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America needs to ban guns, end of story.

I, like many, supported their rights, the 2nd Amendment.

But, it has to be eliminated.
Americas requires a sweeping resolve, by first taking everyones guns.

People such as Alex Jones, believes this leads to tyranny, ultimate power of dictators, etc
What they leave out in that fantasy, is that Police will still have guns.
The public must place faith in police.
Whilst there are indeed cases of police brutality, if public place ultimate faith in them to be the only ones with guns, it can actually positively empower the police, in a good way.
Police are there to PROTECT people, so it isnt even a total ban on guns, because police will still have them.

The whole Second Amendment is total garbage.
What right does some moron have to enter a shopping centre, a school, and just kill dozens of people.

Their access to such opportunity, is far too easy.

We can argue all day until the cows come home, that this is society having a mental breakdown, and we shouldnt blame guns.
However as it stands, guns are the very weapon causing massacres, so we can indeed blame the tool of choice too.

People like Alex Jones have to stop with the whole Tyranny fear mongering garbage, because there is  REAL FEAR  and a REAL TRUTH,  guns are smashing innocent people to pieces.
And THAT is the EXISTING Tyranny.
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But what about their well regulated militias without guns? Americans love a well regulated militia.
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And the dumbest argument of all: having guns, can shoot down people with guns.

Wow, really morons??
Where were all the "gun people" to shootdown todays shooter???

Epic fail.

Guns arent banned, yet nobody shot the shooter.
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They won’t do anything.
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Just like Obama did?
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That is why it takes a wave. Obama didn't control Congress.
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I suspect the issue is more complex than the Democrats taking control of Congress, the Senate and the White House being enough to bring reform.
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Party has a lot to do with it.

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2 major gun manufacturers Colt and Remington have filed for bankruptcy along with several large distributors over the last couple of years. 

There is a paradox in America regarding guns where the gun industry needs Republicans in power to protect gun rights laws, but when Republicans are in power people stop buying guns, believing their rights are safer so no need to stockpile. 

With Hillary expected to be elected President in 2016, gun manufacturers and distributors stocked up bigly expecting the gun sales boom under Obama to continue. Trump was surprisingly elected and sales collapsed forcing many companies into insolvency.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

2 major gun manufacturers Colt and Remington have filed for bankruptcy along with several large distributors over the last couple of years. 

There is a paradox in America regarding guns where the gun industry needs Republicans in power to protect gun rights laws, but when Republicans are in power people stop buying guns, believing their rights are safer so no need to stockpile. 

With Hillary expected to be elected President in 2016, gun manufacturers and distributors stocked up bigly expecting the gun sales boom under Obama to continue. Trump was surprisingly elected and sales collapsed forcing many companies into insolvency.

So shooting a bunch of babies at a Walmart might not be as profitable soon.


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If Democrats win across the board next year it will be huge for gun sales but perilous for gun rights.
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It's as clear as day to the whole world except America as to what the problem is!

They will never ban guns - I have a bunch of Facebook friends in USA, mostly older retiree ladies (crazy cat ladies) and all of them firmly believe in the right to bear arms. Doesn't matter how many mass shootings there are - that just firms up their belief they need their own protection.
It's crazy .......... but what else can you expect from a nation that elected an uncouth bully as their leader.
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Maybe all households should have the right to a Registered hand gun and heavily penalised if it is taken outside the house.
For use in home invasions / burglaries as a self defence.

Everyone had a gun in OZ 70 years ago , no problems .

Then they decided to house the criminally Insane in the community .

   We now pay the price for that brainless act.
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Originally posted by VSP. VSP. wrote:

It's as clear as day to the whole world except America as to what the problem is!

They will never ban guns - I have a bunch of Facebook friends in USA, mostly older retiree ladies (crazy cat ladies) and all of them firmly believe in the right to bear arms. Doesn't matter how many mass shootings there are - that just firms up their belief they need their own protection.
It's crazy .......... but what else can you expect from a nation that elected an uncouth bully as their leader.



but what else can you expect from a nation that elected an uncouth bully as their leader.


We did the same, his name was Abbott
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Originally posted by VSP. VSP. wrote:

It's as clear as day to the whole world except America as to what the problem is!

They will never ban guns - I have a bunch of Facebook friends in USA, mostly older retiree ladies (crazy cat ladies) and all of them firmly believe in the right to bear arms. Doesn't matter how many mass shootings there are - that just firms up their belief they need their own protection.
It's crazy .......... but what else can you expect from a nation that elected an uncouth bully as their leader.

VSP, there is hope. The political grip the NRA has on the Republican Party and politics in general appears to be weakening under pressure and multiple criminal and counter intelligence investigations and infighting that has seen changes in leadership accompanied by litigation has exposed major cracks in what has been seen as an impregnable front.

The Stoneman Douglas shooting last year with the worldwide reach of those kids who took up the cause of gun control manifest itself in the mid term elections half a dozen Democrats targeted strongly by the NRA influence machine getting elected anyway. 

One, the former Florida governor who had an A+ NRA rating and a record of record pro gun legislation for Florida changed his views after that school shooting and put restrictions in place. His term ended and he ran for Senate in November The NRA went after him and failed. It was seen as a significant shift. 
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More thoughts and prayers required in Ohio now. Reporting 10 or more killed in a shooting incident there 
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

More thoughts and prayers required in Ohio now. Reporting 10 or more killed in a shooting incident there 

Dont worry, Alex Jones will be addressing the world in 5 minutes to say its a left loony paid by George Soros.

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Originally posted by VSP. VSP. wrote:

It's as clear as day to the whole world except America as to what the problem is!

They will never ban guns - I have a bunch of Facebook friends in USA, mostly older retiree ladies (crazy cat ladies) and all of them firmly believe in the right to bear arms. Doesn't matter how many mass shootings there are - that just firms up their belief they need their own protection.
It's crazy .......... but what else can you expect from a nation that elected an uncouth bully as their leader.

I also have quite a few friends in the States, and most of them are old ladies like me, and they too are all firmly for being allowed to carry a gun for protection.  Like a small little hand gun stuffed in your hand bag is going to save you when some nutter starts shooting with a high powered rapid shot weapon ( that only armed forces should have, or need,  access to ) in a shopping mall full of people. Wacko
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Originally posted by VSP. VSP. wrote:

It's as clear as day to the whole world except America as to what the problem is!

They will never ban guns - I have a bunch of Facebook friends in USA, mostly older retiree ladies (crazy cat ladies) and all of them firmly believe in the right to bear arms. Doesn't matter how many mass shootings there are - that just firms up their belief they need their own protection.
It's crazy .......... but what else can you expect from a nation that elected an uncouth bully as their leader.

I also have quite a few friends in the States, and most of them are old ladies like me, and they too are all firmly for being allowed to carry a gun for protection.  Like a small little hand gun stuffed in your hand bag is going to save you when some nutter starts shooting with a high powered rapid shot weapon ( that only armed forces should have, or need,  access to ) in a shopping mall full of people. Wacko

Well geez, that worked well today.
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America and its huge fascination with guns, they will never ever get it
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More thoughts and prayers required in Ohio now. Reporting 10 or more killed in a shooting incident there 

Dont worry, Alex Jones will be addressing the world in 5 minutes to say its a left loony paid by George Soros.


Did Viktor ever give Soros his money back?

PS the loony right are blaming video games.Dead

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Americans will never get rid of their guns, because most of the ones that have guns  are paranoid.


“There are terrorists and home invaders and drug cartels and carjackers and knockout gamers and rapers, haters, campus killers, airport killers … I ask you: do you trust the government to protect you? We are on our own … The things we care about most are changing … It’s why more and more Americans are buying firearms and ammunition.”

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Fear, baby, fear. Fear of each other, fear of the world, but above all, fear of democracy and their own government.


It’s crazy, but we have to face the facts: Our prolonged gun control stalemate reflects the far-right’s deep distrust of democracy, and it’s worsened by a party that panders to that paranoid base. Increasingly this right-wing fringe believes it’s going to need its guns to overthrow an illegitimate government—especially the one run by gun-grabbing Barack Obama. They’ve been shrieking that Obama is coming for their guns since before he became president—the NRA mailed its devotees a 10-point guide to the way Obama would eviscerate the Second Amendment in 2008. He did anything but; in his first year he signed a law overturning a ban on loaded and concealed guns in national parks in 2009. He left the issue of gun control alone, only talking about it three times during the 2012 campaign.

The passion for guns has political and cultural roots in our origin as a nation that laudably threw off tyranny—while shamefully killing the people who lived here first, as “settlers” claimed the “frontier.” The continued mania for guns to ward off tyranny, even after we’d overthrown our oppressors and settled the country by any means necessary, is a holdover from the Civil War, when the South violently seceded to protect slavery. There remains a suspicion, in the red states of the South and mountain West, but even in some pockets of blue states, that the elected government isn’t entirely legitimate, and they may have to rely on “Second Amendment remedies,” in Nevada Senate candidate Sharron Angle’s unforgettable phrase, to overthrow it.

Unbelievably, the conservative majority on the John Roberts Supreme Court went so far as to redefine the Second Amendment to block what had been established efforts by local, state, and federal elected officials to place restrictions on individual gun ownership, in its infamous 2008 Heller decision.


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Yes blame Trump of course, not one single shooting happened when Obama was in power
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People say its a culture problem.
Its a culture in decline.
Its essentially a nation of naughty children, and naughty children need their toys confiscated until they grow up and prove themselves capable of playing with their toys properly.

When the 2nd Amendment was written, it was written at a time when people werent running into a village or town and just mindlessly shooting innocent people for zero reason, on mass.
Had Americas forefathers known this would happen, there is absolutely no way they would have written the 2nd Amendment.
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Yes blame Trump of course, not one single shooting happened when Obama was in power

 
In his ''manifesto'' he specifically asked on the bottom of the 4th page to not blame Trump or certain Congressmen(presumably gun loving ones) yet quoted Trump and his Fox advisers many times through it, using the very same rhetoric.

He never quoted Obama.
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Dont know if it is true or not but I read this morning Trump people are removing the Trump tweets that refer to ''invasion'' of which there are many, because the terrorist used that term so many times in his ''manifesto''
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Blame trump lol, once he is out of office in 4 more years, all the shootings will stop and everyone will live happily ever after
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