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Rattlesnake
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Very naive IMO. Move the day to Federation Day and the same people will be complaining that they don't recognize the 6 separate British States which united to form the Commonwealth. |
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Second Chance
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Fine. Except it shouldn't be held on the anniversary of the First Fleet's arrival.
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jujuno
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it was once held on the first Monday after or on 26th Jan...so the actual day wasn't that significant... I think Ian Macfarlane explained it succinctly today...we can still celebrate it but just not on the anniversary of Pip's landing... better to find a resolution than keep having friction every year and spoiling the whole shebang... if we celebrate it on Jan 25 perhaps it would solve the issue.... |
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cabosanlucas
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ian macfarlane has the courage of his conviction .... after he has left public office.
not the first there. will his new mining industry job mean a new found respect for indigenous land as well? |
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jujuno
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always considered him an idiot...but he actually made sense today... |
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acacia alba
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Sorry . I know you are a stickler for facts,,,,,is the word pedantic ? I should have said, first whitie to land, run up the flag, claim the place, settle, and populate. Does that make you feel better all over ??? |
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animals before people.
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Dr E
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Spot on aa! And it's over now, and everyone seems to have had a lovely day off work, which is as much as it means to most people, including the most of our original citizens ... and a handful of them had their opportunity to do some bed wetting and flag burning, and they only assaulted a couple of people that the media granted us a report on, well away from their own back yards that is! ... can't imagine it was a great day for many women and kids, once the patriarch had got a boot full by lunch time! Anyway, most of those citizens who carried out their patriotic celebratory duties today, tinnie held high, snag sanger in the other, will be doing their patriotic duty tomorrow too ... phoning in to work complaining of a severe bout of the Invasion Day Flu, and using up another sickie! ... if they don't, they simply have not integrated, and should be deported immediately!!!
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Rattlesnake
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Caving in to a loud minority on this issue won't bring about any 'resolution.' These activist groups will simply then move on to their next target. It's comparable to the groups that oppose horse racing. They target specific goals in the hope that people will relent in an attempt to calm things, but after achieving that success the groups will move on to the next target, always with an eye on the end goal. If people want to use the term 'invasion,' they also logically then need to accept that the invaders comprehensively conquered the peoples already on this land. A technologically more advanced group overpowers a less advanced group and takes their land. It's basically the story of human history. Just ask the Aztecs or Inca. Oh, wait... |
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JudgeHolden
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Who cares what day it's on? The Queen's birthday's not the Queen's birthday, Christmas is just the winter solstice, Easter was flogged off the Jews and who the cares when Labour Day is? Personally I reckon the calendar is a bit cluttered- we should move it to August some time. Spread them out a little.
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JudgeHolden
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Hmm, accept they lost. Well there is a precedent, we have another public holiday "celebrating" having our own arses well and truly kicked militarily. Maybe we could sell it like that?
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Passing Through
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Facts are so annoying, they can get in the way of a good opinion Fortunately the world is now being run by a man who makes them up as we go along That can only go well
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jujuno
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precisely, Judge...it's all semantics... but August is unacceptable...too cold to run around in flag-clothes... leave it in January...but on a date when the fleet is still on the high seas, heading down-under... |
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Rattlesnake
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If they are going to view the events as an invasion, they clearly did lose. The more advanced conquered the less advanced. Try finding a continent on Earth (apart from Antarctica) where this didn't occur, it's the basis of human history. How absurd it is to be applying 21st century moralizing to events that occurred hundreds of years ago. |
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Rattlesnake
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Plenty of Aboriginal people and their supporters obviously. |
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Baguette
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Australia Day is the 26th January and always has been. We used to have the public holiday on the nearest Friday or Monday so everyone could have a long weekend but the actual Australia day was always the 26th.
Yesterday 20 odd million Australians enjoyed their day off anyway they wanted. Some may have done a bit of flag waving which is fine. I find it intensely irritating that a small but loud group who dare to presume they speak for the indigenous people of this country can get so much attention. If they want to protest " invasion day" go and burn the British Flag outside of Westminster. That's where the decision to send the First Fleet was made. |
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Passing Through
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Is it time we just got over WW1 or WW11 yet and forget about those lives lost? Should the US just get over the war of independence or the civil war? Surely they are over it now?
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Rattlesnake
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3,000 - 5,000 people in Sydney protested. You'd think it was half the country by the way it's being represented. Beware vocal minorities, especially in this time of social media. IMO these protests are going to receive push back as more people come out to celebrate the day in opposition. |
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Rattlesnake
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Ridiculous examples, even for you. It's not about forgetting lives lost or sacrifices made, it's about not holding the other bloke's ancestors responsible you peanut. Do you hold the Japanese and Germans of today responsible for the ancestors actions? |
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jujuno
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when it was simply a long weekend we didn't have the angst we do now... does it really matter to the average Aussie who just wants a day off to act like a boozed-up drunken flag...? |
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Passing Through
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To the victor the spoils. To the vanquished ''go screw yourself....we won'' and we're going to let you know it.
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Tlazolteotl
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I can't see any good reason why australia day should be on the anniversary of the penal colony. I doubt there are many with any great affection for that particular day.
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JudgeHolden
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You make a fair point Tlaz. Took one look at the joint and thought "hmm, this is a good place to let our worst fester". It don't 'arf bring a tear to your eye. |
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jujuno
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..the whole argument is so childish...most Aussies just want a day to make fools of themselves...(me included)...any day is fine...
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Passing Through
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The date doesn't bother me, it is what the day represents. Christmas hardly represents what the day is meant to mean(even on a different birth date to the fellow)
They say we are celebrating inclusiveness and what a tolerant welcoming country we are, yet we wont consider the feeling of non inclusiveness felt by many. I just think that some empathy should be shown and an intelligent conversation should be held. We are going to great lengths apologizing and having a constitutional recognition referendum to recognise first peoples , but seemingly dont want to show interest in discussing a clear sticking point in that overall conversation.
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Whale
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do Germans have a national day celebrating WW!! Rattle ?
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Good point about the Germans
What do other countries do. Say America or France??? |
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subastral
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Catering to a loud minority. Lol, good one Rattlesnake. Gov't has been doing that for years re gay marriage etc.
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jujuno
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who cares what other countries do? would you be More Joyous if we followed their lead? |
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subastral
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What a pile of rot. Dreadful comparison.
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jujuno
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the impossible dream in this era of Trump and "Turnball" (was that a typo?) |
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