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Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

I purposely mentioned the VRC to flush people like you out to see where their allegiances lie and it didn't take long, have a good day lingi11.


Do you mean RVL? Dwyer should’ve been stood down after his Adelaide effort, same as Eden and co. My allegiance is to as clean an industry as possible.
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Originally posted by correctweight correctweight wrote:

Running for Kris Lees

That stinks. Shouldn't be allowed to run for a period. I feel for the owners but where's the integrity? 

Imagine if it bolts in. I'll be on.
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When the attitude of one’s father is that the old days of widespread drug use in racing were good because everyone got a turn there is not a lot of hope for his offspring, unless they are of strong personal character.
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Originally posted by Long Row Long Row wrote:

Originally posted by correctweight correctweight wrote:

Running for Kris Lees


That stinks. Shouldn't be allowed to run for a period. I feel for the owners but where's the integrity? 

Imagine if it bolts in. I'll be on.


Owners have most likely benefited unfairly already. I hope the stewards did full blood analysis on these.
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Originally posted by Furt Furt wrote:

When the attitude of one’s father is that the old days of widespread drug use in racing were good because everyone got a turn there is not a lot of hope for his offspring, unless they are of strong personal character.

There's always rumour and innuendo regarding the "old" days of racing but having started in /57 and been in the swabbing boxes on all Sydney tracks 1st and 2nd were done on Every race and spot swabbing if one was suspect, gauze swabbing on the end of tongs for the mouth and urine as well, sometimes you were in there for two hours for urine, VIC.was always spot swabbing (random) at all times to my knowledge , of course it's changed now , in the last 30 years it has been it's been rife, what they done in the bush I have no knowledge of, never seen a needle till 1970, and I held hundreds for vets prior to that on visits to stables , even bute I used it in satchet form in their feed , the days of Nux, heroin and caffeine a tiny drop of arsenic the size of a pinhead went out with NedKelly, they are smarter today ( trainers) because of the opening up of knowledge but I'm afraid the stewards are the weak link in all of this.
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Originally posted by Furt Furt wrote:

When the attitude of one’s father is that the old days of widespread drug use in racing were good because everyone got a turn there is not a lot of hope for his offspring, unless they are of strong personal character.


Are 'they' Father & Son? Confused
Experience is something you gain a few minutes after you could have used it!
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The stablehand, gossip, urger and spiv, not the trainer.
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Originally posted by Furt Furt wrote:

When the attitude of one’s father is that the old days of widespread drug use in racing were good because everyone got a turn there is not a lot of hope for his offspring, unless they are of strong personal character.


Are 'they' Father & Son? Confused

That was the initial question I posed starting this thread. Consensus seemed to be no but no solid evidence either way.
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By the look of his head mate Darren Smith don't look like no old time trainer to me, now if you said Les Bridge lol I would agree.
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"As long as samples return clear that have been taken from El Dorado Dreaming... The 3YO will run at Randwick Saturday for new trainer Kris Lees. The filly only had to walk 25 metres from Ben Smith’s to join the Lees team early this morning."


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El Dorado Dreaming tested positive to a prohibited substance and won’t be running tomorrow.
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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

El Dorado Dreaming tested positive to a prohibited substance and won’t be running tomorrow.

Great news for integrity
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She is scratched but there is nothing on the RacingNSW website re the issue!
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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Benjamin Smith used to pretrain for Darren back when Darren trained.

Darren must have given Ben some tips.
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El Dorado Dreaming scratched for a testing irregularity.

Hope Smith gets banned for life - good riddance.

In Her Time has to be dropped for the everest now too
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Long Row you are spot on.
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Cobalt 
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Does not seem as sinister when Cobalt is involved.


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So stewards will lay charges, he'll get a stay of proceedings or whatever, be allowed to keep training, be found guilty, appeal, be allowed to keep training etc etc etc
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Originally posted by TJMitchell TJMitchell wrote:

So stewards will lay charges, he'll get a stay of proceedings or whatever, be allowed to keep training, be found guilty, appeal, be allowed to keep training etc etc etc

NSW does seem a little more streamlined than Victoria.

Have any in NSW been turned over ?

Kevin Moses served his time. Can not think of any that have got a result. 


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Failure to co-operate and providing false evidence hopefully will speed up proceedings.
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Good point.

Gives him a guilty complexion that is for sure. 


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NSW certainly a better track record but I wouldn't worry about the false evidence etc...it's telling the truth that gets you in trouble in this industry LOL
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It’s out of comp testing- I don’t know if any cobalt charges will stick
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Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

It’s out of comp testing- I don’t know if any cobalt charges will stick

Sorry I thought the cobalt was referring to the samples taken on raid day...
Raceday sadly they can pursue.. unless you’re Ronnie of course
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So stewards will lay charges, he'll get a stay of proceedings or whatever, be allowed to keep training, be found guilty, appeal, be allowed to keep training etc etc etc
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Maybe it’s time to publish what EDD tested positive to, as we may like an explanation why they are willing to let it compete with a positive to substance(s) that may give it longer-term improved performance.
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Maybe it’s time to publish what EDD tested positive to, as we may like an explanation why they are willing to let it compete with a positive to substance(s) that may give it longer-term improved performance.


No idea what it was but I'm pretty sure it tested negative on a re-test and that is why they allowed it to trial the other day and race again
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Originally posted by TJMitchell TJMitchell wrote:

Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Maybe it’s time to publish what EDD tested positive to, as we may like an explanation why they are willing to let it compete with a positive to substance(s) that may give it longer-term improved performance.



No idea what it was but I'm pretty sure it tested negative on a re-test and that is why they allowed it to trial the other day and race again


There are substances that still have an effect after they test negative- we now have a year off for anabolic steroids and there should be a stand down time for EPO-style drugs
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