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CALIFORNIA CHROME HAD it all. The three-year-old thoroughbred won the Kentucky Derby last year. Two weeks later, he topped the field at the Preakness, becoming the only horse bred in the Golden State to ever win both races. Then, on June 7, 2014, he was about to run the Belmont Stakes, the final race in the so-called Triple Crown. The last horse to win all three of these races was Affirmed in 1978, but maybe Chrome had a chance to bring the title into the 21st century: The colt had a prime starting position, second in the gate. The odds were on his side, at 3-5. His legion of fans, the #Chromies, mustered on Twitter.

But Chrome fell short. Tying for fourth, he became the 13th horse to win the first two legs of the Triple Crown only to fail in the third in almost 40 years. The winner at Belmont, Tonalist, hadn’t raced in the Derby or the Preakness, and in a post-race interview, Chrome’s co-owner Steve Coburn argued that the Triple Crown should be a closed circuit: No parachuting in to run the Belmont if you haven’t already run the previous races in the series. “It’s not fair to the horses that have been in the game since day one,” Coburn said. “It’s all or nothing. This is the coward’s way out.”

Coburn has a point. Post-race recovery is no joke for a thousand-pound animal that can run more than 40 miles per hour. There are two weeks between the Derby and the Preakness, and three weeks between the Preakness and the Belmont. That tight schedule—and the super-specific needs of racehorses—means horses competing in the grueling back-to-back-to-back Triple Crown races have a big disadvantage against fresh horses.

This Saturday, another horse will face the same challenge that Chrome did. American Pharoah won the Derby. He won the Preakness. Now, he’ll have a shot at claiming the biggest title in racing (with the same jockey who rode Chrome, no less). But he will be competing against several horses that skipped earlier races—and dealing with the physiology and biochemistry involved in equine race recovery.

Keeping the Fuel Tank Topped Up

During high-intensity exercise, humans and other animals need a lot of energy. We store it in the muscles and liver as glycogen, a type of sugar that the body can easily burn for energy. Ever been struck, suddenly, with fatigue during a race or other exercise? That’s your body running out of glycogen and switching to another, less easily metabolized source of energy: fat.Clair Thunes, a horse nutrition expert who teaches at UC Davis, recalls showing students a race where a horse held second place until the last turn. “He comes into the stretch and suddenly starts going backward and backward, the green of the jockey’s silks falling back through the field until it trails off in the finish,” she says. “To me, it looked like the horse hit a wall.”

Distance runners, cyclists, and other human athletes can refuel during long bouts of exercise with sports drinks and energy gels. But racehorses can’t exactly down a shot of Gu during a 2-minute race. They have no time (and no thumbs). And trying to top a horse up before a race by feeding it what’s known as glycogen loading paste wouldn’t help much either. A healthy horse’s stores will already be full-up.

As the animal blows through its glycogen, something else happens: Its muscles produce lactic acid. The enzymes that break glycogen into glucose that the body can metabolize are sensitive; if tissue becomes too acidic, the metabolic pathways can’t function properly. In other words, the horses are running out of fuel and they have a harder time processing the fuel they still have. “They start shutting down,” Thunes says.

After a race is over, a horse’s body gets to work processing the lactic acid and, perhaps most importantly, restoring glycogen reserves. In humans, glycogen recoup takes about 24 hours. But horses take a lot longer—several days, in fact. Trainers make sure their charges drink plenty of water and sometimes even use intravenous fluids to aid that repair process.

One big complication: During a race, horses can bleed into their air passages. At the very least, this is uncomfortable, but it also causes inflammation and scarring. Worst case scenario they could drown in their own blood. So starting in the 1970s, many trainers started giving their horses a drug called Lasix, a diuretic that lowered overall fluid volume and reduced the risks of bleeds. An estimated 90 percent of racehorses now get it—the dropped water weight from its diuretic effect may also boost performance. (They are, literally, peeing like racehorses.) But horses on Lasix also lose 40 to 50 times more calcium, sodium, and other minerals than usual through that excess urine. Worse, horses on Lasix don’t naturally become more thirsty to replace the vital fluids needed for recovery, so it takes a horse three days to return to its pre-race weight. By that point, horses still haven’t re-balanced their electrolyte levels, which are essential for muscle conductivity and other bodily functions. Some experts say it’s no coincidence that the Triple Crown drought started around the same time Lasix became a standard in the racing world.

The author of the Lasix study, Joe Pagan, president of Kentucky Equine Research and nutrition consultant to the United States Equestrian Federation, developed a two-step solution: First, horses get a concentrated electrolyte paste right after racing to boost their thirst. Then they get a daily electrolyte with added calcium to replace what was lost in their urine. With the supplements, horses rebound from their Lasix weight loss in 38 hours and come back from mineral losses within a few days.

If a horse eats well and stays hydrated, their glycogen and electrolyte levels should return to normal between each leg of the Triple Crown, but they might be able to recover faster and be in better form for training between races with improved electrolyte supplements. Unfortunately for American Pharoah and the other contenders, Pagan’s study just came out, so this development likely won’t impact the horses competing in the Belmont this year.

Healthy Muscles

In addition to being the last race of the Triple Crown, the Belmont Stakes is also the longest. Some Derby contenders have never raced a mile and a quarter before, never mind the mile and a half they need to run for the Belmont Stakes. Most thoroughbreds also typically get three weeks to a month between tough races, while the Triple Crown allows for just a few weeks between each race.

That’s no easy feat, even for a racehorse. When a horse runs a tough race (or has a new workout at a longer distance), its muscles break down. Then, during rest, they reknit and adapt. Your muscles do the same thing. “It’s a part of exercising at the top of their game,” Thunes says. “You have to give them time before ramping them up again over a new distance.” The trio of strenuous races combined with minimal downtime pushes horses to their limits. For many horses, the time between the Derby and Preakness might not be enough time to heal completely, leaving them with even more muscular damage to deal with before the Belmont.

But trainers who skip one or two of the earlier Triple Crown races can set their horses’ rest and workout schedule so they peak at a muscular (and mental) level for the Belmont. American Pharoah, for example, had to take it easy the week after the Preakness. His Belmont prep was a slow build-up from there, concluding with a fast mile and a half gallop on May 30 and a final workout at an easier pace and shorter distance on June 1. A horse that has skipped the Preakness, however, has the luxury of time. Mubtaahij, for example, who finished eighth in the Derby, had plenty of rest so he could be pushed for hard workouts two weeks prior to the Belmont. Now, his trainer hopes to keep his colt fresh by taking the week leading up to the race easy. Pharoah’s trainer is a pro, but having the time to relax and physically rebuild during this final week could make all the difference on race day.

Dem bones

At different points in its stride, a galloping horse puts all its weight on a single leg. That limb bears three times more weight than usual when galloping on a straightaway and, thanks to centrifugal force, a load five to 10 times greater on turns. This translates to skeletal microdamage.

That damage can manifest as anything from bone strain to microscopic cracks. “The skeleton is dynamic and the body is continually revitalizing the skeleton by removing damage and replacing it with healthy bone tissue,” says Sue Stover, a professor at the UC Davis School of Veterinary Medicine.

Luckily, the 3-year-olds that run the Triple Crown are young, healthy athletes with bodies that adapt faster than those of older horses, and “remodeling” ultimately makes bones stronger. But another side effect of Lasix, it turns out, is slower healing—they lose bone-building calcium, remember, through all that diuretic-induced pee. Even mild microdamage can manifest as discomfort or soreness, taking the edge off during competition. Bones also become weaker between the time when the body removes the damaged material and when it finishes rebuilding that area. Race a horse during that critical period and you increase the risk of serious injuries mid-race. A fresh horse won’t face any of those problems. Even a horse that ran in the Derby but skipped the Preakness will have five weeks to rest, and plenty of time for normal skeletal damage to repair, before the Belmont.

So, American Pharoah, it’d be awesome if you win the Triple Crown, but you probably won’t. It’s not your fault. It’s science and those pesky fresh horses. Frosted, for example, who came in fourth in the Derby and sat out the Preakness (and who happens to be a half-brother to last year’s Triple Crown buster, Tonalist, and is being ridden by the same jockey, too)is most likely to spoil the party. But that shouldn’t stop someone, hypothetically, from placing a hopeful bet.




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Interesting article. I'll play a few trifecta bets with Frosted as the key. History puts long odds on AP to win the TC. The last 9 horses to Goff at even odds are better in Belmont lost.
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I like MadefromLucky at $21 and over
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Talk about a stranglehold until the 300. He could have won by 15. Was jog trotting
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Sensational staying 3yo, ears pricked, strongly on the bit throughout, what more can be said? Clap Star

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How good was that , finally after 37 years :)

Read an article the other day , it was a science based one on why no modern horse will win the triple crown, thought well American pharoh is a shoe in now lol
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Might've been the article I posted above Wink
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Ha-ha I should have started from the top, that was it, saw it on Flipboard.
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Good to see him win and end all that discussion about if it's 'too hard for the modern horse'. He dominated them in the end. Hard to believe it's actually happened, seemed like it never would.
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Great performance to capture the Triple Crown.
 
Here is an interesting split screen ..... American Pharoah / Secretariat
 
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Brilliant race. The jockey has to be congratulated for the ride. When you have the best horse in the race, ride it as such and he did it in both the Preakness and Belmont.

Kudos to the connections and what a wonderful horse. I'm sure we'll see him at stud next year in Aus - looking forward to that.
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Super nag. Love to see him towel up Chromey when he gets back to the states. Do any of our American friends know whether Shared Belief will be back for the BC? Shammy?
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Not sure about BC. SB had a non-displaced fracture of the right hip. Vets recommended rest but nothing said about how long. SB is still with his trainer Jerry Hollendorpher so that says something.

We yanks are not often referred to as friends on TBV. Nice surprise. Thanks. I'll do a little more checking. All the attention is on AP plus it is summer and farm work is in high gear. I loss a few pounds myself in this interminable heat wave.

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Checked. Not much being said. Paulick report says he's out for the rest of the year. They never should have sent him to a low end track like CT. It's surface and facilities have always had problems. A chance to win a big purse as really cost the connections.

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Thanks Shammy, shame they won't meet. That would be quite a horse race.
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You are welcome. Suspect you noticed that CC is coming back to the states after not racing in the UK. Arlington Million next.
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Nice day here in New Jersey for the US$1.75 million Haskell Invitational at Monmouth Park today as Triple Crown American Pharoah returns to the track.

The track expects a record crowd of up to 80,000+ to the first Triple Crown winner to run at the track.

I wont be there. I'm on the beach in Atlantic City overlooking the ocean and enjoying the surf/weather/beer/babes/etc.

Nonetheless I will switch to NBC or maybe even visit the Borgata which is the only casino in town which offers simulcasting!

BTW - American Pharoah is 1/5on in the Morning Line Odds here and I reckon he'll start 1/10on.


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American Pharoah: once again showed his class in Haskell Invitational

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Pharoah chasing Horn to be crowned world's best

 BY SAM WALKER8:04AM 3 AUG 2015

WORLD CLASS: an analysis of the international scene according to Racing Post Ratings

AMERICAN PHAROAH put the heat on Golden Horn in the race to become world champion after cantering to an effortless success in the Haskell Invitational on Sunday.

The Triple Crown champion once again looked in a different genus to his rivals but the right horses filled the placings and he simply destroyed them.

The official margin of two-and-a-quarter lengths was one of the narrowest of his career but if he'd been ridden out he might have delivered his biggest margin yet.

He was simply coasting with a four-length lead over his rivals entering the straight. Jockey Victor Espinoza was yet to move a muscle and the horse continued to extend his margin. He was seven lengths ahead of eventual third Upstart before Espinoza started to ease him down.

His stride length visibly shortened inside the final furlong and the people's champion skipped in, ears pricked without a care in the world as proven-stayer Keen Ice plugged on for a flatteringly-close second.

The winner has suffered from a lack of hierarchy in all his starts this year. This means, from a form point of view, he is miles clear of the rest but the rest are in an ill-defined mess without any clear second best.

This lack of hierarchy has affected his ratings. If there was some hierarchy and one of his rivals had managed to prove themselves elsewhere it would have added substance to one or more his individual performances. But they haven't. It is still American Pharoah number one, the rest nowhere.

What was good about Sunday's success was that the 'right' horses (i.e. those with the best credentials) came to the fore. They may have been no match for the Pharoah, but they had at least some substance.

The runner-up Keen Ice has been improving since joining the Triple Crown trail and has got closer to American Pharoah in each of his last three starts, having previously stayed on for third in the Belmont Stakes.

Sunday's third Upstart looked one of the most solid players in the three-year-old ranks earlier in the year. He won the Holy Bull from Belmont Stakes runner-up Frosted; he was disqualified after finishing first in the Fountain Of Youth and lost nothing in defeat to Materiality in the Florida Derby.

Upstart flopped in the Kentucky Derby, but aside from that one result he has proved a model of consistency in top-level racing on both coasts for the last two seasons. And what happened when he met American Pharoah? Boom. Different genus.

To complete the full house for horses who were the top-standard-bearers despite being miles off American Pharoah, juvenile Grade 1 winner Competitive Edge finished fourth, almost nine lengths behind the eased-down champ.

The winner posted a career-high RPR of 131, which puts him a narrow second on the world list behind Eclipse winnerGolden Horn (132).

The pair may be three-year-olds, but in having raced against, and smashed, the leading older horses Golden Horn has already had his opportunity to shine from a ratings perspective and that was when he achieved his world-leading figure of 132.

American Pharoah has not yet had a chance to take on his elders, although there is little doubt that the horse who continues to win with his head in his chest could be capable of any amount of improvement.

As an indicator of what three-year-old form is worth and what he may be capable of against older horses, it's worth noting that his Haskell win ranks as the best performance - worldwide - in a race restricted to three-year-olds since Smarty Jones (134) dealt out a double-digit beating to three subsequent Grade 1 winners in the 2004 Preakness Stakes.

The horses American Pharoah beat may not go on to win Grade 1s and he didn't beat them by 11-plus lengths but judging by the manner in which he continues to romp away from whatever is put in front of him he could obviously go on to rate higher under the right circumstances.

From here on out it's all about opportunities. His grand finale is expected to come in the Breeders' Cup Classic, which is really the ultimate opportunity in America and should provide him with all the opposition and hierarchy he needs to bang out that one Golden Horn-beating performance.

Before then, however, Golden Horn might have another bite of the cherry. As might American Pharoah himself.

It's a shame their optimal conditions are so different as to render any direct meeting meaningless, but this is always the case when comparing dirt and turf horses. As long as they each race at least twice more, we should build up a clear picture of which horse deserves the world title.

Of course there are many other aspects beyond ratings by which we can judge the two and those factors too will change over the coming months.

As individuals both are outstanding and both will leave their mark on history, but I'd have more confidence in blindly backing American Pharoah, as there isn't a horse in the country who could cause him trouble and it would be a surprise to ever see a horse with such qualities lose a race.

Now, perhaps it's because his owner and trainer are so sensitive about his optimum distance and ground - having thought long and hard before running in the Derby and then pulling him out of the King George - but I just don't get that same invincibility vibe from Golden Horn.

TOP OF THE CLASS: American Pharoah 131 Bob Baffert (US) (Haskell Invitational, Monmouth Park, 1m1f, 2 August)



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American Pharoah is Timeform’s highest rated in world after Haskell win

• Triple Crown winner edges ahead of Golden Horn in current rankings
• Ratings experts expect him to overtake Cigar as all-time US great

American Pharoah has been given the highest rating of any horse in the world by Timeform following the latest outstanding display by the Triple Crown winner inSunday night’s Haskell Stakes at Monmouth Park. The racing ratings experts’ American correspondent believes the brilliant colt, now on a new figure of 136, has the potential to overtake the legendary Cigar (138) as the firm’s highest-rated runner from that continent.

American Pharoah has edged ahead of the Derby and Coral-Eclipse Stakes winner Golden Horn (133p) in Timeform’s current world rankings via his new figurefollowing his weekend rout of a high-class field and, with seemingly no obvious limit to how high he can climb, he has even had the firm talking on Monday about him in the same breath as Frankel, who reached 147, in 2012, and is the highest-rated horse in Timeform’s history.

Mark Milligan, Timeform’s handicapper for American racing, commented: “The thing with American Pharoah is that he makes everything look so easy.His high cruising speed and exceptional stride set him apart from his peers, and it probably isn’t going overboard to say he has a touch of the Frankel’s about him. I wouldn’t be at all surprised were he to finish the year having surpassed Cigar’s 138, and become Timeform’s most highly rated North American horse ever.”

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Meanwhile, trainer Bob Baffert will now weigh up the options for his stable star along with Justin Zayat, who is racing manger for owner Zayat Stables. Baffert admitted in comments he made immediately after Sunday’s race that he expects encouragement to run in the Pacific Classic which takes place in just under three weeks at his Del Mar base butthe shrewd money is on the colt returning at Saratoga for the Travers Stakes on August 29.

“When I get home, I’m sure Del Mar will put a lot of pressure on us, too,” said Baffert, who has indicated he would prefer to stay in three-year-old company.

“We’ll get him home first, see how he bounces out of it. We’ll just play it race by race. As long as he’s still at the top level, I’ll lead him up there. As long as he’s at the top of his game, that’s my main concern. We have something really special. We owe it to him.”

American Pharoah’s current Timeform ranking makes him the most highly rated horse in North America since Ghostzapper (137), the 2004 Breeders’ Cup Classic winner. Ghostzapper, in turn, was the highest-rated North American horse since Cigar (138), the 1995 Breeders’ Cup Classic and 1996 Dubai World Cup winner. Timeform ratings were not produced for North American horses before the advent of the Breeders’ Cup in 1984.

Among US horses this century, Wise Dan (2012 and 2013), Point Given (2001) and Curlin (2008) all achieved annual ratings of 134. The fillies Zenyatta and Rachel Alexandra earned ratings of 131 and 130 respectively in 2009 and would have received an additional sex allowance when competing against males.



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Brilliant race. The jockey has to be congratulated for the ride. When you have the best horse in the race, ride it as such and he did it in both the Preakness and Belmont.

Kudos to the connections and what a wonderful horse. I'm sure we'll see him at stud next year in Aus - looking forward to that.


Wouldn't that be great to see him in Oz😃but only a select few will have the pleasure of using him...
I would be happy just to see him in the flesh👍
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Great performance to capture the Triple Crown.
 
Here is an interesting split screen ..... American Pharoah / Secretariat
 


Thanks for that Hollywood....uncanny
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Those stride angles are completely meaningless when one horse is clearly at or near top speed & the other, strong cantering at most Disapprove
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Those stride angles are completely meaningless when one horse is clearly at or near top speed & the other, strong cantering at most Disapprove

And different strides. Thumbs Up


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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Those stride angles are completely meaningless when one horse is clearly at or near top speed & the other, strong cantering at most Disapprove



And different strides. Thumbs Up


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Complete Travers Stakes Nominations

American Pharoah

Far Right

Face of Winner

Frammento

Frosted

Japan

Keen Ice

King of New York

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Mr. Z

Smart Transition

Tale of Verve

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Tommy Macho

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For those collectors amongst us.

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The Travers is known as the mid-summer derby here. The field certainly is indicative of that.
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I see 15,000 turned up at Saratoga to see him doing track work.
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