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I think they would be crazy to give the Caulfield Cup a miss. He has tip top tactical speed and they know 2400m is well within his compass. 3200m has to be a query.






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Given 1.5kg penalty for that win...seems a bit strange to me. But it might get him into the CC.
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Yep confirmed: Avilius recieves a 1.5kg penalty for his win in the Group 3 The Bart Cummings, will now carry 54.5kg in the Melbourne Cup.
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

I think they would be crazy to give the Caulfield Cup a miss. He has tip top tactical speed and they know 2400m is well within his compass. 3200m has to be a query.




Agree with this. Up to 20th in order of entry after Saturday and 2 weeks into the Caulfield Cup with 54.5kgs then 3 weeks into the Mackinnon over 2000 looks ideal.

As mentioned above unlikely to happen and I'm sure they'll head to the Melbourne Cup but the 2500 seemed to see him out on Saturday.

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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

I think they would be crazy to give the Caulfield Cup a miss. He has tip top tactical speed and they know 2400m is well within his compass. 3200m has to be a query.



I agree 100%. May not even run the 2 miles. Looks to of lost his zip at the end of 2500m on the weekend. I thought he would've let down better to be honest. Connections would be silly to overlook a Caulfield Cup. Its winnable.
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What are people's thoughts on the 1.5k penalty handed to Avilius? Was it deserved? The margin between Avilius and the runner-up was very small.

I thought he wouldn't of got any penalty. Compared to Amelie's Star who won the Bart Cummings by a bigger margin and she recieved no penalty.
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Cox Plate next for him confirmed on fox then alls well the MC.
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Cox Plate will be like a Mackinnon Stakes type run to fine tune him for the Melbourne Cup
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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And penalty free.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

...Rather see him back to 2000m for the Cox (can certainly run a drum)

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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

...Rather see him back to 2000m for the Cox (can certainly run a drum)


James comes on here incognito and reads every word I write.  Wink  Big smile



Surely you are kidding? Surely James Cummings does not have an accoun on this forum?
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He has as much chance of winning a Cox Plate as he has of winning a MC.
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Took $6 the place in the Cox immediately after the Bart Cummings for a modest collect.
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He wouldn't get a run in a normal Cox Plate year on his record to date
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YearRaceGradeWinnerTrainerWinner Fam.Dist.2nd3rdTimeComment
2018STC KINGSTON TOWN STAKESG3AVILIUS4-i2000 MTBRIMHAM ROCKSI AM SERIOUS2:02.01 
2018VRC BART CUMMINGSG3AVILIUSJAMES CUMMINGS4-i2500 MTJAAMEH2YOGI102:35.43 
2017PRIX DE SURESNES AVILIUSANDRE FABRE4-i2000 MTMY SCHOLARPHOCEEN22:08:716 STARTERS; WON BY NECK (JRD)
2017PRIX EUGENE ADAMG2FINCHEANDRE FABRE1-p10FAFANDEM2AVILIUS2:058 STARTERS; WON BY 1/2 LENGTH
2017PRIX GUILLAUME DORNANOG2EMINENT13MARTYN MEADE9-c2000 MTSALOUENAVILIUS2:02:268 STARTERS; WON BY 3 LENGTHS (JRD)
2017PRIX NIELG2CRACKSMAN6JOHN GOSDEN9-c2400 MTAVILIUSFINCHE2:37.78 
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I hope he runs a place for you Second Chance! It just puts the Winx domination into perspective. Obviously Avilius has G1 ability, but in the past a galloper like him would have had to have won a G1 (likely at WFA) beforehand to come into consideration. 
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he overcame the weight and beat a pretty good field at flemington - he's fit and will have an ideal lead up in the cox plate. Sometimes the exposed form is better
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He hung out all the way down the straight at Caulfield. He will get lost around the valley and I can't see him running a drum. $6 is probably worth finding out though.
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Originally posted by speedingaway speedingaway wrote:

I hope he runs a place for you Second Chance! It just puts the Winx domination into perspective. Obviously Avilius has G1 ability, but in the past a galloper like him would have had to have won a G1 (likely at WFA) beforehand to come into consideration. 


It has been a while since that was the case.





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James Cummings heart must have sunk at the end of the straight on the first lap.

If he had a chance, it was all over pretty early.
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Yep.
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Avilius was my top pick, COM my third pick ... no exotics today, and we will never know!Unhappy

Will they save COM?
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Already gone. Broken shoulder
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Very sadUnhappy ... broke down after cantering 1100m, but PETA will no doubt make a song and dance over it.
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Was Avilius put to sleep?
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Was Avilius put to sleep?


No. The Cliffs of Moher was
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Very sadUnhappy ... broke down after cantering 1100m, but PETA will no doubt make a song and dance over it.


Check out the coalition for protection of race horses page on Facebook, you would almost think they were happy it happened.
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Think Avilius has injuries tho ??? 
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From the stewards report

Avilius (GB) - slow to begin. Hampered to avoid the injured The Cliffsofmoher (IRE) passing the winning post on the first occasion. A post race veterinary examination revealed the gelding had sustained lacerations to its off fore fetlock
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If the injury was minor, all he did was track work - surely they back him up in whatever they like and he just wins ...
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