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Aus Test squad v Sri Lanka: Tim Paine (c), Josh Hazlewood (vc), Joe Burns, Pat Cummins, Marcus Harris, Travis Head, Usman Khawaja, Marnus Labuschagne, Nathan Lyon, Will Pucovski, Matt Renshaw, Mitchell Starc, Peter Siddle




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With a view to the Ashes the team should be - 

Marcus Harris
Matt Renshaw
Usman Khawaja
Joe Burns
Marnus Labuschagne
Travis Head
Pat Cummins
Tim Paine
Mitchell Starc
Nathan Lyon
Josh Hazlewood






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Thankfully they've booted Shaun Marsh before he got cheap runs vs Sri Lanka. These batsmen are essentially playing for the number 2, 3, 5 and 6 spots in the Ashes with the banished 2 coming back. Also glad Langer didn't follow his heart and bring back Bancroft, given his record he needs to go back to the start and prove himself at first class level again.
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

With a view to the Ashes the team should be - 

Marcus Harris
Matt Renshaw
Usman Khawaja
Joe Burns
Marnus Labuschagne
Travis Head
Pat Cummins
Tim Paine
Mitchell Starc
Nathan Lyon
Josh Hazlewood




You know that has a snow flakes chance in hell of being the teamWink
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For Brisbane ?

I doubt they will include the young bloke. 




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Originally posted by Shrunk in the Wash Shrunk in the Wash wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

With a view to the Ashes the team should be - 

Marcus Harris
Matt Renshaw
Usman Khawaja
Joe Burns
Marnus Labuschagne
Travis Head
Pat Cummins
Tim Paine
Mitchell Starc
Nathan Lyon
Josh Hazlewood




You know that has a snow flakes chance in hell of being the teamWink


Looks the likely 11 unless Pukovski comes into the middle order, Joe Burns actually started his first class career in the middle order and it's hardly unprecedented for players to move around the order, Michael Hussey and Simon Katich as examples.

Very unlikely Cummins bats above Paine but.
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Won't Smith & Warner be back by then?
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If they are I would expect or want to see

1 Marcus Harris
2 Warner
3 Matt Renshaw
4 Smith
5 Usman Khawaja
6 Joe Burns/Marnus Labuschagne/Travis Head/ Pucovski,
7 Pat Cummins
8 Tim Paine
9 Mitchell Starc/ Pattinson
10 Nathan Lyon
11 Josh Hazlewood
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They are back at the end of March.






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If Cricket Australia are fair dinkum about getting the team culture back on track, I dont see how they can just automatically reinstate 2 or 3 of them, just to patch up their poor form. 

Smith and Renshaw threw Warner under the bus only a couple of weeks ago. How many players are happy with what was done in their name by cheats? All of their reputations suffer through association, as it did with departing coaches and directors. Langer calling recent events a soap opera and that he had his man management role cut out for him.

A fair bit more healing to happen before they can come back I think, and they have to do it through domestic cricket. 
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

A fair bit more healing to happen before they can come back I think, and they have to do it through domestic cricket. 


I think you're right but it will depend ghreatly on the next 2 test
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

If Cricket Australia are fair dinkum about getting the team culture back on track, I dont see how they can just automatically reinstate 2 or 3 of them, just to patch up their poor form. 

Smith and Renshaw threw Warner under the bus only a couple of weeks ago. How many players are happy with what was done in their name by cheats? All of their reputations suffer through association, as it did with departing coaches and directors. Langer calling recent events a soap opera and that he had his man management role cut out for him.

A fair bit more healing to happen before they can come back I think, and they have to do it through domestic cricket. 


kiss the healing, Our fast bowlers owe their 2017 records to Warner.

Absolutely they just walk back in to the team.




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Bancroft PT not Renshaw
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Originally posted by Shrunk in the Wash Shrunk in the Wash wrote:

Won't Smith & Warner be back by then?


For the Ashes yes, anyone who thinks they won't play that first test is kidding themselves, the only way that'd happen is if the team had beaten India, result is still king.

For mine likely first Ashes XI is

Burns/Renshaw/Harris
Warner
Khawaja
Smith
Head/Labuschagne/Pavlovski
Head/Labuschagne/Pavlovski
Paine
Cummins
Starc
Lyon
Hazlewood

Unlikely they bump Cummins up above Paine just yet, more likely Matt Wade or Alex Carey come in for Paine but even thats unlikely. There is talk about Harris being a 3, so they could go with Burns or Renshaw up top and Harris at 3 in the unlikely event Khawaja is dropped, very much doubt Khawaja bats below 3.
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Very true mate. Usman wont bat below 3 but I think he’d do well at 4 or 5. Let him play his shots rather than grafting
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Actually thinking about it again it looks like Burn and Renshaw are in a bat off to open with Harris, with the other 3 batting 4,5, 6 in a 2 test bat off for the spots below Smith in the Ashes.

Another, less likely option is they go on another of their wild goose chases like they did for an 05 Ashes Flintoff, this time looking for a Pujara and try turn Renshaw into a 3 with Khawaja at 4, they could possibly try Burns in the middle order but I doubt that.

What do you make of Trevor Hohns comments that Wade needs to bad higher to be considered for a test recall, yet the logic of Labuschagne batting 3 in Sydney was because he bats 3 for Qld, why can't Wade bat 6 for Australia on that logic? Then on Glenn Maxwell he claimed Maxie needs to play more red ball and less white ball cricket to be considered for test cricket, yet Hohns keeps picking him for meaningless white ball series so that he misses shield games, the bloke is either clueless or just a strait out w4nker, not sure which.
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Smith won’t bat anywhere other than #5 when he comes back... that’s probably the only reason Shaun Marsh got the flick.

Renshaw was sent packing because JL & Haddin thought he was lazy & arrogant, all because he was stretching in the shade in Dubai... that’s some top level player development right there.

Deadset, the sooner they stop treating the national side like a club and dismantle the national academy, the better off we’ll be.

They’re going to throw this poor kid Pucovski & his anxiety into the ugliest environment we have. He’ll bat at #6 and it’ll be as much of a test for the nation as it is for him.
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Why would Smith bat at 5?

Agree on Pucovski (apologies to him for getting his name wrong above) seems a tough position to put the kid in only a couple months removed from taking time out from the game due to mental health issues.
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I say he'll bat at #5 because it's the cushiest spot in the line up. He's certainly done more damage at #4 (and #3 for that matter), and if they do play Pucovski, it would make sense to bat Mr Fidget higher in the order... but i'm trying to see through the eyes of the current selectors. 
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Kurtis Patterson into the squad after twin tons vs Sri Lanka in the tour match in Hobart.

Likely top 6 Harris Burns Khawaja Patterson Head Pucovski/Labuschagne
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Sri Lanka new what they were doing.




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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

If Cricket Australia are fair dinkum about getting the team culture back on track, I dont see how they can just automatically reinstate 2 or 3 of them, just to patch up their poor form. 

Smith and Renshaw Bancroft threw Warner under the bus only a couple of weeks ago. How many players are happy with what was done in their name by cheats? All of their reputations suffer through association, as it did with departing coaches and directors. Langer calling recent events a soap opera and that he had his man management role cut out for him.

A fair bit more healing to happen before they can come back I think, and they have to do it through domestic cricket. 

Warner and Smith straight back in, Bancroft if he shows sufficient form. 

The whole team cheated, they are all mercenaries, they don't care who is in the team so long as they are - goes for every player, coach, manager, administrator, high-performance coach, physio, psychologist and hanger-on of any description that was involved with that team ... and most of them are still there.Embarrassed
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Cricinfo's preview says Labuschagne, Burns and Patterson join Harris, Khawaja and Head in making up the top 6. It's good that they've gone the man in form in Patterson but the way he has been selected shows the scattergun approach they have right now.

Tough on young Pucovski going from being the next big thing to missing out for a bloke who wasn't originally part of the squad, at least Renshaw knew he was likely in a shoot out for a spot with Burns when the match in Hobart started.
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What you say is true Afros - it really looks like a scattergun approach - there seems to be a lot of players around who have been given a start, and that is in all forms of the game. I can only assume that they are working on the basis that Smith and Warner come back in, and there are really only 4 batting spots available long term - still makes it hard for the ones trying to cement a spot to build confidence.

I also agree with your earlier observations about Shaun Marsh, blew too many chances for me, and Bancroft who will get his opportunities in the future.

I like Patterson, my son played footy with him when they were kids, great character and a multitalented athlete - hope he can consolidate the opportunity.Thumbs Up 
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Really only 2 spots up for grabs for the first Ashes test, barring injury that XI will be Harris/Burns Warner Khawaja Smith TBD TBD Paine Cummins Starc Lyon Hazlewood.

Warner could possibly miss out of Burns and Harris fire in this series as he has a poor record in England and is on the nose.

Labuschagne, Head and Patterson have the inside running on the other 2 spots obviously, if I was Will Pucovski I'd be looking for a county stint now as if the 3 incumbents only go ok in this series then if he can score heavily in county cricket prior to the Ashes series he may force his way in. Doubt he gets called up for the 2nd test but then you never know, with the way these selectors work Glenn Maxwell could be batting 3 in the second test!
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Bancroft would have to score heavily in the shield games post big bash and hope Harris and Burns both fail here if he is to make the Ashes squad, realistically he is behind Warner, Harris, Burns and Renshaw, maybe even Finch and Khawaja in the openers pecking order currently.
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I think both Finch and Maxwell are a symptom of what T20 has done to the game - clearly as talented as any batsman in the game, but repeatedly have their technical flaws exposed in the white ball game at the highest level.

What a shame that they have both failed to adapt so far.
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