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    Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 7:40pm
I've done a search to no avail. Does anyone know if Benjamin Smith the trainer is related to old time, disqualified trainer Darren Smith?
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I sold one to him when he 1st got his licence & didn't get the impression that training was in his genes but it was only a feeling so not a great deal of help Embarrassed
Experience is something you gain a few minutes after you could have used it!
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I asked this question recently and received NO response.

Reading this, says the probability of him being a brother to DARREN is zilch.

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Trainer Ben Smith eyes Breeders Classic with In His Time; Royal ...

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/.../trainer-ben-smith.../662f33d7847ed8369671aed4...
Feb 2, 2017 - EVERY trainer needs to make sacrifices in the early days but no one should have to go an entire winter without hot water. That's exactly what Newcastle trainer Ben Smith did when he was trying to make his way in the ruthless racing caper some six years ago. Little more than one year after taking out his ...
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If he is,it shouldn't worry you because just about every successful trainer is recognised as a CHEAT and crook,according to horse forums.
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I just had a feeling he took over from Darren when DQ occurred. He did take over the training of Testarhythm from Darren so I am thinking there is some sort of relationship-perhaps son.
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I have ask a few locals and they say he isnt DS,s brother.    However, to confuse matters, he does have a brother called Darren Confused  So I am still unsure.  DS isnt old enough to be this bloke,s father.  The age is more in line with a brother. 
DS has his place on the market but they say he is asking too much, as its in the Williamtown contamination zone.  Apparently Weir uses it for some of NSW horses at present .
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  Newcastle based Benjamin Smith is a fairly newcomer to the training ranks. Scone born and raised he is a son of Ian ‘Ginger’ Smith and a grandson of Graeme Smith; breeder and owner of some successful performers a few years ago. Graeme also stood the Sweet Moss stallion ‘Moscow’ at his Middlebrook Dairy Farm. ‘Moscow’ was successful in the Show Ring winning Champion Thoroughbred Stallion Ribbons regularly at Sydney’s RAS of NSW Royal Easter Show. I was actually the Judge on one occasion and Chief Steward on others.
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He may be a cousin or nephew?
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The first article posted says his bother DANIEL is his foreman.
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I sincerely hope this young man is no relation, and I doubt it very much, not a great deal gets hidden in to days atmosphere.
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Benjamin Smith used to pretrain for Darren back when Darren trained.
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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Benjamin Smith used to pretrain for Darren back when Darren trained.

Would you say that's where the relationship ends linghi11?
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Darren Smith survives and has great reviews for his lodging at 

SMITHFIELDS,WILLIAMTOWN

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Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Benjamin Smith used to pretrain for Darren back when Darren trained.

Would you say that's where the relationship ends linghi11?


Well Dynamic has just moved over there...
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Not related at all.
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Most horses run to their ratings time after time.     We have to allow for conditioning and " The Grand Finals " but LUCK in running accounts for most questionable runs.
I hope no one thought Osborne Bulls & Marble were "dead uns" when recent beaten favs.
Only ONE winner per race and we have to find the reasons the rest weren't first past the post.



























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I was  just told by someone from Broadie that there is no relationship between Darren and Ben.
Ben,s brother is Daniel.   Opinion is that Ben is a top bloke and nothing like Darren, but he got some of DS,s horses because he did work for him at one stage, pre training.
He is a Scone boy,  with roots, as Red has posted.
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Originally posted by RED HUNTER RED HUNTER wrote:

Darren Smith survives and has great reviews for his lodging at 

SMITHFIELDS,WILLIAMTOWN



All show ponies and most of it done by DS,s wife and daughter, who is a showy herself.   No shortage of money either.
Its in the con zone so they best make what they can of it as people wont buy in there .
Rumur says DW might , if the price was right, but its only rumour . 

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His last name is Smith, so is he related to Gai ?.Or Neddy. Or George, good rugby player.   
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Very good rugby player was George, the other two I can't recall.
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Bet you can remember BILLY SMITH
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Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

Very good rugby player was George, the other two I can't recall.


You arnt that far gone in oldtimers , Carioca  !!!!Wink
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Originally posted by RED HUNTER RED HUNTER wrote:

Bet you can remember BILLY SMITH

Now there's two Red, Billy half back for sainters or WA smith of a Melbourne Cup, maybe Hihg Jinx, not sure really.
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

Very good rugby player was George, the other two I can't recall.


You arnt that far gone in oldtimers , Carioca  !!!!Wink

Dunno about that AA, got one leg in the top paddock at times.
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At times. Thumbs Up    Most of us here have a foot in the paddock,  at times,  judging by our/their posts.   Wink
Your memory would stun a bullock.   Clap
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Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

Originally posted by RED HUNTER RED HUNTER wrote:

Bet you can remember BILLY SMITH

Now there's two Red, Billy half back for sainters or WA smith of a Melbourne Cup, maybe Hihg Jinx, not sure really.

Rugby in WA is a dirty word ( I did know of the rugby player but BILLY the baby face is my man)

NRL...should be ERL...EASTERN RUGBY LEAGUE

less said about the "PRIVATE COLLEGE" Rugby......Talk to Twiggy Forrest.
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BILLY SMITH

AHHH..SAINT KILDA,yes.....around the time of Darryl Baldock?
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Originally posted by RED HUNTER RED HUNTER wrote:

BILLY SMITH

AHHH..SAINT KILDA,yes.....around the time of Darryl Baldock?

Nah Red Hunter lol, Billy Smith the mighty St George half back of years gone by.
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Carioca,I thought of the rugby player then got caught up with the SAINT reference and the answer is

Ross G. Smith
Australian rules footballer
Ross Gibson Smith is a former Australian rules footballer who played in the Victorian Football League. Smith played with St Kilda as a courageous rover. He won the Brownlow Medal in 1967 and captained Victoria at the 1972 Perth Carnival. Wikipedia
Born8 September 1942 (age 75)
Height1.73 m
Weight75 kg

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Getting back to DARREN SMITH

it appears that anyone training a horse,domiciled near NEWCASTLE, with the name SMITH is thought of as a relation to DARREN

It ain't pretty.....never forgot the day DARREN was due to get time,one of a few at least, and he trained about 5 winners at NEWCASTLE on a Sunday meet....enough to tide him over  for a long suspension
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