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    Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 6:42am
https://www.racing.com/news/2018-11-19/melbourne-to-host-rich-mile-race

Racing Victoria (RV) has today announced a new $5 million Weight for Age mile race to be run during the 2019 Autumn Carnival. 

The All-Star Mile will be on of the richest mile race in the world and the public will get a chance to decide the field via public ballot. 

To be run during the Autumn Carnival, the first edition of the race will be at Flemington on March 16, 2019. 

Of the 14 spots, up for grabs in the field, 10 will be decided by public vote with the remaining four 'wildcards' at the discretion of RV. 

Successful racing fans who are allocated a horse on the day will become a nominal owner and share in the enormous prize purse. 

RV CEO Giles Thompson said the race will rotate annually between the three major metropolitan clubs which will see the race held at Flemington, Moonee Valley and Caulfield. 

Thompson stated, “The core of the race will be the same year in, year out, but the experience will be totally different because the clubs will bring what they bring.

The fans just want to get involved and this enables them to get involved.”

 “Our autumn racing schedule is pretty impressive with Super Saturday … but we felt it could do with an injection of newness and innovation,” he said.

“This really does that; it will create a lot of interest and be the real feature event of the carnival. The two states are very different and bring different things to the racing calendar.

“This is something they couldn’t do in Sydney because they don’t have three different metro clubs for starters. Similarly, you could argue, could we do something like the Everest down in Melbourne? But it’s not about that, it’s about us bringing our own things to the racing schedule,” said Thompson.



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The next step will be an app to vote on the winner too, then they won’t have to waste time watching horses run around at the risk of missing something important in the marquee.
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Interesting initiative. It will be interesting to see how it is being funded.
Similar concept I suppose to the Arima Kinen in Japan with the fans voting for the starters etc.

I see they are targeting Winx. But if they get her will they get anywhere near a full field? It would just be a jog around the block for her like the Ryder each year. The Cox Plate is the same money and they only get 7-8 horses for that so might struggle for more in this if Winx is there. But if not you would expect a decent field for it including some 3yo milers targeting it.
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Timing seems a bit strange...

Same day as the G1 Coolmore Classic.. you'd imagine the owners of the fillies and mares would be more interested in blacktype?

A week after the G1 Australia Cup over 2000m, and the Randwick Guineas over 1600m... a week before the Rosehill Guineas, George Ryder and Ranvet.

Not sure they could have picked a busier period for a race over that distance.. middle of most horses preps too. Guess the Australian Guineas and Chipping Norton lead into it well.. three weeks back to the Doncaster is probably doable, but not sure what they'd do with the Queen Elizabeth horses...
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It’s actually what this country sorely lacks- a big WFA mile. The others are “lead up races”. But I don’t think this is the way to go about it. More Vic/NSW chest beating- to the detriment of scheduling as a whole.

I can just see V’landys plotting his next move...
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

It’s actually what this country sorely lacks- a big WFA mile. The others are “lead up races”. But I don’t think this is the way to go about it. More Vic/NSW chest beating- to the detriment of scheduling as a whole.

I can just see V’landys plotting his next move...



It sure does lack a big mile wfa race ... which will attract the best possible field. If you were deciding where to place that race on the national calendar where would it be? I would have a hard time working out the date even with my utter impartiality. In a perfect world, to get the perfect result, I would probably have to delete a race or two to maximise the effectiveness of the new race.



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I hope they vote in Vianden, or some other country slug.
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Excellent timing. Right after everyone complaining how gelati the prizemoney is on Sandown Cup day. 
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The money on Saturday was deplorable.
Standard Saturday money for Group and Listed races



I see they want Winx in this race
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The two clear favourites in Australia's top mile wfa race held next autumn would be Winx and TAS. I have no idea who would be third favourite- daylight. What are the odds of either of those two running in this race?
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

It’s actually what this country sorely lacks- a big WFA mile. The others are “lead up races”. But I don’t think this is the way to go about it. More Vic/NSW chest beating- to the detriment of scheduling as a whole.

I can just see V’landys plotting his next move...



It sure does lack a big mile wfa race ... which will attract the best possible field. If you were deciding where to place that race on the national calendar where would it be? I would have a hard time working out the date even with my utter impartiality. In a perfect world, to get the perfect result, I would probably have to delete a race or two to maximise the effectiveness of the new race.



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I'd have it in the Spring.  For one thing, if they want a public vote Spring is when the general public are thinking about racing.  I like the idea of it rotating between clubs.  I'd have it rotating between Caulfield Cup Day, Cox Plate Day and Derby Day.  And I'd have it so that the year it's run on CC Day, they don't have the Toorak.  The year it's at MV they don't run the Crystal Mile.  The year it's at Flemington they either don't run the Cantala or they move it to another day. 
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Flemington gets the race first.

TAS will be targeting the Australian Guineas the week before also over 1600m. Would he backup? before maybe going to Sydney

What will this race do to the Australian Cup?

Maybe... they should have switched the Australian Cup to 1600m with the 5M in prizemoney, just a thought.

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Originally posted by Campaspe Campaspe wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

It’s actually what this country sorely lacks- a big WFA mile. The others are “lead up races”. But I don’t think this is the way to go about it. More Vic/NSW chest beating- to the detriment of scheduling as a whole.

I can just see V’landys plotting his next move...



It sure does lack a big mile wfa race ... which will attract the best possible field. If you were deciding where to place that race on the national calendar where would it be? I would have a hard time working out the date even with my utter impartiality. In a perfect world, to get the perfect result, I would probably have to delete a race or two to maximise the effectiveness of the new race.



Aaarrrrgh this freaking American spell-checker- get rid of it.Angry I know how to spell in the English language.


I'd have it in the Spring.  For one thing, if they want a public vote Spring is when the general public are thinking about racing.  I like the idea of it rotating between clubs.  I'd have it rotating between Caulfield Cup Day, Cox Plate Day and Derby Day.  And I'd have it so that the year it's run on CC Day, they don't have the Toorak.  The year it's at MV they don't run the Crystal Mile.  The year it's at Flemington they either don't run the Cantala or they move it to another day. 


The obvious place for it would be as a replacement for the Toorak handicap. Australia doesn't need another mile handicap- there is the Epsom a fortnight earlier and the whatever they call that Flemington race at the end of the carnival for handicappers.
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What gelatity mountain name can we give it? The Colgate Optic White Nanga Parbat.?
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They will have Winx firmly in their sights.
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Does this race replace the Blamey?
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Originally posted by pnclick pnclick wrote:

Flemington gets the race first.

TAS will be targeting the Australian Guineas the week before also over 1600m. Would he backup? before maybe going to Sydney

What will this race do to the Australian Cup?

Maybe... they should have switched the Australian Cup to 1600m with the 5M in prizemoney, just a thought.


Why would TAS target the Australian Guineas? Unless Waller has stated that he will makes no sense, it's a nothing race. TAS would most likely go Hobartville - Randwick Guineas - Rosehill Guineas - QE.
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by Campaspe Campaspe wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

It’s actually what this country sorely lacks- a big WFA mile. The others are “lead up races”. But I don’t think this is the way to go about it. More Vic/NSW chest beating- to the detriment of scheduling as a whole.

I can just see V’landys plotting his next move...



It sure does lack a big mile wfa race ... which will attract the best possible field. If you were deciding where to place that race on the national calendar where would it be? I would have a hard time working out the date even with my utter impartiality. In a perfect world, to get the perfect result, I would probably have to delete a race or two to maximise the effectiveness of the new race.



Aaarrrrgh this freaking American spell-checker- get rid of it.Angry I know how to spell in the English language.


I'd have it in the Spring.  For one thing, if they want a public vote Spring is when the general public are thinking about racing.  I like the idea of it rotating between clubs.  I'd have it rotating between Caulfield Cup Day, Cox Plate Day and Derby Day.  And I'd have it so that the year it's run on CC Day, they don't have the Toorak.  The year it's at MV they don't run the Crystal Mile.  The year it's at Flemington they either don't run the Cantala or they move it to another day. 


The obvious place for it would be as a replacement for the Toorak handicap. Australia doesn't need another mile handicap- there is the Epsom a fortnight earlier and the whatever they call that Flemington race at the end of the carnival for handicappers.


Scrap that idea- no 3yos- has to be autumn.

The result of this race will be even weaker fields. You will look at the acceptances of this race and the multiple Sydney alternatives around the same time and go WTF!Shocked Too much milk- not enough cream.
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It's good to see them thinking outside the square finally but I agree it would work much better in the Spring. IF Winx comes back well she'll be going for the QE and her big farewell so I really can't see Waller putting her on a float mid preparation for one race. TAS I think will go Doncaster rather than take Winx on in anything.
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Let's see Beauty Generation here for it. Then we send Winx down on a float!
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So the public is going to vote on who gets a run? They better be careful with this one or they’ll have another Badger’s Wood on their hands!
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Originally posted by ExceedAndExcel ExceedAndExcel wrote:

So the public is going to vote on who gets a run? They better be careful with this one or they’ll have another Badger’s Wood on their hands!


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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by ExceedAndExcel ExceedAndExcel wrote:

So the public is going to vote on who gets a run? They better be careful with this one or they’ll have another Badger’s Wood on their hands!


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LOL Everytime they run a public vote, they end up with the joke response. 

Maybe Crafty Cruiser or a rematch with Skyfire
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I might have to get my trainers license and put the old girl Richters Gift back into work, surely TBV can help her get a run?
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Historically there was a WFA mile at the VRC Autumn meeting for 100 years before it was dumped in 1966.  

It was originally known as the VRC All Aged Stakes and it was won three times by the great Carbine.  From around 1905 it was renamed the CM Lloyd Stakes and was won by the Hall of Famers Wakeful, Eurythmic (twice) Amounis, Ajax (twice) High Caste Tranquil Star (thrice) and Sky High (twice) before it was last run in 1965 and won by Ripa.  It was also the race in which Phar Lap was upset at the peak of his powers by Waterline in 1931.

Makes me wonder why they ever cut it.

A few years ago the MTC ran the Futurity at a mile as part of an Asian challenge series but they didn't persist with it.  They should have. 

The current proposal is another over staked novelty race that we really don't need.   
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Originally posted by ExceedAndExcel ExceedAndExcel wrote:

So the public is going to vote on who gets a run? They better be careful with this one or they’ll have another Badger’s Wood on their hands!

I'm sure it's like the Kosciusko and you can only vote from a pre-selected list.
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Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Originally posted by ExceedAndExcel ExceedAndExcel wrote:

So the public is going to vote on who gets a run? They better be careful with this one or they’ll have another Badger’s Wood on their hands!

I'm sure it's like the Kosciusko and you can only vote from a pre-selected list.

That's not what the Kozzy had, they had a suggested list put together by Racing NSW, you could pick outside of that list but it was a tool for people that didn't know the horses as well to get a good idea of who was available/good enough.

But surely they will have to do that for this, then the 4 'wildcard' spots might be used to try and get overseas horses.
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