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<h1 itemprop="line name">Morry Schwartz is out of 'toppy' property market</h1>




He had to escape any 1989 crash , If he had half a brain , Keating had interest rates at about 18% ,   So it was obviously going to work eventually.
The crash didn't last long , a time in recession and off went the Real Estate frenzy again.
Schwartz should have billions and be putting his feet up.

Don't panic -------In very few years ,    Another couple of million from the middle east will do wonders for OZ property prices .   They have to have a roof over the head
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Just discovered this station, great for discussions about shares, property, money in general

Channel 95

Auction Day

Saturday 6th October at 6:00 pm (60 minutes)
The only Australian real estate show featuring live auctions, Auction Day is your essential guide to the nation's hottest real estate, featuring expert advice on buying, selling, investing and improv

Anything of interest Whale?

Was there a sponsorship disclosure, a lot of these programs are sponsored - doesn't mean that the advice is not relevant.

This guy, Sam Henderson, hosted a sponsored show, and he had a lot of sound info and tips, but ended up losing it all ...

Lies and fakery led to celebrity financial adviser’s crushing downfall
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:


<h1 itemprop="line name">Morry Schwartz is out of 'toppy' property market</h1>




He had to escape any 1989 crash , If he had half a brain , Keating had interest rates at about 18% ,   So it was obviously going to work eventually.
The crash didn't last long , a time in recession and off went the Real Estate frenzy again.
Schwartz should have billions and be putting his feet up.

Don't panic -------In very few years ,    Another couple of million from the middle east will do wonders for OZ property prices .   They have to have a roof over the head

Many Property Developers do not have a clue about property investment ... it's related, but builders are just trying to create something and then sell it quickly at a profit. 

Investors take a long term hold view, or else they are actually speculators, not investors at all.
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Doc... The developers have percentages during construction where they need such things as purchasers off the plan etc to keep the works finance rolling.        They create oversupply like the goods on the shelf at Woolies , some customers might go else where.
The Unit /Villa / Townhouses schemes are going up faster than good sorts skirts ,   Brisbane to North side ATM.   
There won't be oversupply when/ if the customer base isn't being imported and financed by desperate Oz Government.

I see One worry emerging, the USA is going so well , crushing the Ozzie Dollar value, will make money dearer and harder to get.
     Called ..    TRUMPING their A r C E    (The haters)
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Housing prices could fall as much as 15 per cent, peak to trough

Agreed, we are about half way there now - you can double that if the ALP/Greens are elected, costing us Trillions.Thumbs Down
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<span style="color: rgb255, 255, 255; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; : rgb38, 45, 49;">Housing prices could fall as much as 15 per cent, peak to trough</span>

Agreed, we are about half way there now - you can double that if the ALP/Greens are elected, costing us Trillions.Thumbs Down


Most times during cycles are stagnant prices or minor falls and buyers only suffer the frenzy when everyone else gets bitten by the same bug.
We have bad Government in Oz and energy , fuel and House prices are enough to have everyone shaking in the shoes.
Sydney , Melbourne are slow ATM .     as usual, but over time we have to House all these imports and with tradies fast becoming the costly services we need " Tradiecare " .
Not hard to see what the future holds for Homebuyers .    Prepare for 100 year mortgages or part thereof.
Governments need the Building Industry Taxes more than people need a roof over their head.
Public Housing is coming to a Park near you.    
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Who's going to pay for public housing? ... maybe if we got rid of some public servants!

In spite of the fact that the ALP/Greens Socialist honestly believe that if you b=need money, the government will hand it out, the fact is that there is only so much money we generate as a nation to go around ... and now that the USA have stopped being suckers, the UN wants to fleece us of as much of that as they can "URGENTLY" for the developing countries to implement renewable energy - oh except for China and india who can double their emmissions every year for the next 12 years if they wish - PLUS they have just told us we MUST stop exporting coal and cattle and start eating lettuce and ride puch bikes ... there will be no money for public housing, or even for public servants ... oh, but the aged pension and other welfare measures will have to go first of course!Dead
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Public Housing has long years of waiting lists.      Governments allow their tenants to trash whole blocks of housing.
   Investors are keeping the ships afloat and suffering the uncivalised wreckers who make up a large percentage of renters.

Governments keep bringing them in with no where to house or employ them.
      Unsustainable.
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Banks giving excessive loans based on doctored info, mobile bankers, mortgage brokers, all part of the problem

Banker to stand trial over involvement in $170m home loan swindle


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Old news, but great to see the system working - and not because of the WOFTAM Banking RC - they've been caught by the regulator, one is in jail already, and they won't be doing it again in a hurry. Be interesting to see who the "victims" are - most likely all crooks themselves, who couldn't get loans on their merit because they couldn't prove dodgy income ... 
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I saw an interesting debate on the upcoming election and how to attack Labor.
Billy Shorten is going to make houses affordable and attack the negative gearing side of that industry as step one...    BIG MISTAKE
Almost 70% of Australians own / or are buying Houses ,    I'm sure the news their value will drop big time, would have Morrison on 50/50.
   He could win from there.    
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

   I saw an interesting debate on the upcoming election and how to attack Labor.
Billy Shorten is going to make houses affordable and attack the negative gearing side of that industry as step one...    BIG MISTAKE
Almost 70% of Australians own / or are buying Houses ,    I'm sure the news their value will drop big time, would have Morrison on 50/50.
   He could win from there.    

No he can’t.
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Housing prices are already heading south (in Sydney anyway). If Shortens got any brains at all he will stay well clear of changing negative gearing. NOTHING is more important to Australians than their property value.
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I’m selling one on the leafy north shore at the moment.

Hope they’re wrong
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Housing prices are already heading south (in Sydney anyway). If Shortens got any brains at all he will stay well clear of changing negative gearing. NOTHING is more important to Australians than their property value.

The challenge for the ALP is to gag and hide Bullgelati Bill for the next 6 months!

Maybe they could send him on a junket to visit the Saudi Embassy in Turkey!Big smile
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:


Housing prices are already heading south (in Sydney anyway). If Shortens got any brains at all he will stay well clear of changing negative gearing. NOTHING is more important to Australians than their property value.


The challenge for the ALP is to gag and hide Bullgelati Bill for the next 6 months!

Maybe they could send him on a junket to visit the Saudi Embassy in Turkey!Big smile

Or hide him in the same room as Dutton.
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

I saw an interesting debate on the upcoming election and how to attack Labor.
Billy Shorten is going to make houses affordable and attack the negative gearing side of that industry as step one...    BIG MISTAKE
Almost 70% of Australians own / or are buying Houses ,    I'm sure the news their value will drop big time, would have Morrison on 50/50.
   He could win from there.    

macca, I've been telling you this since before the last election.

The ALP/Greens policy will strip more than $500 billion from the value of property over the 10 years post implementation, for a claimed tax benefit of $32 billion ... that's right ...

COST PROPERTY OWNERS/BUYERS ... $500 billion 
 
TAX GRAB BY ALP ... $32 billion.Confused

It simply doesn't add up, but go and read their policy, and the findings of their own McKell and Grattan Institutes ... their own numbers confirm, and they acknowledge that it will have a "minor" (half a TRILLION DOLLARS minor) negative effect on property values!!!

... and that is their BEST GUESS!

SHORTENOMICS.Clown

Prosecuted properly by ScoMo ... who wants to elect FONC Shorten, and lose >10% of their property value? ... on top of the current falling market trend? ... add the theft of cash from Self Funded Retirees? ... yes, he can and must win ... or we will be on our way to becoming a Socialist gelati Hole.

This will be bigger than asylum seekers drowning at sea!  
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

I saw an interesting debate on the upcoming election and how to attack Labor.
Billy Shorten is going to make houses affordable and attack the negative gearing side of that industry as step one...    BIG MISTAKE
Almost 70% of Australians own / or are buying Houses ,    I'm sure the news their value will drop big time, would have Morrison on 50/50.
   He could win from there.    


macca, I've been telling you this since before the last election.

The ALP/Greens policy will strip more than $500 billion from the value of property over the 10 years post implementation, for a claimed tax benefit of $32 billion ... that's right ...

COST PROPERTY OWNERS/BUYERS ... $500 billion 
 
TAX GRAB BY ALP ... $32 billion.Confused

It simply doesn't add up, but go and read their policy, and the findings of their own McKell and Grattan Institutes ... their own numbers confirm, and they acknowledge that it will have a "minor" (half a TRILLION DOLLARS minor) negative effect on property values!!!

... and that is their BEST GUESS!

SHORTENOMICS.Clown

Prosecuted properly by ScoMo ... who wants to elect FONC Shorten, and lose >10% of their property value? ... on top of the current falling market trend? ... add the theft of cash from Self Funded Retirees? ... yes, he can and must win ... or we will be on our way to becoming a Socialist gelati Hole.

This will be bigger than asylum seekers drowning at sea!  

Got a link that supports these numbers?
You quote $500B, what’s that as a percentage?is it across the board or are certain sectors more effected than others?
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Negative equity: 386,000 home owners owe the bank more than the value of their home

DAVID ROSSOCT 19, 2018

Almost 9 per cent of mortgage holders are now underwater with their home loans, as falling house prices push them into negative equity, new research has shown.

These homeowners have seen their mortgages barely budge as their homes decline in value, leaving them with a loan bigger than the value of their property.

xperts say it’s first-home buyers who struggled to get a toehold on the housing ladder at the peak of the market who are now most likely to find themselves with negative equity.

The research from Roy Morgan found the number of borrowers with little or no real equity in their home has increased by 12 per cent since last year.

www.domain.com.au/money-markets/first-home-buyers-being-pushed-into-negative-equity-as-falling-house-prices-bite-775484/?utm_campaign=featured-masthead&utm_source=watoday&utm_medium=link

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Read my post slowly rusty.

Then do your own research, just like I did, and then you can feel free to discredit my findings... or not.
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if the electorate is dumb enough to put labor in power....well they are just dumb!

if bs keeps that up, he will be replaced, befor e the election.
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Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

Negative equity: 386,000 home owners owe the bank more than the value of their home

DAVID ROSSOCT 19, 2018

Almost 9 per cent of mortgage holders are now underwater with their home loans, as falling house prices push them into negative equity, new research has shown.

These homeowners have seen their mortgages barely budge as their homes decline in value, leaving them with a loan bigger than the value of their property.

xperts say it’s first-home buyers who struggled to get a toehold on the housing ladder at the peak of the market who are now most likely to find themselves with negative equity.

The research from Roy Morgan found the number of borrowers with little or no real equity in their home has increased by 12 per cent since last year.

www.domain.com.au/money-markets/first-home-buyers-being-pushed-into-negative-equity-as-falling-house-prices-bite-775484/?utm_campaign=featured-masthead&utm_source=watoday&utm_medium=link


Happens all the time ... all part of the cycle!

I remember when I built a home in 1993 - when it was completed, I couldn't have sold it for what I had spent on it! ... more than doubled in value twice since then.
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Read my post slowly rusty.

Then do your own research, just like I did, and then you can feel free to discredit my findings... or not.

So that’s a no,you don’t have a link.
If you did proper research you would be able to quote specifics.
But you didn’t,so you can’t.
And if you did,but you won’t,then there’s something seriously wrong with you.

If you can’t answer a straight forward question,you are better not to respond,rather than confirm that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Why do you need to turn everything into a confrontation?
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yes doc, i was part of that cycle as well, but i find the scary part is there are soooo
 many more players, and there has been a huge increase in population, which obviously wasnt anticipated.

And the concept of superannuation has accelerated it. Who doesnt have multiple houses, for nest eggs, rental income, negative gearing.....thirty years ago super didnt exist.

which i find interesting, as what were the governments, bureaucrats, public servants, bureau of stats, demographers  thinking when they said thay wanted an increase. Its happened,ing and they havent planned for it.

Have they shot aus in the foot?



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a comment taken from a news site.

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I was a bond analyst, an Australia share portfolio manager and then managed international share portfolios. I have an honours in fiancee too.

1) The RETURN on EQUITY for Australia and US corporate sectors have remained very high since the mid 1990's or about 20 years. The same 20 years have seen much LOWER general interest rate levels ( for both short and long interest rate terms). Lower interest rate means much easier for projects/investments to make profits as cost of borrowing is lower. So the Return on Equity should be lower with lower interest rate.

2) However the gouging for higher profits by business sector in the last 20 years has perversely led to MIS-allocation of resources and capitals as Finance 101 would say. This means, ironically, less investment is by businesses as business sector continues to expect extraordinary Return on Equity level when it should not. Or in another word, otherwise worthwhile investments if business had not been this greedy with expectation of high Return on Equity have been lost to Australia and indeed, USA. This is also why China's economy is streaking away from both Australia and USA in the last 2 decades.

3) That is, the greed of the business sector has contributed to not just lower real wages but also lower real investments otherwise would have happened. The business sector in Australia in the last 20 years have been KILLING off Australia economy slowly by its own greed.

4) Aussie business sector has been proven that they do not have intentions to invest properly. So they should not continue to keep precious capital and should instead release it in the form of HIGHER dividends and Higher WAGES so ordinary people could use it and save it for those not all that greedy to start new investments for the betterment of the whole economy.

5) Current crop of Aussie business leaders as well as Liberal/National politicians as ANIT-BUSINESS. They are shooting their own foot...."

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Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Read my post slowly rusty.

Then do your own research, just like I did, and then you can feel free to discredit my findings... or not.

So that’s a no,you don’t have a link.
If you did proper research you would be able to quote specifics.
But you didn’t,so you can’t.
And if you did,but you won’t,then there’s something seriously wrong with you.

If you can’t answer a straight forward question,you are better not to respond,rather than confirm that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Why do you need to turn everything into a confrontation?*
* very funny coming from a stalker who contributes nothing other than abuse! Clap Related image

What part of "It simply doesn't add up, but go and read their policy, and the findings of their own McKell and Grattan Institutes" is too difficult for you to understand.

Don't be stupid and lazy.


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start here and follow the dots ... no more hints.

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Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Read my post slowly rusty.

Then do your own research, just like I did, and then you can feel free to discredit my findings... or not.

So that’s a no,you don’t have a link.
If you did proper research you would be able to quote specifics.
But you didn’t,so you can’t.
And if you did,but you won’t,then there’s something seriously wrong with you.

If you can’t answer a straight forward question,you are better not to respond,rather than confirm that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Why do you need to turn everything into a confrontation?

i know how you feel rusty.

have been asking the same questions over on the american politics thread.

Confrontation? thought that was YOUR middle name. or is that whales middle name.....

perhaps you can answer here rusty; apart from price what is the differences in steel?
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