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The dude who has purchased The Autumn Sun knows exactly what Redoute's are like, which is why I find stories of him campaigning past his 3yos season and campaigning overseas extremely hard to believe.
"Even the things that I believe in the most, I doubt.”
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lordy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2018 at 3:48pm
Originally posted by pnclick pnclick wrote:

Originally posted by Formerly Kincsem Formerly Kincsem wrote:

Does not sit comfortably that The Autumn Sun's connections are publicly confirming they intend to  dodge Winx. I find it absolutely pathetic and particularly when they state they wouldn't want to beat her like they think they have a live chance. Personally I wouldn't support the horse at stud out of principle and the fact I think Redoubt's are pea-hearted just like the owners.

Harsh, yes. But imagine if Northerly was campaigned around Sunline. What a build-up if they both ran, would be great for racing.


Sounds a bit like SEPOY actively dodging BLACK CAVIAR. It was indicated early on he would not take her on and look for other races, trying to protect stud value.

Personally, I think Group 1 races should be heavily cut back to encourage the best to race the best. And even change the prizemoney structure of these races so they are not so heavily geared to the winner. The issue you have at the moment is why race for 2nd against WINX in say the Group 1 Turnbull Stakes, when 2nd prizemoney is less than winning most normal races.

Keep yourself in the best company and your horses in the worst. Makes sense to me if people want to target races they can win and avoid those they can't.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tontonan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2018 at 5:50pm
I can't help myself Lordy... Have you always applied the same wisdom to your race track experience - and I am not talking about the company you keep, more your horse...

If not, what changed your mind ? Big smile
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Ole Buff never dodged anything. But he was a gelding I suppose. If you’ve got a well bred youngster, steer him into one of the plethora of substandard G1 races in the country and Hey Presto. Hopefully then one of his babies can do the same. Rinse, repeat.

Even heard some leading trainers around refer to (market themselves) as “stallion makers”. And in the meantime, our horses are getting worse.
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Why would anyone in there right mind send an expensive colt around to run 2nd, 2nd, 2nd when you could go 1st, 1st, 1st in other G1 races
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Originally posted by TJMitchell TJMitchell wrote:

Why would anyone in there right mind send an expensive colt around to run 2nd, 2nd, 2nd when you could go 1st, 1st, 1st in other G1 races

Does running second to Black Caviar as opposed to beating a far lesser horse make him better? Likely to be a better stallion? To rich morons, probably yes.
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I don’t see how running 2nd to Winx would make any difference to his stud career.
His DNA is not going to change, he is either going to be a stud champion or a dud.
His racing career from here on in is irrelevant.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lordy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2018 at 8:59pm
By not racing Winx they could always fan the flames of speculation that he could have beaten her.
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This war between Sydney and Melbourne is only hurting racing, there needs to be a national independent body rather then the current model that works on self interest. For mine Melbourne started this by allowing their autumn carnival to encrouch on the Sydney autumn.
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Took me an hour to find this
The search function here is dreadful

Voting now open at Allstarmile.com.au
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Here is the leaderboard after 20mins of voting

TOP 10 ALL-STARS LEADERBOARD
Horse          # Votes
1     Urban Ruler          16
2     Grunt          14
3     Mystic Journey          14
4     The Autumn Sun          13
5     Hellova Street          12
6     Amphitrite          11
7     Violate          10
8     Aristia          8
9     Hartnell          7
10     Moss 'n' Dale          7
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10.30am update. Looks like a lot of votes already cast. Open for a month. 1 vote per person.



TOP 10 ALL-STARS LEADERBOARD
Horse & # Votes
1     Man of His Word 219
2     Urban Ruler     181
3     The Autumn Sun 160
4     Amphitrite 145
5     Mr Money Bags 137
6     Foundry     121
7     Grunt     95
8     Hellova Street     93
9     Land of Plenty     80
10     Alizee 74

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Originally posted by Hartnell is dominant Hartnell is dominant wrote:

Took me an hour to find this
The search function here is dreadful

Voting now open at Allstarmile.com.au


I'll change it to All Star Mile & there's nothing wrong with the search as long as you use Advanced, change Message to Topic and know what word to look for LOL
Some titles defy all logic Confused
Experience is something you gain a few minutes after you could have used it!
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Thanks Gay3

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It helps when you have over 1000 owners.


Horse          # Votes
1     Urban Ruler          765
2     Man of His Word     426
3     The Autumn Sun     350
4     Mr Money Bags     344
5     Amphitrite          331
6     Foundry                  260
7     Moss 'n' Dale          228
8     Grunt                  195
9     Land of Plenty          182
10     Aristia                  176
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kavg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jan 2019 at 1:21pm
Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Originally posted by Hartnell is dominant Hartnell is dominant wrote:

Took me an hour to find this
The search function here is dreadful

Voting now open at Allstarmile.com.au



I'll change it to All Star Mile & there's nothing wrong with the search as long as you use Advanced, change Message to Topic and know what word to look for LOL
Some titles defy all logic Confused

If the top 10 remain the same then you may have to change it again and drop Star from the title.
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The Autumn Sun would be Winx odds in that field , at WFA
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He is doubtful according to Sportsbet.
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Hope it’s okay if I keep positing the leaderboard, let me know if you want me to stop.
Will update every few days, just doing it semi regular today because it’s day 1

1     Urban Ruler          1054
2     Man of His Word     488
3     The Autumn Sun     451
4     Amphitrite          425
5     Mr Money Bags     397
6     Moss 'n' Dale          351
7     Foundry                  308
8     Grunt                  265
9     Land of Plenty          241
10     Violate                  241
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Originally posted by Hartnell is dominant Hartnell is dominant wrote:

Hope it’s okay if I keep positing the leaderboard, let me know if you want me to stop.
Will update every few days, just doing it semi regular today because it’s day 1

1     Urban Ruler          1054
2     Man of His Word     488
3     The Autumn Sun     451
4     Amphitrite          425
5     Mr Money Bags     397
6     Moss 'n' Dale          351
7     Foundry                  308
8     Grunt                  265
9     Land of Plenty          241
10     Violate                  241

Thanks, it's handy, the site is blocked outside of Australia so I can't check myself. 
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5.30pm update

TOP 10 ALL-STARS LEADERBOARD
Horse          # Votes
1     Urban Ruler          1400
2     The Autumn Sun     625
3     Man of His Word     552
4     Moss 'n' Dale          465
5     Amphitrite          456
6     Mr Money Bags     382
7     Grunt                  339
8     Penny to Sell          315
9     Foundry                  311
10     Material Man          304
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The Autumn Sun will start at money back against that lot.
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You can get $8 now
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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

The Autumn Sun will start at money back against that lot.

They add four wild cards to the race two weeks before so he may get some competition in the form of that. 
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Voting goes for 4 weeks.
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Originally posted by Hartnell is dominant Hartnell is dominant wrote:

5.30pm update

TOP 10 ALL-STARS LEADERBOARD
Horse          # Votes
1     Urban Ruler          1400
2     The Autumn Sun     625
3     Man of His Word     552
4     Moss 'n' Dale          465
5     Amphitrite          456
6     Mr Money Bags     382
7     Grunt                  339
8     Penny to Sell          315
9     Foundry                  311
10     Material Man          304

Most of this top 10's votes have actually dropped since you posted this.
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That’s very bizarre
I have the screen shot showing my above post as accurate.
Don’t know what’s going on.
Unless some have been deemed ineligible
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They have been fluctuating a lot the last 2 hours or so.
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They run the risk of a loss of credibility for this race before it’s even been run if some of these get a guernsey. Do you really want a $5m race with horses that can’t even win a class 6 at the Sunshine Coast?
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Originally posted by Hartnell is dominant Hartnell is dominant wrote:

Hope it’s okay if I keep positing the leaderboard, let me know if you want me to stop.
Will update every few days, just doing it semi regular today because it’s day 1

1     Urban Ruler          1054
2     Man of His Word     488
3     The Autumn Sun     451
4     Amphitrite          425
5     Mr Money Bags     397
6     Moss 'n' Dale          351
7     Foundry                  308
8     Grunt                  265
9     Land of Plenty          241
10     Violate                  241



Maybe Tilyras who owns Mr M can enlighten us as to what’s going on with 5hese very bizarre numbers
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