m at the Flemington Carnival in which he ran 1:08.6 seconds under top weight of 58 kilos. He was also placed in both of Melbourne’s principal Group One sprints in the autumn: second to the brilliant Schillaci in the Lightning Stakes over 1000m at weight-for-age with the grand sprinting mare Wrap Around third, and third to Schillaci in the Newmarket Handicap over 1200m. Umatilla remained in training as a four-year-old in the 1992/’93 season, running 10 times and recording one more victory. All told, when he retired to Blue Gum Farm at the end of the season, he had raced 38 times for the hugely creditable haul of seven victories and 16 minor placings. Although he had been Group One-placed as a two-year-old over 1400m, all his wins and all his best form had come at distances up to 1200m – and he had clearly been at least as tough as he was fast.

It would be wrong to say that Umatilla ever threatened to join the elite band of Australian sires (which is rather surprising considering the fact that, in retrospect, he can be seen to have made a tremendous start to his stud career with his first crop ultimately proving to contain four individual Group One winners). The fact that his stud fee never got above $10,000 makes that clear. However, his nominations proved to be real bargains for scores of Victorian breeders. He was a prolific sire of winners across the distance spectrum. Fittingly, his first Group One winner was his first-crop son Umah, successful in the 1996 Karrakatta Plate and thus the last horse to win the race before its demotion to a Group Two and before its relocation to the autumn.

While Umah recorded his Group One victory over the same distance (and in the same race) as his sire had registered his, Umatilla’s subsequent Group One winners have all scored over farther. Another member of Umatilla's first crop, Umrum, won two editions of the Toorak Handicap (in 1999 and 2000) over 1600m at Caulfield, while Valedictum landed the Emirates Stakes over the same distance at Flemington in 2005. Surprisingly, Umatilla has been represented by two Group One winners at 3200m: Streak, another member of Umatilla's first crop and winner of the Sydney Cup in 2000, and Bohemiath, successful in the Adelaide Cup the same year and yet another top-class winner from Umatilla's first crop. Umatilla has also been responsible for many other good stayers, including 1998 Caulfield Cup runner-up Lisa's Game, 2003 AJC Derby runner-up Strasbourg, 2003 Herbert Power Handicap winner Yakama and 2005 Moonee Valley Gold Cup winner Umbula. He has also, of course, been represented by many fast and precocious horses, including the Group-winning two-year-olds Li Lo Lill, Special Edition and last season’s Sweet Embrace Stakes victrix Shared Reflections, and by the Group One-placed sprinter Blessum. Li Lo Lill, incidentally, followed up her victory in the SAJC Sires’ Produce Stakes as a two-year-old in 2001 by making the frame the following spring in Melbourne in both the VATC Thousand Guineas and the VRC Oaks.

And now Umatilla is represented in retirement by arguably his best son yet. Sincero is a hugely progressive four-year-old who was a Group One winner as a three-year-old over 1400m in the Stradbroke Handicap in Brisbane and who has now won both his starts at four: the Group Three Tramway Handicap over 1400m at Warwick Farm and the Group One George Main Stakes over 1600m at Rosehill. Sincero has so far been placed by his astute Wyong-based trainer Stephen Farley to win 11 of his 15 starts. He currently ranks very close to the best in the land – and who knows how much farther he will rise up the rankings?

It might be worth mentioning that Sincero comes from the same family as his sire: Sincero’s fifth dam Stolen Hour is the dam of Umatilla’s famous third dam Best In Show. It might also be worth mentioning that Umatilla’s best two-year-old of last season, Shared Reflections, is from a daughter of Umatilla’s half-brother Hurricane Sky. These two examples of in-breeding have clearly worked – but Umatilla was such a good stallion that he was able to get good winners from a wide variety of backgrounds, and clearly was not totally dependent on the help of such clever ‘nicks’ to sire good horses.



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What? No acknowledgement to the breeder of such a well planned mating? Angry
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Same as when a top horse breaks down, all these hacks can say is "What a dreadful loss to 'name trainer', a horse like that is very hard to replace"  of course, no mention of the poor bloody owner who's footed the bill right thru' its' career Angry. They get too enraptured by what's in front of their nose instead of reporting the wider picture which is why I rather liked Blakes' written interviews......... they were interesting!  
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track/race record no.8 made on George Main stakes (because it was run at rosehill)


Well Gay the good news too is that

He WAS VOTED "Australia's 2nd best 3yr old colt for 2010/11" on 137 points behind Star Witness (150 points) on Sunday night
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Originally posted by progeny test progeny test wrote:

track/race record no.8 made on George Main stakes (because it was run at rosehill)


Well Gay the good news too is that

He WAS VOTED "Australia's 2nd best 3yr old colt for 2010/11" on 137 points behind Star Witness (150 points) on Sunday night


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Originally posted by progeny test progeny test wrote:

Originally posted by progeny test progeny test wrote:

track/race record no.8 made on George Main stakes (because it was run at rosehill)


Well Gay the good news too is that

He WAS VOTED "Australia's 2nd best 3yr old colt for 2010/11" on 137 points behind Star Witness (150 points) on Sunday night


Did I get invited to the awards? NO
 Im still waiting to breed a winner at any level
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He could be the best horse in the country , so well done pt and I hope he goes on with it .
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bradjm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Sep 2011 at 7:09pm
Originally posted by progeny test progeny test wrote:

Originally posted by progeny test progeny test wrote:

track/race record no.8 made on George Main stakes (because it was run at rosehill)


Well Gay the good news too is that

He WAS VOTED "Australia's 2nd best 3yr old colt for 2010/11" on 137 points behind Star Witness (150 points) on Sunday night


Did I get invited to the awards? NO
 
Its a bit piss poor not inviting the guy who planned raised spent a small fortune sold for very little the countries best racehorse.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gay3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2011 at 6:00pm
Breeder Awards? They have a night for them don't they - or only when the big conglomerates are concerned? Wink
Experience is something you gain a few minutes after you could have used it!
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