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Originally posted by BlackKnight BlackKnight wrote:


Some owners are prepared to let the legal process take its course without pre-supposing an outcome Batman. In any case my filly with the stable broke her leg at trackwork a few weeks ago which I suppose the likes of you would consider to be karma for my "support of the stable".


Owners like you will have to move the horses as none of them are allowed to be nominated. Happy days for honest trainers.
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Those shockwave treatments could explain why the filly broke down - numbs the area and if there are skeletal issues - well I don’t need to elaborate.
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"On 12 April 2018 stewards allege Currie provided them with a mobile phone that had been factory reset..."

LOL why even hand it in at all, that just looks bad no matter how you spin it
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Seeing a "promising" young trainers career crumbling so publicly is incredible.




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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Seeing a "promising" young trainers career crumbling so publicly is incredible.




How is his career promising if he breaks the rules and cheats. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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Originally posted by monty1 monty1 wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Seeing a "promising" young trainers career crumbling so publicly is incredible.




How is his career promising if he breaks the rules and cheats. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Only incredible thing is that they let this rubbish go on for so long! But what do you expect from people who gave a Sydney trainer no penalty for raceday treatment before a group 1 and gave a few pathetic months to his strapper instead.
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Interstate stewards might wonder why Currie is unable to nominate any runners, yet the bloke who has been found guilty & penalised accordingly carries on.

Currie will get his, in due course, however there is a clear double standard in the Qld stewards’ treatment of their own collar.
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Ban these cheats for life.. robbing punters of their hard earned whilst lining the pockets of the bookies and seedy ‘mates’..
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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Originally posted by monty1 monty1 wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Seeing a "promising" young trainers career crumbling so publicly is incredible.




How is his career promising if he breaks the rules and cheats. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Only incredible thing is that they let this rubbish go on for so long! But what do you expect from people who gave a Sydney trainer no penalty for raceday treatment before a group 1 and gave a few pathetic months to his strapper instead.
And therein lays one of racings great anomalies, is there such a thing as a 'protected species' alive and well in this industry?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote skippy123 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 2018 at 9:53am
Originally posted by Bonjour Bonjour wrote:

Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Originally posted by monty1 monty1 wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Seeing a "promising" young trainers career crumbling so publicly is incredible.




How is his career promising if he breaks the rules and cheats. Good riddance to bad rubbish.


Only incredible thing is that they let this rubbish go on for so long! But what do you expect from people who gave a Sydney trainer no penalty for raceday treatment before a group 1 and gave a few pathetic months to his strapper instead.

And therein lays one of racings great anomalies, is there such a thing as a 'protected species' alive and well in this industry?

The answer to that very question may be available mid July Bonjour
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Originally posted by Bonjour Bonjour wrote:

Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Originally posted by monty1 monty1 wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Seeing a "promising" young trainers career crumbling so publicly is incredible.




How is his career promising if he breaks the rules and cheats. Good riddance to bad rubbish.


Only incredible thing is that they let this rubbish go on for so long! But what do you expect from people who gave a Sydney trainer no penalty for raceday treatment before a group 1 and gave a few pathetic months to his strapper instead.

And therein lays one of racings great anomalies, is there such a thing as a 'protected species' alive and well in this industry?


Without a shadow of any doubt. Seems to be mainly what Ben’s supporters are using to justify his indescretions.
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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Those shockwave treatments could explain why the filly broke down - numbs the area and if there are skeletal issues - well I don’t need to elaborate.


Thats what I wondered, when BK said their filly broke down.  Very sorry for the loss of your horse, BK.  No one here would wish that on anyone , or their horse.  But it certainly begs the question IMHO.
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Those shockwave treatments could explain why the filly broke down - numbs the area and if there are skeletal issues - well I don’t need to elaborate.


Thats what I wondered, when BK said their filly broke down.  Very sorry for the loss of your horse, BK.  No one here would wish that on anyone , or their horse.  But it certainly begs the question IMHO.

So lingh11, similar to nerve blocking the hoof?
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Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Those shockwave treatments could explain why the filly broke down - numbs the area and if there are skeletal issues - well I don’t need to elaborate.


Thats what I wondered, when BK said their filly broke down.  Very sorry for the loss of your horse, BK.  No one here would wish that on anyone , or their horse.  But it certainly begs the question IMHO.

So lingh11, similar to nerve blocking the hoof?


There’s an article about it today, it deadens the nerve - so like you cannot race on bute (although a lot of successful trainers microdose various painkillers to stay under threshold) because there is an increased risk of serious breakdowns, neither are you allowed to race for 7 days after shockwave. Bauer got away with racing after 5 days in the Cup. .
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Wonder if his first acceptances will be taken for the Straddie, Derby and JJ Aitkins. They close at 11.00am. Looks like his stable is being systematically dismantled. Starting with key staff being stood down, laying of charges against Ben and refusal to accept entries from the stable. Will be hard to come back from this. Even if he beats a number of the charges, it is difficult to beat them all. A plea bargain type result might be the only way for him to come back after a holiday ( a la Oliver ). On face value, he is long odds to get off penalty free, and has to know that.
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Trainer of racehorse Party Till Dawn to appeal against methamphetamine doping fine
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Updated 4 Jan 2017, 5:29pm

Toowoomba horse trainer Ben Currie flanked by two friends
PHOTO: Trainer Ben Currie (C) has denied the meth doping allegations surrounding horse Party Till Dawn. (Facebook: Ben Currie)
RELATED STORY: Racehorse Party Till Dawn tests positive for methRELATED STORY: Stewards accept horse trainer didn't deliberately give horses ice
A Queensland horse trainer says he will appeal against a $9,000 penalty imposed after one of his horses tested positive to methamphetamine.

The positive sample was taken from his horse Party Till Dawn at a race meeting in Toowoomba in June last year.

The Queensland Racing Integrity Commission (QRIC) said the drug could have impacted the horse's health and the image of the sport.

"I think most people who understand the situation and know the story understand that we're probably going to beat the case," trainer Ben Currie told the ABC.

Owners transferred the horse to Mr Currie's stables weeks earlier from the care of Gold Coast trainer Stephen Jones.

QRIC said the only other instance of a Queensland horse testing positive for methamphetamine was when trainer Cassandra Marsh provided sufficient evidence that her horse, Island Tang, had been in contact with a habitual user of the drug in 2015.

"There's no proof that the methamphetamine has even gone through the horse's system," Mr Currie said.

He said horses broke down methamphetamine to amphetamine, and Party Till Dawn did not test positive to amphetamine.

"We're pretty confident … that we can beat the charges," he said.

Claim of sample tampering

In addition to denying the doping charge, Mr Currie claimed the horse's swab, sent to the Racing Science Centre, was tampered with.

"The security bag was breached and the bag had been opened, so we're pretty confident that we can beat the charges," he said.

Mr Currie said the matter would be reviewed internally and then taken to the Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal.

He said the chances of a bigger fine were "very, very slim" and suspension was off the table.

"I'm disappointed in the size of the fine, but it's not unexpected," he said.

Ward Young, from the Coalition for the Protection of Racehorses, said his group was "absolutely outraged to hear that this particular trainer has not been expelled from racing altogether".

"It is unsafe for the people who participate in horse racing, it is unethical for the horses who are subject to this, and the racing industry must restore their social licence by kicking out people who deliberately drug and dope race horses," he said.

"We believe the issue of drugging horses is more widespread than just those cases and that's why there needs to be such harsh penalties for anyone who engages in this practice."
In December, Mr Currie was also found guilty and fined $6,000 by the QRIC after his horse Tints tested positive for the banned substance boldenone in Rockhampton on April 8, 2016.

Boldenone is defined as a synthetic steroid hormone resembling testosterone in its ability to promote the growth of muscle.

He said at the time he would also appeal against that ruling.
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Did his steward mate tamper with the bag for him? How did the appeals go?
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Originally posted by monty1 monty1 wrote:

Trainer of racehorse Party Till Dawn to appeal against methamphetamine doping fine

A Queensland horse trainer says he will appeal against a $9,000 penalty imposed after one of his horses tested positive to methamphetamine.


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"Ben Currie application for interim stay denied at QCAT. Adjourned hearing for a stay is set down for 10am Friday."
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So there's a stay on the stay and no pre-stay stay.
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Originally posted by Lordy Lordy wrote:

So there's a stay on the stay and no pre-stay stay.

That is very much retweetable. Smile


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Originally posted by BlackKnight BlackKnight wrote:


Some owners are prepared to let the legal process take its course without pre-supposing an outcome Batman. ".


Been in that position myself BK

I supported a trainer who had all the defence and reasons as to what happened.
I liked him, trusted him and sadly, in the end, it appears he let me down
As did the stewards and the RSPCA

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Originally posted by Shrunk in the Wash Shrunk in the Wash wrote:

Originally posted by BlackKnight BlackKnight wrote:


Some owners are prepared to let the legal process take its course without pre-supposing an outcome Batman. ".


Been in that position myself BK

I supported a trainer who had all the defence and reasons as to what happened.
I liked him, trusted him and sadly, in the end, it appears he let me down
As did the stewards and the RSPCA

Can’t always blame the owners


Shrunk, many trainers have loyal owners who support them and that is admirable. However my comments were aimed at the owners who support cheating trainers, not innocent people. Cheats should be kicked out, and it should be for long periods.
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This is actually getting ridiculous...


"Ben Currie this morning made an unsuccessful application to transfer the horses he has running on the weekend to his father Mark's name. Mark has been disqualified for two years on raceday treatment charges relating to Ben's horses, Mark successfully won a stay."
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Cheeky move. Gotta give them top marks for trying.   
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Cynical gelati that. Surely any support the bloke has is rapidly evaporating.
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Cynical gelati that. Surely any support the bloke has is rapidly evaporating.

They’ve thumbed their nose at racing authorities for a long time. Why stop now?
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What a disgrace.
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Originally posted by Lordy Lordy wrote:

Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Cynical gelati that. Surely any support the bloke has is rapidly evaporating.

They’ve thumbed their nose at racing authorities for a long time. Why stop now?

Hope Bens next move is a bit smarter than that one. Publicly supporting someone who has been given two years for allegedly being involved in juicing YOUR horses. Good luck to the new trainers and see how many more abandon ship.
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