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    Posted: 18 Oct 2019 at 12:23pm

It appears Barack Obama was not all he was cracked up to be if David Cameron, the former PM of Britain, is to be believed over a telephone call he made to Obama in 2013 when the Syrian regime attacked residential areas near Damascus.

Barack Obama took four days to respond to David Cameron’s request for a co-ordinated plan after a 2013 chemical weapons attack by the Syrian regime on residential areas near Damascus.

The former UK prime minister said the US president took “far too long” to return his calls and that a “more automatic response would have been better".

Mr Cameron, who is promoting his new book after three years out of the limelight, said he and Mr Obama had agreed that the use of chemical weapons by Syrian President Bashar Al Assad would be a “red line”.

The option of a military response to the attacks on Ghouta, which possibly killed more than 1,000 people, was put to the British Parliament by Mr Cameron but rejected by MPs.

Mr Obama’s Secretary of State at the time, John Kerry, has since blamed the UK government for derailing a response by calling a Parliamentary vote.

“A more automatic response would have been better," Mr Cameron told ITV. "We then agreed a plan.”

He said he was spurred to act after seeing images of dead children, which reminded him of his son Ivan who passed away at the age of six in 2009.

“I watched it on the television and the sight of the children laid out in rows, it made me think of Ivan and everything that had happened to me," Mr Cameron said.

"And I thought it was just so appalling. I felt we’ve got to act.

“President Obama and I had discussed the red line, I think at the G8 in Northern Ireland and so I immediately thought: 'well we must get together and act'.”

But Mr Cameron said he overestimated how supportive Parliament would be after calling the vote for military action.

He said he thought MPs would share his “abhorrence” at what had happened.

“I lost that vote, the first time a prime minister had lost a vote in the House of Commons on a major issue of foreign policy," Mr Cameron said.

"I blame the people who voted against me, obviously, but I also blame myself. I misread the situation but I think we should have acted.

"I’m not saying it would have solved the Syrian crisis but it was a red line crossed. It was an appalling thing to happen.

"I made a passionate argument in Parliament but I lost that. I lost that vote.”

 

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Yep 

TRUMP = G.O.A.T. POTUSThumbs Up

BARRY = W.O.F.T.A.M. POTUSThumbs Down
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PT, can you make sense of Cameron's whinge? He seems to be blaming Obama in some way for his own failure to get the support of his party.
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Barry is a numpty ... his own party is still trying to workout how to dismantle Obummer Careless - his one and only legacy (apart from his $15 million mansion).
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Leaving aside the hypocrisy of the Trumpers here who applaud Trump wanting to get out of stupid wars, but pot Obama for not wanting to get involved in one, David Cameron(Syria Brexit) may well be the worst British PM in modern history. Like Tony Blair(Iraq) he is trying to rewrite history I think.

Here is John Kerry's take on it. As it turned out I think Obama recruiting and arming the Syrian Kurds(called Offshore Balancing) was the correct action, something even Republicans now accept. What has happened this week under the Deranged Orange traitor is another story.


John Kerry blames David Cameron for Syria failure

Outgoing secretary of state says UK derailed plans to bomb Assad regime.

The U.K. is to blame for U.S. President Barack Obama’s failure to follow through on a promise to bomb the Syrian regime if it used chemical weapons, outgoing Secretary of State John Kerry said at a press conference late Thursday, according to a Guardian report.

Obama had said chemical weapons were a "red line" for America, but failed to act when Syria's President Bashar al-Assad used sarin gas on civilians in August 2013.

According to Kerry, Obama was ready to respond to the "blatant violation of international law," but the then British prime minister, David Cameron, derailed his plans by putting a motion for U.S.-led air strikes to a vote in parliament, applying pressure on Obama to get congressional permission to act.

“Now, we were marching towards that time when, lo and behold … Prime Minister David Cameron went to the parliament … and he sought a vote for approval for him to join in the action that we were going to engage in. And guess what, the parliament voted no, they shot him down," Kerry said.

"So as we were briefing Congress — and I was on one of those briefing calls with maybe a hundred members of Congress on the call — many of them were saying, ‘Well, you’ve got to come to us. You’ve got to go through the constitutional process, get permission from us to do something."

The administration, Kerry said, thought Congress would be quick to approve the air strikes, given the "blatant violation."

However, as the vote was being organized, Kerry said, Russia and the U.S. were able to broker a deal for the Assad regime to get rid of its chemical weapons.

“All of a sudden [Russia's Foreign Affairs Minister Sergei] Lavrov and I were thrown together by our presidents,” Kerry said, “in an effort to try and achieve that and guess what, we did achieve it, before Congress voted."

That was misinterpreted as a sign of weakness, Kerry said, stressing: "The president never said, 'I won't drop a bomb.'"

Kerry's statements come a week after British Prime Minister Theresa May's spokesperson criticized his position on Israel. In late December, the U.S. chose to abstain instead of vetoing a U.N. Security Council motion condemning Israel's settlements on territory claimed by Palestinians.

Using language rarely heard from a U.S. secretary of state, Kerry warned that the settlers’ growing political power would eventually force Israel to make a fateful choice: “Israel can either be Jewish or democratic — it cannot be both — and it won’t ever really be at peace.”

May's spokesperson said: “We do not believe that it is appropriate to attack the composition of the democratically elected government of an ally."

http://www.politico.eu/article/john-kerry-blames-david-cameron-for-syria-failure/

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As usual PT has completely debunked Doc's biased, untruthful rubbish, no doubt this will not deter Dr E he will come back for more.

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Trump is elected

DEMS: "RRRRREEEEE!!!" ... "He's a WarMonger, he will start WWIII ... RRREEEEEEE!!!"

Trump brokers actual "UNPRECEDENTED!!!" meetings with Little Rocket Man, Putin, etc, etc.

DEMS: "RRRREEEEE!!!" ... "he's friends with our enemies, he can't be trusted ... RRREEEEEE!!!" 

TRUMP: We must get our troops out of the Middle East, not our job.

DEMS: "RRRREEEE!!! ... WE MUST GET OUR TROOPS OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST, BUT MUCH SOONER... RRREEEEE!!!

TRUMP: Ok, we are getting our troops out this week

DEMS: "RRRREEEEE!!! ... WE MUST LEAVE OUR TROOPS THERE TO FIGHT!!! ... RRRREEEE!!!"

TRUMP: We are sending troops to defend crucial oil shipping in the Middle East

DEMS: "RRRREEEE!!! ... WARMONGER!!! ... RRRREEEE!!!"

They simply don't get it ... 

The Leftards the world over are simply a caricature of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" and "Chicken Little" rolled into one ... no wonder they need to indoctrinate children.

Just shut up CNN and you irrelevant anti American Democrats ... three years of this gelati and you still haven't learned a thing, still haven't landed a blow! Embarrassed
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

As usual PT has completely debunked Doc's biased, untruthful rubbish, no doubt this will not deter Dr E he will come back for more.

Sad when you are so stupid you don't realise your stupidity is being displayed for all to see Confused

... seriously? ... John Kerry is the "trump card" Confused

Try harder you loopy leftards!LOLLOLLOL
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Hey Doc, how did the Obama impeachment go?

How many of Obama's aids ended up in prison? His personal lawyers, campaign managers, NatSec Advisers, coffee boys...?
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Oh I see PT ... Barry O'Gunna!Wink
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Barry the Un-impeached.
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Why would Barry be impeached PT ... he literally didn't do ANYTHING for 8 years!LOL
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Why would Barry be impeached PT ... he literally didn't do ANYTHING wrong for 8 years!LOL


Fixed it for you. Wink
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

As usual PT has completely debunked Doc's biased, untruthful rubbish, no doubt this will not deter Dr E he will come back for more.

Sad when you are so stupid you don't realise your stupidity is being displayed for all to see Confused


I must apologise to Doc, I assumed that only he would start such a dumb thread. But I see it was actually BB, simply substitute his name for Dr E's in the above  post Wink
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Again PT? ... #sad

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It's OK Whale - I don't read your posts anyway.Thumbs Up
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E's posts remind me of worms wriggling in a bait bucket.
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

It's OK Whale - I don't read your posts anyway.Thumbs Up

Neither do I  Doc. I do not have that much time to read ever ending postings.
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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

It's OK Whale - I don't read your posts anyway.Thumbs Up

Neither do I  Doc. I do not have that much time to read ever ending postings.

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Good thread this. Must be good to get Whale back posting on TBV again - remember he doesn't "VISIT" very much anymore according to him a few days back. If only that were true  LOL 
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........the embarrassing bit is he thinks anyone cares
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Good thread this. Must be good to get Whale back posting on TBV again - remember he doesn't "VISIT" very much anymore according to him a few days back. If only that were true  LOL 

Big day of stalking ahead ?
Not really, I hardly post here anymore.

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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

........the embarrassing bit is he thinks anyone cares


you care muchly

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Are you the brown one Whale ?
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You mean does he identify as the brown one?
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Going OK this thread Bob, particularly since Whale and PT started death riding it ... but still posting manically anyway!LOL

... and O'bummer identifies as brown ... or white ... depends who he's trying to hoodwinkWink
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Wow, it has survived a whole 3 hours 50 minutes...gangbusters. LOL
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... and AGAIN PT! #sad
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PT with your "extensive knowledge" of US politics you might bother to listen to this woman's lecture in Florida early in 2018. She certainly lays into the Obama administration. It is a long speech , I gave up half way through. but I got the gist of it...Obama, in her opinion, was a ordinary president.

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