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2012 STUD FEE: USD 150,000
Died as a 27-y-o br horse (11.1f) AEI 1.94
PEDIGREE: Roberto (USA) (11.2f) — Andover Way (USA)  (His Majesty (USA) (f))
STANDING: Three Chimneys Farm, Kentucky (USA)
SIRE COMMENT: G2 9-10f US winner, very good sire on turf/dirt, has top-class 2yos, progeny usually progress well
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      2000 TO DATE     WINNERS-RUNNERS     WINS     RUNS     %     2ND     3RD     £ PRIZE
Worldwide G1      28-136  21%      35      286      12      35      33      9,480,230
Euro Stakes      32-79  41%      48      229      21      17      27      2,923,670

      1988 TO DATE     WINNERS-RUNNERS     WINS     RUNS     %     2ND     3RD     £ PRIZE
Flat      95-297  32%      134      849      16      108      107      2,746,817
All-weather      21-106  20%      29      183      16      20      27      130,948
Jumps      46-123  37%      72      486      15      57      55      529,539
2yo      34-107  32%      44      238      18      28      33      596,503
Broodmare sires      42-128  33%      56      471      12      45      58      266,167
5-6f      13-36  36%      13      50      26      3      8      109,055
7-9f      73-268  27%      105      516      20      89      64      4,708,461
10-11f      46-200  23%      57      362      t16      46      53      1,244,850
12-13f      34-146  23%      38      277      14      30      38      944,112
14f+      13-85  15%      19      158      12      15      17      633,757
Heavy           13      97      13      12      11      156,114
Soft           29      209      14      26      25      205,243
Gd-sft           32      249      13      31      29      1,017,157
Good           56      377      15      47      48      674,384
Gd-fm           71      365      19      45      44      1,166,544

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This may be easier to read http://bloodstock.racingpost.com/stallionbook/stallion.sd?horse_id=302069&popup=1
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What sort of mare would you send to him..??
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Dynaformer (USA)     
2012 STUD FEE: USD 150,000
Died as a 27-y-o br horse (11.1f) AEI 1.94
PEDIGREE: Roberto (USA) (11.2f) — Andover Way (USA)  (His Majesty (USA) (f))
STANDING: Three Chimneys Farm, Kentucky (USA)
SIRE COMMENT: G2 9-10f US winner, very good sire on turf/dirt, has top-class 2yos, progeny usually progress well
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Diesis      7-8 88%     20-88 23%      692,166      968,224
Seeking The Gold      4-7 57%     7-34 21%      205,721      237,036
Storm Cat      4-7 57%     14-80 18%      317,736      366,295
Mr Prospector      4-5 80%     8-47 17%      51,401      77,969
Danzig      4-5 80%     6-58 10%      30,166      61,868
Trempolino      4-4 100%     8-54 15%      30,794      51,163
Gone West      3-4 75%     3-31 10%      8,742      15,336
Nureyev      3-3 100%     7-20 35%      338,236      454,064
Kingmambo      2-5 40%     3-30 10%      31,588      135,867
Theatrical      2-3 67%     2-12 17%      11,278      15,659
Sadler´s Wells      2-2 100%     6-36 17%      85,329      146,389
Rainbow Quest      2-2 100%     5-16 31%      102,482      157,472
Riverman      2-2 100%     6-36 17%      49,137      57,220
Night Shift      2-2 100%     4-22 18%      14,908      24,704
Boundary      1-2 50%     1-5 20%      2,286      4,380
Woodman      1-2 50%     2-28 7%      4,421      10,193
Seattle Slew      1-2 50%     7-29 24%      36,285      42,460
Rich Cream      1-2 50%     2-6 33%      44,465      47,015
Dixieland Band      1-2 50%     2-5 40%      7,771      8,310
Caerleon      1-2 50%     3-19 16%      25,259      30,386
Daylami      1-2 50%     2-17 12%      13,681      16,906
Polish Patriot      1-2 50%     3-9 33%      41,185      43,419
Danehill      1-2 50%     1-5 20%      3,886      3,886
Quiet American      1-1 100%     4-14 29%      29,502      51,003
Gold Case      1-1 100%     2-4 50%      18,133      20,281
Play On      1-1 100%     5-34 15%      16,331      23,167
Grand Slam      1-1 100%     2-15 13%      4,938      11,826
Desert Prince      1-1 100%     2-14 14%      8,422      21,995
Stage Door Johnny      1-1 100%     4-31 13%      13,475      21,913
Distinctive      1-1 100%     2-10 20%      15,856      228,424
Slew City Slew      1-1 100%     4-25 16%      18,735      33,941
Ogygian      1-1 100%     4-31 13%      14,661      20,174
Ajdal      1-1 100%     1-3 33%      5,655      8,423
Sunny´s Halo      1-1 100%     2-43 5%      7,060      10,889
Exclusive Era      1-1 100%     9-39 23%      118,458      142,490
Crafty Prospector      1-1 100%     3-18 17%      17,638      23,555
Marfa      1-1 100%     1-21 5%      3,903      9,426
Topsider      1-1 100%     1-7 14%      2,911      10,423
Sportin´ Life      1-1 100%     3-11 27%      7,012      7,409
Shirley Heights      1-1 100%     1-1 100%      3,624      3,624
Secretariat      1-1 100%     1-6 17%      3,562      5,192
Rusticaro      1-1 100%     7-40 18%      36,499      64,272
Private Account      1-1 100%     1-4 25%      4,888      7,061
Northfields      1-1 100%     1-36 3%      2,510      15,502
Niniski      1-1 100%     6-22 27%      21,491      25,065
Miswaki      1-1 100%     1-7 14%      2,331      10,644
L´Emigrant      1-1 100%     2-6 33%      17,711      21,216
Known Fact      1-1 100%     2-7 29%      7,561      12,288
Flying Paster      1-1 100%     4-13 31%      18,855      22,924
Fit To Fight      1-1 100%     1-8 13%      2,914      6,015
Dr Blum      1-1 100%     1-8 13%      5,242      10,473
Devil´s Bag      1-1 100%     1-6 17%      3,239      3,816
Darshaan      1-1 100%     1-7 14%      2,264      6,297
Cure The Blues      1-1 100%     1-15 7%      2,785      5,835
Be My Guest      1-1 100%     2-8 25%      32,918      43,511
Ballad Rock      1-1 100%     2-20 10%      9,675      12,302
Auction Ring      1-1 100%     2-22 9%      8,650      26,069
Alzao      1-1 100%     1-4 25%      3,494      3,494
Ocean Crest      1-1 100%     2-9 22%      12,075      15,913
Swain      1-1 100%     2-9 22%      6,309      10,489
Bahri      1-1 100%     1-8 13%      4,075      5,324
Out Of Place      1-1 100%     1-14 7%      3,393      10,459
Emperor Jones      1-1 100%     6-32 19%      34,616      66,081
Magic Ring      1-1 100%     1-9 11%      3,239      12,059
Mujadil      1-1 100%     1-1 100%      3,886      3,886
Generous      1-1 100%     1-13 8%      4,047      11,390
Linamix      1-1 100%     5-8 63%      619,471      645,563
Machiavellian      1-1 100%     1-12 8%      2,523      4,327
Zilzal      1-1 100%     2-6 33%      39,491      42,181
Rahy      1-1 100%     1-4 25%      4,598      7,132
Unfuwain      1-1 100%     2-12 17%      27,754      109,790
Deputy Minister      0-2 0%     0-6 0%      -      -
Tough Critic      0-1 0%     0-2 0%      -      -
King´s Best      0-1 0%     0-2 0%      -      1,636
Nobloys      0-1 0%     0-5 0%      -      -
A.P. Indy      0-1 0%     0-1 0%      -      -
Zuppardo´s Prince      0-1 0%     0-5 0%      -      241
Cozzene      0-1 0%     0-4 0%      -      -
Blushing Groom      0-1 0%     0-11 0%      -      3,578
The Minstrel      0-1 0%     0-4 0%      -      -
Storm Bird      0-1 0%     0-3 0%      -      477
Sham      0-1 0%     0-1 0%      -      -
Lyphard´s Wish      0-1 0%     0-15 0%      -      836
Herbager      0-1 0%     0-3 0%      -      1,296
Forli      0-1 0%     0-8 0%      -      2,591
Affirmed      0-1 0%     0-5 0%      -      -
Loup Sauvage      0-1 0%     0-9 0%      -      1,688
Alydeed      0-1 0%     0-1 0%      -      -
Zafonic      0-1 0%     0-8 0%      -      -
Rainbow Corner      0-1 0%     0-19 0%      -      7,342
Shy Tom      0-1 0%     0-8 0%      -      4,068
Septieme Ciel      0-1 0%     0-5 0%      -      3,040
Polish Precedent      0-1 0%     0-7 0%      -      103
In The Wings      0-1 0%     0-1 0%      -      -
Mtoto      0-1 0%     0-1 0%      -      -
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AMERICA (IRE) [1997] 16yo ch f
Arazi (USA) - Green Rosy (USA) (Green Dancer (USA))

ARAZI (USA) (1989)
 Blushing Groom - Danseur Fabuleux

 Wins     Places     Starts     $PM     
249     502     2687     $5,754,899      
2012/13     8     25     116     $123,265      
2011/12     33     60     317     $412,687      
 Total Stakes Winners     Total Runners     Stakes Winners to Runners (AUS & NZ only)
All     7     93     7.5%
2yo     0     27     0.0% 
3yo     3     111     2.7% 
4yo     2     109     1.8% 
5yo+     2     95     2.1% 
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Overall     1447
Stakes     3564
Non Stakes     1423
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Spearmint, i think i know a mare that may well suit Americain. What do you think?
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Guys this is a stallion from the mighty Chelandry line.  You know like High Chaparral, Heroic, Zeditave, Forty Niner, Dignitas, Never Say Die, Sky High, Swale, Shadeed, Magpie, Neil Gow (in Wilkes), Believe It etc.  This line can throw a good sire and let's face it few stallions could be better looking or put together than this boy.
 
Just bring on the Juliet family and give it a go.  Alcopop's dam or sisters.  Any relations to So You Think out there wanting a suitable mate.  Or even all those Bel Esprit mares with their Wilkes blood. 
 
There is so much blood here just for the female line alone.
 
Good luck to Swettenham.  May another one of our Melbourne Cup winners (after At Talaq and Jeune etc) come up trumps.  This one could even go all the way and top the sires list.
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Not doing my job very well.  Another of the Juliet line saluted yesterday.  Testarhythm's dam is another line of which might cross with Americain.
 
You have the Blushing Groom /Nijinsky blood in his dam, Roberto/Ribot in his sire.
 
The immediate female line produced a G1 winner by Double Jay.  That brings Marscay blood into calcuations. 
 
There was a nice Machiavellian out of the second dam so that suggests the blood of Mr Prospector might work well.  Or the Danehill blood of Natalma.  The Halo/Hail to Reason blood there has already been tried with the Roberto/Hail to Reason sireline of Dynaformer.
 
Seems to me he has most of todays lines in Australia covered.  Just what the next generation sire needs.
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lovely staying horse,a little bit dear for mine!  could become another at talaq or jeune though!


Your first part was 100% spot on. Americain simply did not have the racing speed to be a good stallion. At Talaq and Jeune both proved they had top class racing speed. They where not just 2400m+ stayers.




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It looks more like Americain got his deeper stamina from his dams side to me, Dynaformer can put shorter course horse's down regularly can he not..?

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 Americain simply did not have the racing speed to be a good stallion. At Talaq and Jeune both proved they had top class racing speed. They where not just 2400m+ stayers.



I won't rush into agreeing with you at this early stage as his feet problems were well known but when they 1st surfaced is not & it's an accepted fact that sore horses are always looking for 'a bit more ground' Smile  Again, many will tag him as needing a good cushion underfoot thereby tagging his progeny as wet trackers but I would too, in his case.
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Not doing my job very well.  Another of the Juliet line saluted yesterday.  Testarhythm's dam is another line of which might cross with Americain.
 
You have the Blushing Groom /Nijinsky blood in his dam, Roberto/Ribot in his sire.
 
The immediate female line produced a G1 winner by Double Jay.  That brings Marscay blood into calcuations. 
 
There was a nice Machiavellian out of the second dam so that suggests the blood of Mr Prospector might work well.  Or the Danehill blood of Natalma.  The Halo/Hail to Reason blood there has already been tried with the Roberto/Hail to Reason sireline of Dynaformer.
 
Seems to me he has most of todays lines in Australia covered.  Just what the next generation sire needs.


Furious, if I could trouble you to ask: How might the Show A Heart mare, Hyacinths'N'Honey from an Hamas mare match Americain?
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Looks good on paper.  The only thing is all the recent black type is around Redoute's and his progeny or Xaar from his family.  Stralia, Mr Pesident, Comearoundsundown with Stratum, Xaar and Not a Single Doubt.
Maybe you don't have to look further but maybe look to see Vain in there also or some Mr Prospector.
 
Volts further back was a County (Vain) and Spend (Geiger Counter) and O'Connor (Ela-Mana_Mou). 
 
Now you had Stralia's dam by Quest for Fame a Blushing Groom line sire but she was unraced (could of been injured so no saying the cross didn't work just no sure thing). 
Likewise the ddam of Comearoundsundown was by More than Ready (Hail to Reason line sire) but she also was unraced.
 
A bit of Relko cross seems to work (as in Volts) and another had the cross to his dam's sire Relic (as in Bletchingly), Donatello 5f x 5m and Alycidon 5f x 4f.
 
In your pedigree you find Ribot 5m x 6m, Nasrullah 6m, 6m x 6m, Red God 5m x 5f, ND 5f, 6m x 6m, 5m and Nijinsky 5m x 5f.
 
The Roberto cross with Bletchingly has worked with Charge Forward being a prime example.  So that is in your favour.
 
Nothing against the cross but maybe the mareline is leading you to different options.
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Originally posted by mouse mouse wrote:

lovely staying horse,a little bit dear for mine!  could become another at talaq or jeune though!


Your first part was 100% spot on. Americain simply did not have the racing speed to be a good stallion. At Talaq and Jeune both proved they had top class racing speed. They where not just 2400m+ stayers.




He wasn't really trained to show speed over shorter trips, so I wouldn't hold that against him.

He win over 1400 as a2yo on debut.

Out here he was trained like a European stayer and was narrowly beaten first up in Australian cup.

Manighar had little speed when trained like a European stayer either.
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Also the Chelandry family is most know as milers.  They can and do win over a distance and a short trip but milers are usually the most likely breed you will get.
 
We cant go one with no ying to the yang of speed either.  We need a few top class stayer types in a pedigree every now again or we will end up with 800m squibs.
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furious, I don't have many mares that get over ground.  What do you think of Westminster Place (Westminster ex Honoured Place)  and Clio Soleil  (In Prosequi ex Meldtina)  Thanx
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Ok I haven't been asked but Jayzaa will hopefully excuse me for butting in.
From a pure pedigree perspective believe Westminster Place would go just great with a son on Lonhro such as Denman (sibs Grosvenor and Concia 3 x 4 and close up crosses of Sir T, Relic, Vain for speed) and O'Lonhro (same sibs and similar crosses with a balance of speed and starch).
 
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That's alright Runfor the second mare would be the better of the two with her Meld, Whistler, Gold Bridge, Ribot, Ambiorix, Atilla blood.  But the first mare you asked about is a better grade so probably your better bet.  Don't get thinking only staying mares will do for him.  As I tried to say above he comes from a miler family.

Wilkes, Mr Prospector, Darshaan, Djeddah, Sing Sing, Seattle Slew, Lomond (Nothern Dancer),  Baldric (therefore Without Fear) are some from the similar female line to Juliet.  Also the 3-e family of Show a Heart has mixed in well when you get all three lines going and 1-w likes the mix also.
 
You have the 1-w in Alycidon and Atilla and Ambiorix in Clio Soleil.  While in Hyacinths'n'Honey you have the 3-e blood of Show a Heart and Vice Regal.  The 13-c or Bismark and the 1-w of My Babu and Agricola.  Which is why she is still in front.
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Little birdie tells me he has over 50 mares booked in the USA already and a few good ones as well
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Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

Looks good on paper.  The only thing is all the recent black type is around Redoute's and his progeny or Xaar from his family.  Stralia, Mr Pesident, Comearoundsundown with Stratum, Xaar and Not a Single Doubt.
Maybe you don't have to look further but maybe look to see Vain in there also or some Mr Prospector.
 
Volts further back was a County (Vain) and Spend (Geiger Counter) and O'Connor (Ela-Mana_Mou). 
 
Now you had Stralia's dam by Quest for Fame a Blushing Groom line sire but she was unraced (could of been injured so no saying the cross didn't work just no sure thing). 
Likewise the ddam of Comearoundsundown was by More than Ready (Hail to Reason line sire) but she also was unraced.
 
A bit of Relko cross seems to work (as in Volts) and another had the cross to his dam's sire Relic (as in Bletchingly), Donatello 5f x 5m and Alycidon 5f x 4f.
 
In your pedigree you find Ribot 5m x 6m, Nasrullah 6m, 6m x 6m, Red God 5m x 5f, ND 5f, 6m x 6m, 5m and Nijinsky 5m x 5f.
 
The Roberto cross with Bletchingly has worked with Charge Forward being a prime example.  So that is in your favour.
 
Nothing against the cross but maybe the mareline is leading you to different options.


Thanks so much Furious. Appreciate.
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How much Roberto is a good/bad thing?? Would my mare have too much Roberto to go to Americain? Her names Giant Mystique
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Originally posted by Glencoe Glencoe wrote:

Spearmint, i think i know a mare that may well suit Americain. What do you think?
I think he would not be a bad match for LM. He is certainly a good type and was a quality racehorse.
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did i hear yesterday that the shares in this fellow were 30 K  for life time share,  didnt hear what you got 1 or 2 noms per ,does anyone know?
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Originally posted by maxamill maxamill wrote:

did i hear yesterday that the shares in this fellow were 30 K  for life time share,  didnt hear what you got 1 or 2 noms per ,does anyone know?


How many shares are being offered, and what would the total ownership shares amount too..?
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27 I believe. which would give them 810k straight up. These are breeding rights mind not ownership shares. They as in the current owners would still I daresay own him.
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Thnks , Not. Sure only heard the end of it on tvn the other day   When i heard it i tbought pretty reasonable but only nbreeding rights that changes it a bit so that's 4 noms in 3 years so 8 k per   Ok if he does
Something and. Not if he doesn't but would imagine may get some decent mares from the original owners
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I think Americain has a good chance, better than Jeune and At Talaq. reason being is that both J and AT looked like the more Nasrullah the mares had in their pedigree the better and as a result I think when bred together the results were pretty good but there was a greater diversity of bloodlines in the mare population back then, now there is less diversity and there is a huge population that have Danzig in their pedigrees.
 
with Americain, his pedigree suggests he would be good with mares with Traffic Judge (found in Redoute's Choice's pedigree), Admiral's Voyage (eg Danehill, Danzig), Khaled (eg Bianconi), The Minstrel, Halo and/or Machiavellian (eg Street Cry, More Than Ready). There is a huge mare population with all these bloodlines and owners that are looking for stallions that don't duplicate Danzig and hopefully don't produce horses that are only good in a 800-900m races, what are the chances that majority of the mares he gets will have the above bloodlines?
 
If/When he does produce good ones I believe it will likely be similar to what happened to Street Cry - his progeny dropped in value in the sales ring until horses like whobegotyou and shocking came along then his service fee rose dramatically
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What about my mare? Giant Mystique - would 3 x roberto be too much in a pedigree?
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