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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

You cant have it both ways. Taking heat out of the market by the ALP approach will work. Housing will become more affordable for those not in the market. The flip side is that those already in the market will lose money - & those that have entered in the past 3 years already have negative equity based on natural correction. Add the new rules & that will blow out to include many more as prices will take a further bath. Wrong time to do it - wait till the natural correction has stabilised. 

oneone, the normal property market "cycle" has ALWAYS done that, did so last time, time before that, time before that, and it's cooling of its own accord right now ... in fact there is now talk that it is going too far, due to over regulation of lending! ... this recent growth cycle does not even represent the strongest growth period we have seen ... but the media doesn't want the truth, just the Boom and more importantly the BUST! 

Cycles are normal, and introducing artificial stimuli or dampeners at any time risks havoc, having far wider negative economic reach than the property market alone.

There is no "right" time for these policies ... they are designed to invoke envy and loathing amongst the uneducated ALP base ... and right on cue who wants to argue in favour of them without a skerrick of knowledge between them? ... none other than the usual whining parasites, Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dummer!Wacko 

The "sleeper" here is that they are now saying that it will apply to ALL assets ... and they haven't given us ANY numbers on that devastation ...?

Again, EVERYONE LOSSES if the asset values of the nation fall ... it means that more people will become welfare dependent sooner ... it's not rocket science, it's not even climate science, but some of our favourite dopes will never understand that! 
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

IF that eventuated,then it would be a less attractive return, but that's not a loss.
A loss is when your urrent capital value is lower than the initial capital value

You are a loss ... a total loss.

Try this analogy ... let's say you had the chance to marry Melania Trump, but then you opened your mouth, and she said no, and you ended up marrying Hillary Clinton ... would that be a loss? ... no cheating now, you can't ask macca!LOL
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

IF that eventuated,then it would be a less attractive return, but that's not a loss.
A loss is when your urrent capital value is lower than the initial capital value

You are a loss ... a total loss.

Try this analogy ... let's say you had the chance to marry Melania Trump, but then you opened your mouth, and she said no, and you ended up marrying Hillary Clinton ... would that be a loss? ... no cheating now, you can't ask macca!LOL
As I said - comparatively speaking you would have to say yes - esp. if the third option was Jennifer Hawkins - lol
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

IF that eventuated,then it would be a less attractive return, but that's not a loss.
A loss is when your urrent capital value is lower than the initial capital value


You are a loss ... a total loss.

Try this analogy ... let's say you had the chance to marry Melania Trump, but then you opened your mouth, and she said no, and you ended up marrying Hillary Clinton ... would that be a loss? ... no cheating now, you can't ask macca!LOL



   Your making it to easy for him .

I hope He & Hilary have a happy life.
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

IF that eventuated,then it would be a less attractive return, but that's not a loss.
A loss is when your urrent capital value is lower than the initial capital value


You are a loss ... a total loss.

Try this analogy ... let's say you had the chance to marry Melania Trump, but then you opened your mouth, and she said no, and you ended up marrying Hillary Clinton ... would that be a loss? ... no cheating now, you can't ask macca!LOL

Our poor feckless finger painter, your nurses too busy to do those compounding calculations for you?

We both know,if you knew how to calculate it,and IF it proved your point you’d have plastered the results all over the site in triumph.

Alas,our finger painter appears to have conceded this point,and has resorted to childish jibes yet again.....
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Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

IF that eventuated,then it would be a less attractive return, but that's not a loss.
A loss is when your urrent capital value is lower than the initial capital value


You are a loss ... a total loss.

Try this analogy ... let's say you had the chance to marry Melania Trump, but then you opened your mouth, and she said no, and you ended up marrying Hillary Clinton ... would that be a loss? ... no cheating now, you can't ask macca!LOL

Our poor feckless finger painter, your nurses too busy to do those compounding calculations for you?

We both know,if you knew how to calculate it,and IF it proved your point you’d have plastered the results all over the site in triumph.

Alas,our finger painter appears to have conceded this point,and has resorted to childish jibes yet again.....
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Do us all a favour, get a new insult you boring unimaginative drone!Cry
 

So, once again, I've given you the answer, again, nothing has changed, it is AT LEAST $500 Billion.

You disagree, for no reason, so it's up to you to disprove it, but all that you have done is the opposite.

Have you failed at everything you have ever attempted?

No need to answer, you will only make it worse, the evidence is EVERYWHERE!Embarrassed
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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History is your best proof Doc.

Today's cooling in the after boom in the big 2 cities is the normal pattern.
They are building and selling North of Brisbane ATM ..   OUR TURN.
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Ok, it’s clear that our village idiot doesn’t understand the compounding concept at all.

I deliberately chose a very low rate to demonstrate that even if capital appreciation occurred at extremely low levels you still don’t lose money.
Poor old stupid confirmed his belief that a rate of only 2.5% would be a farcically low return.

So if we start today with an asset of $1M, and it’s capital value rises by 2.5% on average every year for 10 years, the assets value would be $1.28M.
In this bleak scenario,it can be easily seen that the investor has not made a loss at all.

Shrieking and screaming,quoting big scary numbers,spraying the joint in pink ink,doesn’t change these simple facts.



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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

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Like Whale, a reduction in property value of 2% means just as much as a reduction of 100%, ... if you don't own a residential property, and you are never likely too.Embarrassed

For the people who do own property, it's $500 billion +, and it WILL effect everyone, even the parasitic Housos.

Now you just stay stupid, and keep collecting welfare ... the adults will keep working out how we will be able to continue making enough money, so we can pay enough tax that we can afford to keep a roof over your head, ok !Thumbs Up

you sure about that ? 

Pretty sure!
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Take the bet then ,big man behind a keyboard LOL
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Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Ok, it’s clear that our village idiot doesn’t understand the compounding concept at all.

I deliberately chose a very low rate to demonstrate that even if capital appreciation occurred at extremely low levels you still don’t lose money.
Poor old stupid confirmed his belief that a rate of only 2.5% would be a farcically low return.

So if we start today with an asset of $1M, and it’s capital value rises by 2.5% on average every year for 10 years, the assets value would be $1.28M.
In this bleak scenario,it can be easily seen that the investor has not made a loss at all.

Shrieking and screaming,quoting big scary numbers,spraying the joint in pink ink,doesn’t change these simple facts.




Very good!

Yes $1million is worth approximately $1.28 million if you apply 2.5% per annum compounding interest.

Any moron can do that, and you have proved it. So what.

Now, seeing that the point of the whole conversation, is to ascertain what likely damage ALP policy will have on those asset values - you clearly are NOT arguing against that - try to apply the loss in capital value and the loss in return, and give us a few examples of the cost to property owners.

Oh wait, no need, I have already done that for you.

So what would an appropriate expectation of residential property capital growth rates actually be if not 2.5% p.a., without this pointless ALP tinkering?

What are the advantages of the ALP's proposed changes, other than to ramp up the support of envious welfare parasites? Quantify.

What are the risks? Quantify. (only if you disagree with my assertions of course).   

You see, if you want to have a discussion with adults, and you disagree with their assertions, you must articulate an alternative outcome ... you can't just sit there tearing up the paperwork and chewing on your crayons and screaming NO!!! ... or you will look like a dick head.Embarrassed 
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

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Like Whale, a reduction in property value of 2% means just as much as a reduction of 100%, ... if you don't own a residential property, and you are never likely too.Embarrassed

For the people who do own property, it's $500 billion +, and it WILL effect everyone, even the parasitic Housos.

Now you just stay stupid, and keep collecting welfare ... the adults will keep working out how we will be able to continue making enough money, so we can pay enough tax that we can afford to keep a roof over your head, ok !Thumbs Up

you sure about that ? 

Pretty sure!

Take the bet then ,big man behind a keyboard LOL
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Sigh. I give up ... Gotta admit, nice place you have there ... plenty of potential for a reno or an extension too!LOL

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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Ok, it’s clear that our village idiot doesn’t understand the compounding concept at all.

I deliberately chose a very low rate to demonstrate that even if capital appreciation occurred at extremely low levels you still don’t lose money.
Poor old stupid confirmed his belief that a rate of only 2.5% would be a farcically low return.

So if we start today with an asset of $1M, and it’s capital value rises by 2.5% on average every year for 10 years, the assets value would be $1.28M.
In this bleak scenario,it can be easily seen that the investor has not made a loss at all.

Shrieking and screaming,quoting big scary numbers,spraying the joint in pink ink,doesn’t change these simple facts.





Very good!

Yes $1million is worth approximately $1.28 million if you apply 2.5% per annum compounding interest.

Any moron can do that, and you have proved it. So what.

Now, seeing that the point of the whole conversation, is to ascertain what likely damage ALP policy will have on those asset values - you clearly are NOT arguing against that - try to apply the loss in capital value and the loss in return, and give us a few examples of the cost to property owners.

Oh wait, no need, I have already done that for you.

So what would an appropriate expectation of residential property capital growth rates actually be if not 2.5% p.a., without this pointless ALP tinkering?

What are the advantages of the ALP's proposed changes, other than to ramp up the support of envious welfare parasites? Quantify.

What are the risks? Quantify. (only if you disagree with my assertions of course).   

You see, if you want to have a discussion with adults, and you disagree with their assertions, you must articulate an alternative outcome ... you can't just sit there tearing up the paperwork and chewing on your crayons and screaming NO!!! ... or you will look like a dick head.Embarrassed 
clearly any moron couldn't do it it.
It was beyond you.
You have screamed time and time again that it would cause investors to lose money.clearly it doesn't.
I posted earlier that investors would not lose money,but would earn a lower return and you thought it was retarded logic.
So now you think that's right?

Until you can focus,and just stick to one position,you will continue to look and sound like an unhinged fool.

Until you can understand that a lower rate of return isn't a loss,then you will continue to clog up the thread with inane comments.

On what rationale should capital gains taxes be discounted?
Cos it's good for you?

If you want to try and have an adult debate,stick to the issue being discussed
Foaming atthe mouth about welfare or whatever just shows your emotionally disturbed.
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

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Like Whale, a reduction in property value of 2% means just as much as a reduction of 100%, ... if you don't own a residential property, and you are never likely too.Embarrassed

For the people who do own property, it's $500 billion +, and it WILL effect everyone, even the parasitic Housos.

Now you just stay stupid, and keep collecting welfare ... the adults will keep working out how we will be able to continue making enough money, so we can pay enough tax that we can afford to keep a roof over your head, ok !Thumbs Up

you sure about that ? 

Pretty sure!

Take the bet then ,big man behind a keyboard LOL

Sigh. I give up ... Gotta admit, nice place you have there ... plenty of potential for a reno or an extension too!LOL

Image result for man sleeping in box
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Very good but not taking up the bet ?  All mouth I guess Thumbs Up
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Whale, nobody cares to bet with you ... how can I possibly afford to be involved in your "High Stakes" games?LOL

What did you say? ... $100k? ... you can't be too confident then, can you? ... or is that some multiple of your total net worth?Embarrassed

It's all relative I guess ...

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Sorry Whale, we are not in the same ballpark, on any measure.
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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rusty, a simple "Rrrrreeeee!!!" would have sufficed - do you think I'm going to bother to read the ramblings of a blithering idiot?

Just go away, you are wasting the time of the intelligent people.
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Sorry Whale, we are not in the same ballpark, on any measure.

true but I don't look down upon you because of your inferior status Wink
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Sorry Whale, we are not in the same ballpark, on any measure.

true but I don't look down upon you because of your inferior status Wink

Thank you.
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

rusty, a simple "Rrrrreeeee!!!" would have sufficed - do you think I'm going to bother to read the ramblings of a blithering idiot?

Just go away, you are wasting the time of the intelligent people.

Excellent response. :)
When you have nothing left,stick your head in the sand and declare victory.

It’s my bad, what a ridiculous notion it was to try and engage you in a rational conversation.
But at least now you’ve admitted you’re wrong.
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Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

rusty, a simple "Rrrrreeeee!!!" would have sufficed - do you think I'm going to bother to read the ramblings of a blithering idiot?

Just go away, you are wasting the time of the intelligent people.

Excellent response. :)
When you have nothing left,stick your head in the sand and declare victory.

It’s my bad, what a ridiculous notion it was to try and engage you in a rational conversation.
But at least now you’ve admitted you’re wrong.

Yes. I'm wrong, you are right ... now please piss off you time wasting fool.
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Doc admitted he lost an argument Shocked
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Doc admitted he lost an argument Shocked


Clever Man Doc.     . Saved him buying Fly spray.
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