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    Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 12:15am

Turf war: Randwick to host new $8m race as Sydney looks to rival Melbourne spring


Royal Randwick will become the home of the two richest turf races in the world next October as Racing NSW looks to extend the Sydney spring carnival with another multi-million-dollar event, which will be worth more the 2019 Melbourne Cup.

The audacious plan, which was approved by the Racing NSW board on Thursday, had been a closely kept secret but Australian Turf Club officials were formally told of the concept for the race on Friday and the details will be announced later this week.

The success of The Everest in its first two years has fuelled Racing NSW's desire for another race in the spring.

The Herald understands the race will have more than $8 million in stakes and will once again challenge the status quo of the racing calendar.

Melbourne has had a stranglehold on spring racing, with its famed carnival drawing on a tradition of more than 150 years, but its main events are all over extended trips - the Cox Plate at 2040m, the Caulfield Cup at 2400m and the Melbourne Cup over 3200m. It can be assumed the new race will not be over that distance range.

The way Australian racing has evolved it has moved to shorter distances, with more explosive horses, and the Sydney race is believed to focus on that strength.

The race will give the Sydney spring another feature day and will complement the highly successful Everest, which will be run on Caulfield Cup day next year.

With the George Main Stakes in September, that means the Sydney spring will have strong racing across a six-week period.

A race covering the middle-distance range would make sense, as it would encourage the sprinters from The Everest to take on the milers from races such as the George Main and The Epsom at a trip that would test both speed and stamina.

The Herald understands Racing NSW chief executive Peter V’landys believes racing administrations across the country should make the most of the month of October, as it falls between the end of the major football codes and start of the cricket season. V'landys believes racing nationwide should capitalise on the gap in the market, rather than seeing October as a month owned solely by Victoria.

There have been rumours around racing circles that the new race was to be a $2 million race over two miles for Australian-bred horses on Melbourne Cup day. But it is understood that is not correct and that a race on Melbourne Cup had never been considered.

“We will have an announcement that will play to our strengths,” V'landys said.

The race will not be slots-based, like The Everest, nor will there be a public vote as in Racing Victoria's recently announced All Star Mile. But the high stakes are sure to attract attention. V'landys indicated there may be more more than one new race in the announcement.

The Herald understands the race could be part of a tri-code approach to a weekend of racing excellence, which would include the Million-Dollar Chase for the greyhounds at Wentworth Park and a million-dollar harness racing event at Menangle.

The idea could be funded by a new bet type that may be coming on line in the new year through the TAB. Tabcorp would not comment on any developments of a new bet type last week.



Edited by Gay3 - 03 Dec 2018 at 8:04am
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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Why not just boost a race already in existence ?


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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Why not just boost a race already in existence ?


I agree, why not use the money to boost say, the George Main as well as the Epsom and Metropolitan handicaps. That could potentially see these races becoming great lead ins to the meaty end of the Melbourne spring. This war on each others carnivals that has been going on has to stop.
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Sounds like they’re going for a 1400m race, appealing to the breeding strengths, as well as testing stamina.

Full credit to them. They’re going about it the right way. By establishing these new landmarks on the calendar, the rules that determine ‘status’ should see the established dysfunctional ‘pattern’ adjust itself naturally over time.
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Why cant there be a national interest to boost prize money in all of the city cup races:

Perth Cup
Adelaide Cup
Sydney Cup
Brisbane Cup


I didn't include the Melbourne Cup as it is already worth a lot of money and maybe the Sydney Cup should of been left out as that race is worth $2 mil. But the others - why not make them each a million dollars? Surely it can't hurt.
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If SA, WA & Qld had the money, they probably would... but they don’t... and never will.

Those jurisdictions would do better focusing on raising the base level prize money as it is more closely aligned to wages.
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Sydney racing is a farce, no tradition , no class, all about jealousy and rivalry with Victoria. Another meaningless race  created , like T20 in cricket, who remembers the winner of The Everest Confused
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Sydney racing is a farce, no tradition , no class, all about jealousy and rivalry with Victoria. Another meaningless race  created , like T20 in cricket, who remembers the winner of The Everest Confused


Mlebourne has butted in during the autumn many times.
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Sydney racing is a farce, no tradition , no class, all about jealousy and rivalry with Victoria. Another meaningless race  created , like T20 in cricket, who remembers the winner of The Everest Confused
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Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Sydney racing is a farce, no tradition , no class, all about jealousy and rivalry with Victoria. Another meaningless race  created , like T20 in cricket, who remembers the winner of The Everest Confused
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Sydney racing is a farce, no tradition , no class, all about jealousy and rivalry with Victoria. Another meaningless race  created , like T20 in cricket, who remembers the winner of The Everest Confused


Mlebourne has butted in during the autumn many times.
Why do whole seasons belong to certain states? That’s just wasting 3 hours per day of money making time.
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There certainly is a need for a 1400m spring championship, where all the top sprinters meet for big prizemoney. The opposite of those stayer warm up 1400m G1s held in Melbourne.
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I agree - there is no 1400 or even really 1600 'signature' race, where you will definitely get all the best horses over those distances. This is what everyone wanted when they were whinging last spring.
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Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

5:42AM
Why cant there be a national interest to boost prize money in all of the city cup races:

Perth Cup
Adelaide Cup
Sydney Cup
Brisbane Cup


I didn't include the Melbourne Cup as it is already worth a lot of money and maybe the Sydney Cup should of been left out as that race is worth $2 mil. But the others - why not make them each a million dollars? Surely it can't hurt.


The Perth, Brisbane and Adelaide cups should all still be 2 miles and if they want to get more locals into rhe Melbourne Cup why not make the winners of these 3 races ballot exempt for the MC?

Melbourne started this war when they started encroaching on the Sydney autumn a few years ago by moving the Australian Guineas closer to the Randwick Guineas as well as the Alistair Clark and William Reid to the back of the carnival.
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Where’s all the money for this coming from? Wherever, we simply don’t have the depth of quality of horses to justify all these G1 and novelty races. It’s getting obscene. In fact, just as it seems the quality our horses diminishing, we’re throwing more and more money at them.

Great for breeders I suppose.
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Melbourne started this war when they started encroaching on the Sydney autumn a few years ago by moving the Australian Guineas closer to the Randwick Guineas as well as the Alistair Clark and William Reid to the back of the carnival. [/QUOTE]

In my opinion the Melbourne races are not in competition but enhance the Sydney Carnival, good quality races all over the place
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The only open age distance missing in the Sydney Spring is 2000m.  Plenty at the mile and already a G1 1400m.  Wonder if they will try to take on Cox Plate?
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They heavily imply in the article it's a 1400 and won't take on the Cox/Caulfield/Melbourne Cup
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Originally posted by rem286 rem286 wrote:

The only open age distance missing in the Sydney Spring is 2000m.  Plenty at the mile and already a G1 1400m.  Wonder if they will try to take on Cox Plate?


Hill Stakes and Craven Plate?
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It is just throwing more money at the same horses.

I would love to see a national program adopted similar to what we used to have.  Racing seemed to be far more co-operative when it was run by the principal clubs and co-ordinated nationally by the Racing Conference.

These days, since it has all been corporatized,  it seems to be run by corporate  incompetents and spivs and seems intent on tearing itself apart.  

It has all the hallmarks of an industry with way too much money and not a clue how to invest it constructively but it doesn't matter because it is such a lucrative racket that the money just keeps rolling in no matter how badly they stuff it up.  
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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

Originally posted by rem286 rem286 wrote:

The only open age distance missing in the Sydney Spring is 2000m.  Plenty at the mile and already a G1 1400m.  Wonder if they will try to take on Cox Plate?


Hill Stakes and Craven Plate?


Plenty of 2000m options already- too many.

What G1 1400m are you referring to? The 3yo race, the handicap, or the 2 Melbourne wfa races positioned so that they never get the top sprinters?
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And yet one of the country NSW tracks I attended recently can’t even get funding to build an amenities block on course. They don’t even have a flushing toilet
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Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

And yet one of the country NSW tracks I attended recently can’t even get funding to build an amenities block on course. They don’t even have a flushing toilet

the horses are used to that
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The Herald understands
It can be assumed
the Sydney race is believed to focus
But it is understood 
The Herald understands the race
The idea could be funded by a new bet type

Why don't they just put out a release instead of playing these games using journos. 
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"A race covering the middle-distance range would make sense, as it would encourage the sprinters from The Everest to take on the milers from races such as the George Main and The Epsom at a trip that would test both speed and stamina."
Who wrote that shyte?
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Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

"A race covering the middle-distance range would make sense, as it would encourage the sprinters from The Everest to take on the milers from races such as the George Main and The Epsom at a trip that would test both speed and stamina."
Who wrote that shyte?


Roxy Jacenko.

Is 1400m a middle distance in Sydney now?Tongue
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Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

"A race covering the middle-distance range would make sense, as it would encourage the sprinters from The Everest to take on the milers from races such as the George Main and The Epsom at a trip that would test both speed and stamina."
Who wrote that shyte?

Chris Roots.  But I think he's dreaming....
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

And yet one of the country NSW tracks I attended recently can’t even get funding to build an amenities block on course. They don’t even have a flushing toilet

the horses are used to that

Name it for your credibility please. There's nothing wrong with a well cared for long drop or composted dunny. Beats the bloody portaloos at the Cup and other big events.
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