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Arrogate rallies past California Chrome in epic Breeders' Cup Classic

ARCADIA, Calif. – On March 26, California Chrome won the Dubai World Cup. Three weeks later, Arrogate made the first start of his career at Los Alamitos and lost.

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Arrogate and jockey Mike Smith win the Breeders' Cup Classic by half a length Saturday.

Yet in the 6 1/2 months since that race, Arrogate came far and fast, and on Saturday, in only the sixth start of his career, he knocked off California Chrome in the $6 million Breeders’ Cup Classic at Santa Anita, announcing himself as the horse ready to take the mantle from California Chrome as the best dirt horse in the world in 2017.

The victory should have serious implications for year-end awards. Arrogate, with his victories in the Travers and Classic, has made a compelling case for champion 3-year-old male. And while California Chrome has the best body of work for the year, and has champion older male dirt horse locked up, there is bound to be at least some sentiment for Horse of the Year for the only horse who beat him this year.

Arrogate ($5.40), the second choice, had to be at his very best to run down California Chrome, who was favored at 4-5. California Chrome shot to the early lead in the 1 1/4-mile race and was clear of his rivals until Arrogate caught him in the closing yards to prevail by a half-length. Underscoring the quality of their performances is that California Chrome finished 10 3/4 lengths in front of third-place Keen Ice, who beat Hoppertunity by a neck.

Melatonin was fifth and was followed by Frosted, Effinex, War Story, and Win the Space. Shaman Ghost was scratched Saturday morning.

Arrogate was timed in 2:00.11 on the fast main track.

As remarkable as Arrogate’s ascension has been trainer Bob Baffert’s skill at winning the Classic. This was the third straight year he won it, and he used the exact template this year as he did last year with American Pharoah, training Arrogate straight into the Classic without another race following the Travers.

“You can only do that with a great horse,” Baffert said. “I cannot believe what he’s accomplished. He’s just a big kid, learning how to run.”

Arrogate, who started from the outside post in the field of nine, was third in the early going as California Chrome led from Melatonin. California Chrome had broken like a shot from the gate and immediately took the track from his rivals, with Victor Espinoza taking him off the rail though fractions of 23.28 seconds for the opening quarter, 47.15 for a half, and 1:10.96 for six furlongs.

Just as it looked as though California Chrome might sneak away three furlongs from home, Arrogate suddenly darted inside of Melatonin and took up the chase.

“I wound up cutting the corner going into the far turn, and he really picked it up,” said Mike Smith, who rode Arrogate. “Then I got outside, and he was relentless. He’s got some stamina.”

California Chrome still led by 1 1/2 lengths a furlong out, but Arrogate steadily gained ground and caught California Chrome just before the wire, giving Smith his record 25th victory in a Breeders’ Cup race.

“I thought there was no way. California Chrome is a great horse. I didn’t think we could run him down,” Baffert said of his thoughts as the horses came through the lane. “I thought he’d get second. I’m thinking, ‘At least he showed up.’ But then I saw Mike getting down on him, and that big stride of his.

“That was an incredible race by two incredible horses.”

California Chrome had won six straight races this year coming into the Classic. In addition to the nearly $2.3 million difference in prize money between first and second, he also missed out on a $1 million bonus he would have gleaned if he’d have added the Classic to prior victories in the Pacific Classic at Del Mar and Awesome Again at Santa Anita.

“He just got outrun. No excuses. He ran his eyeballs out,” said Art Sherman, who trains California Chrome.

The figures bore that out. Arrogate got a Beyer Speed Figure of 120. California Chrome’s 119 was a career-best, but he got beat.

Sherman said California Chrome is scheduled to race once more, in the $12 million Pegasus at Gulfstream in January, before retiring to stud.

Arrogate, a son of Unbridled’s Song, did not get to the races until April owing to shin problems at age 2. Baffert, who trains Arrogate for Prince Khalid Abdullah’s Juddmonte Farms, gave him the proper time to recover, and the results in recent months have proved the wisdom of patience.

Arrogate has won five straight races since that losing debut, and the $3.3 million he earned on Saturday brought his career earnings to more than $4 million.

Garrett O’Rourke, the racing manager for Juddmonte Farms, reiterated after the race what he had said before, that Arrogate would remain in training at age 4.

If there had been doubt as to who would take California Chrome’s place at the top of the charts when he exited, there is no doubt now.



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Pegasus World Cup on Sunday 29 at  Gulfstream Park
 
 
 
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How easy was that
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Took a chunky double into Big Duke for Hobart Cup.

Slept in and missed the race haha ...nice win though always looked a moral.
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Would love to see him take on Winx.
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How does the Pegusus World Cup field compare to the Cox Plate field? Was the field that Arrogate beat better then the field beat in last year's Cox Plate?

Also who is the best horse in the world right now - I assume it's Arrogate? It's a shame that the best of the best wont ever meet and ratings is the closest method we have to seperating horse performances.
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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You can't compare apples and oranges.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote djebel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jan 2017 at 2:34pm
They will never run this bloke on turf and they will never run Winx on dirt.

Both are the best in their respective fields.


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The World Cup is on on the 25th of March. Prince Khalid will decide in 3 to 4 weeks whether or not he runs.

Wouldn't it be good if trainers in Australia had the ability to be this flexible ?

Originally posted by Laura King Laura King wrote:



Dubai World Cup is something "we're always prepared for," says Bob Baffert. Prince Khalid to decide in three/four weeks' time.n


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What do you mean by that djebel, he's going to decide in 3 or 4 weeks what he's going to do 3 weeks after that, ?
flexible or just a bit each way.
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Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

What do you mean by that djebel, he's going to decide in 3 or 4 weeks what he's going to do 3 weeks after that, ?
flexible or just a bit each way.

I am not sure I understand what you mean ?

The early part of the US racing season is nearly all geared towards 3 year old racing and the Triple Crown.

There are no highly important races baring the Santa Anita handicap for older horses and they would not bother with that.








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So Dubai should be a no-brainer - provided the horse is right.
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Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Would love to see him take on Winx.



On dirt?
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The Dubai World Cup 25 th March, wouldn't that be a logical target providing he's ok, I didn't get the flexibility angle.
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

[QUOTE=Carioca]
The early part of the US racing season is nearly all geared towards 3 year old racing and the Triple Crown.

There are no highly important races baring the Santa Anita handicap for older horses and they would not bother with that.










That says a lot about USA racing
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Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

The Dubai World Cup 25 th March, wouldn't that be a logical target providing he's ok, I didn't get the flexibility angle.


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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

They will never run this bloke on turf and they will never run Winx on dirt.

Both are the best in their respective fields.




Is it a case of - Winx may struggle on dirt and Arroage may struggle in turf?

Also what is the difference between dirt and turf, is dirt "faster" or "slower" to run on then turf?
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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It is more that it is not a done thing in the majority of cases.

California Chrome won on the turf, Animal Kingdom ran very well on turf.

As I say it is just not the done thing as a general rule.



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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

The Dubai World Cup 25 th March, wouldn't that be a logical target providing he's ok, I didn't get the flexibility angle.



LOL
Well I know all oil ain't oil , but this one would suit.



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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

It is more that it is not a done thing in the majority of cases.

California Chrome won on the turf, Animal Kingdom ran very well on turf.

As I say it is just not the done thing as a general rule.





Fair points you make. Arrogate and Winx - being so good, wouldnt their class assist them in running well on tracks that are not familiar to them eg: winx on dirt and Arrogate on turf?

I guess in theory class could get them far on tracks that are not suitable to them but maybe just maybe - they well struggle if they switched tracks
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Your a bit of a whizz with those photos djebel.
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Also what is the difference between dirt and turf, is dirt "faster" or "slower" to run on then turf?


Fast dirt vs fast turf means the horse needs to be fitter for dirt.
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:



Also what is the difference between dirt and turf, is dirt "faster" or "slower" to run on then turf?


Fast dirt vs fast turf means the horse needs to be fitter for dirt.



Cos dirt has that sinking feeling when hoofs are in it unlike turf it doesnt sink (unless its rain affected), so dirt is harder to race on then so i guess dirt racing is rated higher then turf racing - ie Arrogate best in the world whilst a lot of people say Winx is best in the world.
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Dubai World Cup 'an option' for Arrogate

 BY JON LEES8:49PM 2 FEB 2017 

ARROGATE was on Thursday reported to have recovered so well from his triumph in the Pegasus  that he could run in Dubai World Cup.

After landing the inaugural running of the $12 million prize, the world's richest race, at Gulfstream, Florida, last Saturday Arrogate returned to his home track at Santa Anita, California on Thursday to train for the first time.

Trainer Bob Baffert said the Juddmonte Farms colt had come out of the race so well that he described running at Meydan on March 25 as "an option", according to the Daily Racing Form.

Arrogate cruised to a four and three quarter lengths triumph in a one-sided Pegasus in which fierce rival California Chrome, on his final start, disappointed to trail home 30 lengths behind.

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