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oneonesit
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That's a touch too confusing for me Judge. Give me a few examples
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Dr E
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Negative Gearing contributed to the "problem" - how? A policy whose time is up? - why? We have low unemployment, leading health care and education, low unemployment, stable growth, and we enjoy all of the trappings of modernity. We are the envy of the world, we have had one of the leading economies in the world for 3 decades, we are the second wealthiest country in the world, people are literally risking their lives to come here ... and the Lying Labor/Greens threaten to move the goalposts to con a handful of entitled victims with some "experimental" uncosted policies of envy, so they can have a turn at the wheel ... because ... "It's Fairer"... if you were visiting from Outer Space and someone old you that, you would laugh uncontrollably! First time in surplus in over a decade, and you want to hand it back to the "usual suspects", who other than Rudd/Gillard and Rudd, are all the same faces who engineered the near destruction of the economy last time LEAD BY THE FAILED LABOR FINANCE MINISTER - tell me this is a script from a comedy, right? ... yeah, makes perfect sense, especially since Bill and Ben refuse to say HOW MUCH IT WILL ALL COST??? None the less, and out of respect for a good "Conspiracy Theory" ... who's the "bogeyman" in your opinion judge? Do you think Turnbull will be the next UN Secretary-General ... It really was a gift for him when Labor refused to push for Rudd when he raised his hand ...
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Whale
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JudgeHolden
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Admittedly this came later than I expected, but I think that only means it’s going to last longer. And hurt more.
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rusty nails
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Hey Dummy,why can’t you understand it’s just a projected surplus, it hasn’t happened! Every year for 6 years they say next year! You poor simple fool,they didn’t engineer a near destruction of the economy, they ensured we were the only country in the world not to suffer a recession after the GFC. They left the economy in such a state that the incoming treasurer swore we would be in surplus in a year. And they’ve been promising the same every year since. They are either hopelessly incompetent, or bald faced liars. Which one Doc? |
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rusty nails
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Hey Doc, remember the deficit bus?
Debt was evil, the Libs were going to save the country from destruction and pay it down? Guess what debt levels they inherited? Guess what debt load they are going to hand over? .......shameless carnival spruikers........... |
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Dr E
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FYI oneone First Home Buyer in Sydney - some facts. June 2011 - BEFORE THE LATEST "BOOM" Borrowing $570k = 95% loan of average Sydney house price $600k 3 year fixed rate loan repayment = $4,108 month Required deposit and costs = $55,000 approx. January 2019 - DURING CURRENT "CORRECTION" Borrowing $798k = 95% loan of average house price $840k 3 year fixed loan loan repayment = $3,855 month Required deposit and costs = $77,000 approx. Summary; It's significantly cheaper to pay off an average Sydney Home today than it was 8 years ago. The average wage is about 20% higher. The required savings for a deposit and Stamp Duty increases by approx $22,000 or about 6 months of loan repayments. If Labor is elected and prices drop 16% it would save FHBuyers about $10,000 in required upfront costs and their repayments would be about $3,208 per month or $900 PER MONTH CHEAPER THAN THE 2011 First Home Buyer!! - but the seller would have lost $134,000 on their sale price. Why are First Home Buyers so entitled and hard done by again? Sorry, who is Bill Shorten trying to con by making things "fairer"??? All he is doing is DESTROYING WEALTH ... and there is NEVER A GOOD TIME TO DESTROY WEALTH! hmmm, sounds like Socialism 101. |
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rusty nails
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IF.......
If your auntie had balls,she’d be your uncle...... You keep throwing up these huge reductions in value,and can’t come close to quantifying how. Cmon Doc, throw us a couple of gems from your guru Bushy...... |
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Dr E
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So in 7.5 years Sydney values have gone up 40% or a bit under 5% p.a. - fairly predictable growth rates, a little on the light side, but there is a lot of fear in the market about the threat of a Labor/Greens WEALTH DESTRUCTION Government.
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Dr E
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There's a buzzing sound in here ... any news of the LABOR/GREENS RETIREE TAX ASSET DESTRUCTION POLICY?
How much will the Welfare Bill Skyrocket? What will the SHAREMARKET CRASH look like?
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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rusty nails
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Cmon Doc,you’re the only one who’s suggesting the market topped out in the last few months, that makes you look pretty dumb. The market pretty much started to dive when it was apparent that the far right nutters were going for Turnbulls scalp. And how is ensuring this country was the only one in the world to avoid a recession,destructing wealth........ Tell us again about the national debt, why was it a crisis under ALP, but can double under the Libs and that’s ok..... |
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rusty nails
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The buzzing noise? Oh oh, Docs hearing noises in his head again. Lucky lobotomy’s are illegal these days |
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Dr E
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I wonder what "rustard A.nal-limpdicks" will have to say about this ridiculous article that says that higher taxes on residential property will push values down even more ...?
Oh and the market peaked at about Q4 2017 in the recent cycle ... for the dummies. Growth at that point for the period since June 2011 6.25 years was about 60% or nearly 10% p.a. - yep the threat of a LABOR/GREENS WEALTH DESTROYING GOVERNMENT is hurting the value of EVERYONE's MAJOR ASSET AROUND THE COUNTRY!!! HEY! ... WHEN IS IT A "GOOD" TIME TO DESTROY WEALTH??? Labor policies to exacerbate home slump: Moody’s AnalyticsSydney and Melbourne housing prices are set to decline almost 10 per cent before the market starts to recover in 2020 but it could all become unravelled by changes to negative gearing, according to forecasts by Moody’s Analytics. Housing price falls have outpaced units in 2019, which have fallen 9 per cent and 6 per cent respectively. Most capital cities have stabilised or experienced slowing declines over the past 12 months, with only Perth and Darwin the exception to the rule as they continue to correct. Sydney is forecast to fall a further 9.3 per cent this year, on top of the 5.5 per cent falls in 2018. The combined two-year fall of 14.8 per cent will outpace the 2017 rise of 12.8 per cent that took the city to its peak. Unit declines will slow to 5.9 per cent in 2019. A similar story is being written in Melbourne, with house values forecast to decline sharply in 2019, after a modest correction in 2018. The unit market is also expected to recover in 2020, following a sharp slowdown last year. The apartment glut that caused unit prices in Brisbane plummet 18 months ago has been absorbed. Unit values are tipped to recover by 0.9 per cent in 2019, followed by stronger growth of 5.8 per cent in 2020. Housing in Hobart is set for a forecast price rise of 4 per cent, while Adelaide’s growth should be more modest at 1 per cent. Perth will likely decline 7.6 per cent in 2019. Changes to negative gearing in the next 12 months would change the forecasts causing sharper declines and with ripple effects to hit Australian hip pockets, said Moody’s Analytics. Labor’s proposed reforms to negative gearing and capital gains tax, to be introduced on January 1 should Bill Shorten win next month’s election, will extend the correction timeline and cause the housing market to further worsen. Moody’s Analytics forecasters predict that in the current economic environment, housing declines will slow in the third quarter of 2019 before the market begins to recover in 2020. “The opposition Labor Party has proposed that it will scale back negative gearing for new investors if it comes to power,” a Moody’s Analytics report says. “If this policy were implemented within the first year of the opposition entering office, already-slowing conditions in the investor segment of the market would be exacerbated. “Investors have been relatively more impacted than owner-occupiers in the past three years amid tightening of lending conditions that has contributed to the slowdown in home values. “As investor participation had already slowed, national home values would be expected to reach a slightly deeper trough and have a slower recovery, particularly in the markets where investor participation is higher than the national average, including Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane.” House prices have fallen 9.3 per cent since the peak of 2017. However prices are still 20 per cent higher than they were in 2013. Should the housing market slide further than expected, a negative wealth effect will add to the current concerns over tightened lending by banks and less investor activity, and its impact on Australian’s spending habits, Moody’s Analytics predicts. Lower consumer sentiment would likely cause consumption to drop and the overall unemployment rate to rise, culminating in a 25-basis point rate cut by the September quarter. “Annual household consumption slowed to 2 per cent in the fourth quarter from about 3 per cent in late 2017 and early 2018,” said the report. “Households turning more cautious in this environment is reflected in the household saving ratio increasing to 2.2 per cent, but it is not far off its 12-year low. “Residential construction was down by 3.4 per cent quarter over quarter in the December quarter, an indication of the nationwide slowdown in the residential property market.” Last year marked the 27th year of recession-free growth, and it was solid, with GDP growth coming in at 2.8 per cent. Despite unemployment trending evenly around 5 per cent in 2018, a slow labour market meant only modest improvements in wage growth. |
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Dr E
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Please, who would expect ANY of these feckless LABOR/GREENS parasites to have a clue about policy, or costings, business plans, numbers or "Ekermernomics 'n Stuff"???
THE WHOLE POLICY IS BASED ON WRONG NUMBERS!!!
The good news is that the Electric Cars Embarrassment from "8 Minute Bill Shorten" has seen THAT "policy" shafted, and made into an "Aspiration ... not a policy, was never a policy!!!" No, no, no, no, no ... maybe this one will go too! But this is GOLD! ... this useless dope has had this policy for 4 years ... they have not reviewed it, changed nothing incidentally, so the proposed tax grab is just a fraud! ... he still can't explain anything that is more than a 3 word slogan ... AUSTRALIA'S TREASURER? NO THANKS! Bowen caught out on numbersOpposition Treasury spokesman Chris Bowen has been caught using inaccurate figures to promote Labor’s negative gearing policy, after the Australian Bureau of Statistics denied claims it had produced data showing that only 7 per cent of property investors bought new homes. Mr Bowen’s use of ABS data has also been challenged by the Grattan Institute, a public policy think tank, which has argued that 14 per cent of investors buy new properties rather than existing ones — an estimate that is double what Labor has claimed. Mr Bowen, Labor’s chief economic salesman, has repeatedly referred to ABS figures purportedly showing that negative gearing has failed to promote construction in new housing and create jobs. “The most recent Australian Bureau of Statistics data shows that 93 per cent of new investment loans go to people purchasing existing housing stock,” he said as recently as January. “This means that the vast bulk of investment does not increase supply or boost jobs. “All it does is increase demand and the price of the existing homes, allowing investors to use tax subsidies to outbid owner-occupiers and first-home buyers.” But ABS financial statistics analyst Tony Mitchell said the agency did not collate the figures Mr Bowen had been referring to since 2016. “If you wanted to have those numbers you wouldn’t be able to get them from our statistics because we don’t collect them,” Mr Mitchell told The Australian.OOOPS!!! “We’ve got a little bit about construction, but it is to do with lending to businesses for construction of investment dwellings. It is not to do with lending to households for construction of investment dwellings. “There is nothing about lending for newly constructed dwellings. That is included in other statistics, but you can’t break it out.” Mr Bowen was forced to clarify his costings with the Parliamentary Budget Office after the property industry claimed his numbers were wrong and that could impact on the claimed savings from Labor’s policy. The PBO has estimated that Labor’s policies to reform negative gearing and the capital gains tax discount will raise $2.9 billion over the forward estimates and $35.1bn over the decade. “The PBO stands by the costing,” Mr Bowen said. “The PBO consulted with the ABS, the RBA and major banks in order to estimate the proportion of investor lending for the purpose of existing housing. “The PBO costing has relied on ABS data on owner-occupier lending with other data sources, including unpublished data by the RBA regarding lending to households for residential property investment, and other surveys of investor lending.” Housing Industry of Australia principal economist Tim Reardon said anecdotal evidence suggested that the number of investors who bought new properties was at least 30 per cent. “We know intuitively that 7 per cent number that Bowen is quoting is wrong,” Mr Reardon said. “Last year there were 70,000 apartments sold in Australia and we know from talking to developers that at least half of those went to investors, possibly as high as 60 per cent.” Grattan Institute director Danielle Wood said the independent think tank had estimated that more investors bought new properties than Labor was claiming. “It is right that you can’t directly calculate it from the ABS data because some of the finance is going into homes that are newly constructed and you can’t see the split between investors and owner-occupiers for that category,” Ms Wood said. She said there would be a budget impact if the PBO based its assumptions on the figures Labor was claiming, as more investors would be eligible to receive the tax subsidy. “It would have an impact on the costing but I can’t imagine that it is going to be very large in the scheme of things,” Ms Wood said. Josh Frydenberg declined to comment yesterday, as he was rolling around on the ground in uncontrollable fits of laughter. |
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Dr E
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GET IT RIGHT YOU VIRTUE SIGNALLING IMPOSTER! Opposition Treasury spokesman Chris Bowen has been caught using inaccurate figures to promote Labor’s negative gearing policy, after the Australian Bureau of Statistics denied claims it had produced data showing that only 7 per cent of property investors bought new homes Mr Bowen’s use of ABS data has also been challenged by the Grattan Institute, a public policy think tank, which has argued that 14 per cent of investors buy new properties rather than existing ones — an estimate that is double what Labor has claimed. FFSake Mr Bowen - THE GRATTAN INSTITUTE IS CALLING YOUR BULLgelati OUT - THEY DESIGNED THE POLICY, AND YOU LIE ABOUT IT!!! This problem has been identified by a large number of reviews and policy experts such as the Henry Review, the Government’s own Financial System Review and the Grattan Institute.
Economist Saul Eslake, one of the leading thinkers on housing affordability in Australia has noted that: “after the Howard Government’s 1999 decision to tax capital gains at half the rate applicable to other income (instead of taxing inflation-adjusted capital gains at a taxpayer’s full marginal rate), ‘negative gearing’ became a vehicle for permanently reducing, as well as deferring, personal tax liabilities” Housing affordability The capital gains tax discount and negative gearing have also given investors an unfair advantage over first home buyers. In 2015 investors outnumbered owner-occupiers in new housing loans for the first time. Australia also has some of the most generous taxation concessions for housing investments amongst all advanced economies. In recent years this helped fuel an investor driven property boom, leaving more and more young people and first home buyers unable to purchase a home. The interaction of negative gearing and the capital gains tax discount has also encouraged speculative behaviour exposing the economy to unnecessary levels of financial risk. The Grattan Institute:
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rusty nails
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Oh deary me, someone’s made a mess of themselves last night.
Police have to come around for a welfare check again? Poor old Doc, quoting biased political opinion dressed up as fact. As least we know Rupert is doing his best. OK for this foreigner to influence votes ? Next stage he’ll be quoting from that renowned economic genius Alan Jones..... |
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Not sure if Doc answered this so I’m bumping it up |
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You LEFTIES need BOttlabotomies . You sleep while the House burns .
Let me save you ... Sell up and move to the Racing Section. |
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oneonesit
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Great stuff. Log off around 8pm last night & wake up to all this. Doc wiping the floor with a few. Plus i get a laugh. Whatever the Mayor pays you Doc its not enough
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maccamax
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Our WINX of TBV knows how to get the message across , WHAT a Colourful character.... enough to make me vote LNP. |
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Oh look, here's Doc's underlings, leading the charge for their leader. Good work boys
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JudgeHolden
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Speaking of cycles. What do you reckon this one is, lunar? It builds and builds and then all of the toys start coming out of the cot again
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having found my God..... WINX The destructive Religions are imploding , but along comes some new cults to re ignite that style of destructive imagination. The latest is Climate Change & Global Warming , Bonking Billy and the Greens are only messengers or High Priests of that BS. They fight their wars with influences on Private Lives . Destroy by wrecking Real Estate values and taking your Car away from you. We need to be saved from these Devils ... Don't let them Colour your vision. AMEN |
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What astonishing , unbalanced, screaming rants by Doc last night. Must have drunk a bottle of red cordial in addition to his usual 2 bottles of alcohol and medication which is obviously not working. Sad
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I actually thought he was improving, 1 step forward, 5 steps back
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Doc flushes them out , aye . . Champion .
He even over rules the powerful induced Coma's of Team PT. |
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DON'T PANIC!!! ... You gullible bed wetters make it sound like you are living in Venezuela or North Korea or South Africa ... or Europe!!! You do understand that our current position is the equivalent of someone earning $100k p.a. owing $5k on their credit card ... CALM DOWN!!! The LNP has managed debt, given you, the highest levels of quality of life, maintained our position as the 2nd WEALTHIEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, PAID FOR ALL OF YOUR EDUCATION AND HEALTH CARE AND INCREASED $$$'s FOR THAT EXPONENTIALLY, BY FUNDING THE NDIS AND THE PBS, just as small examples. In the meantime, they have delivered a budget that will be in SURPLUS, AND ENABLE THE DEBT TO BE RETIRED OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS! Yep, the economic expertise of the LNP has enabled them to make good on their promise, and have us; BACK IN THE BLACK BABY!!! ... aren't you glad you asked? Oh, and btw, AS EVERY LABOR/GREENS POLICY IS SCRUTINISED IT IS BEING DEBUNKED AS A FANTASY - THEY WILL NEVER PRODUCE A SURPLUS, LET ALONE REDUCE DEBT - IT'S IN THEIR DNA. |
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Dr E
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Gees buddy, why so angry? Most of the stuff that exposes Bullgelati Bill and his Buddies AS LIARS that I post is sourced from YOUR ABC ... you may have intentionally missed this one ... I think they would find you MISLEADING too, for what it's worth! Bill Shorten says the Government has cut nearly $2 billion from aged-care services. Is he correct?RMIT ABC Fact Check Updated Tue at 1:50pm |
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So, what Doc is saying is that when the Libs were in opposition, their hysterical stance on national debt was a cynical lie they founded their campaign on.
And now the shoe is on the other foot, we should totally ignore they’ve doubled the debt , and to focus on their claims that ALP will take the utes off tradies ( car companies say that’s silly) and steal everyone’s weekends...... Seriously, who could take them seriously....... Couldn’t even organise dunnies in the PMs electorate. |
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You are so insightful on so many levels oneone! ... definitely "not enough" ... but hey, he can reward us all by making sure everyone he knows, is aware of the truth about this LABOR/GREENS FRAUD, their LIES and potential for ECONOMIC TERRORISM! #nevershorten
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