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    Posted: 19 Aug 2018 at 7:39pm
Alessandro Brown Colt 2015  
Fiorente (IRE)
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Monsun
Bay or brown 1990
Konigsstuhl
Brown 1976
Dschingis Khan
Brown 1961
Tamerlane
Donna Diana
1952
1956
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6-e
Konigskronung
Brown 1965
Tiepoletto
Kronung
1956
1957
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Mosella
Bay 1985
Surumu
Chestnut 1974
Literat
Surama
1965
1970
7-b
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Monasia
Bay 1979
Authi
Monacensia
1970
1969
14-b
8-a
Desert Bloom
Bay 2000
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1976
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Cocotte
Bay 1983
Troy
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1976
1977
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Desert Beauty
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Green Desert
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Danzig
Foreign Courier
1977
1979
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Hellenic
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Darshaan
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1978
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Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
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Natalma
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Fairy Bridge
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Urban Sea
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Allegretta
Chestnut 1978
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Anatevka
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1969
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Valdara
Bay or brown 1991
Darshaan
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Valverda
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Closely related on the female side to The Offer (Sydney Cup etc).
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If this colt goes on to win the VRC Derby......don’t steal my kudos Djebel

Posted something in the ‘bred to stay’ thread on him earlier today. Great pedigree.

But on a serious note he did round them up nicely today. Here’s hoping he works his way through the grades, not overtaxed & lines up in the 2500m Classic
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LOL  I posted a tweet discreetly bagging the placement of the horse, thinking the race was over 1200m, And I have never been a fan of the surface.

I look at the result and see he won and was heart broken. Than I watched the replay and was quite impressed.




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what is going on with this king? Saw he was nommed MV last week but didn't accept, can't see noms for this week. I've dropped between 20 and 50K on him for the Derby, I need to know if I should start to book the catering for the celebrations or whether I have been led astray by a false idol.
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Where is Ajmif???????????
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I thought he was sold to Hong Kong?
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That hurts me deeply.

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Where is Ajmif???????????
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Can’t find the tweet that said it now so could be wrong
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He’s entered for the trials at Cranbourne on Monday. So hopefully that means he’s still on track for a VRC Derby campaign.
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Race 2 - Super Vobis Three-Years-Old Handicap (1600 METRES)
Of $120,000.1st $66,000, 2nd $21,600, 3rd $10,800, 4th $6,000, 5th $3,600, 6th $2,400, 7th $2,400, 8th $2,400, 9th $2,400, 10th $2,400
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Handicap, Minimum Weight 54kg, Three-Years-Old, Apprentices can claim.
This race carries a SUPER VOBIS Nominators Bonus of $7,000 and a SUPER VOBIS Owners Bonus of $23,000 for qualified horses.

Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 4 

Field Limit: 16 + 4 EM

 Last 10HorseSexAgeTrainerBallotWeightPenaltyHcp Rating
1512x32MUSWELLBROOKSuper Vobis Bonus SchemeG3David & B Hayes & T Dabernig160kg70
2414200x96SEBERATESuper Vobis Bonus SchemeC3David & B Hayes & T Dabernig259.5kg69
3811TAVIRUN (NZ)G3Trent Busuttin & Natalie Young359kg68
4647x117A FIGHTING FURYSuper Vobis Bonus SchemeC3David & B Hayes & T Dabernig458kg66
53x242x53ARISTIAF3Mathew Ellerton & Simon Zahra555kg64
621EXTRA BRUTSuper Vobis Bonus SchemeC3Darren Weir657kg64
7231BRILLIANT CHOICEC3Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes756.5kg63
8135MURLESS (NZ)G3Trent Busuttin & Natalie Young856.5kg63
918SAVVY OAK (NZ)G3Trent Busuttin & Natalie Young956.5kg63
101TOLEMACG3Francis Finnegan1056.5kg63
1119DOROZA (NZ)C3Matt Cumani1156.5kg63
121ALESSANDROSuper Vobis Bonus SchemeC3Robbie Griffiths1256.5kg63
131x4BOTTI (NZ)G3Murray Baker & Andrew Forsman1356.5kg63
1437x54272FIRSTCLASS DREAMERC3Matthew Brown1456kg62
15715x22LOUIE THE LEGENDSuper Vobis Bonus SchemeC3Trent Busuttin & Natalie Young1556kg62
164x61MR EXCLUSIVESuper Vobis Bonus SchemeG3Matthew Brown1656kg62
174x21SACCHAROSuper Vobis Bonus SchemeC3Archie Alexander1756kg62
1831GLOBAL EXCHANGEC3Ciaron Maher & David Eustace1856kg62
19743x831THUNDERDOMEG3Leon & Troy Corstens1955.5kg61
20140x86SYD’S COINC3Ken Keys2055.5kg61
21545x39GREEN IVYSuper Vobis Bonus SchemeG3Ken Keys2155kg60
227x2OPPOSITESuper Vobis Bonus SchemeG3Danny O'Brien2254.5kg59
2383VOW AND DECLAREG3Danny O'Brien2354.5kg59
249GRINZINGER STAR (NZ)C3Danny O'Brien2454.5kg59
255x7CHARITABLE NATUREF3Danny O'Brien2554kg56
2678x64STARS OF CARRUMSuper Vobis Bonus SchemeC3Robbie Laing2654kg52


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So was he sold to HK after all? Is it in any derby markets? I’m probably blind but could t see it.
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Originally posted by ExceedAndExcel ExceedAndExcel wrote:

So was he sold to HK after all? Is it in any derby markets? I’m probably blind but could t see it.

Entries have not been taken for the Derby.

The only way he will be in markets is if you ask your bookie to put him in.

And we all know they throw them in well unders when you do that.




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He wouldn't have qualified for HK after that win alone. If he runs top 3 on the weekend then expect some offers to come rolling in.
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Originally posted by TJMitchell TJMitchell wrote:

He wouldn't have qualified for HK after that win alone. If he runs top 3 on the weekend then expect some offers to come rolling in.

Are you sure ?

What are the qualifying conditions ?

I know they take unraced horses and I am sure I have seen once raced horses.



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By the way I certainly hope he does not end up up there.



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He must stay here race here as a 3yo. 

If he's a gelding then take the HK offers next year as their Derbies are for Southern Hemisphere 4yo's  
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by ExceedAndExcel ExceedAndExcel wrote:

So was he sold to HK after all? Is it in any derby markets? I’m probably blind but could t see it.


Entries have not been taken for the Derby.

The only way he will be in markets is if you ask your bookie to put him in.

And we all know they throw them in well unders when you do that.






Entries don’t need to have been taken. There are markets up but he’s not in them as far as I can tell so just must not be on the radar enough yet. Which is a shame because I would probably have a speculator on him.
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Originally posted by ExceedAndExcel ExceedAndExcel wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by ExceedAndExcel ExceedAndExcel wrote:

So was he sold to HK after all? Is it in any derby markets? I’m probably blind but could t see it.


Entries have not been taken for the Derby.

The only way he will be in markets is if you ask your bookie to put him in.

And we all know they throw them in well unders when you do that.






Entries don’t need to have been taken. There are markets up but he’s not in them as far as I can tell so just must not be on the radar enough yet. Which is a shame because I would probably have a speculator on him.


LOL

Not sure if you read my whole post.

I know when I ask a bookie to add a horse it is nearly always at some shorter quote than I'd expected.







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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by ExceedAndExcel ExceedAndExcel wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by ExceedAndExcel ExceedAndExcel wrote:

So was he sold to HK after all? Is it in any derby markets? I’m probably blind but could t see it.


Entries have not been taken for the Derby.

The only way he will be in markets is if you ask your bookie to put him in.

And we all know they throw them in well unders when you do that.






Entries don’t need to have been taken. There are markets up but he’s not in them as far as I can tell so just must not be on the radar enough yet. Which is a shame because I would probably have a speculator on him.



LOL

Not sure if you read my whole post.

I know when I ask a bookie to add a horse it is nearly always at some shorter quote than I'd expected.










Yes I read it and replied appropriately.

Moot point though as I just saw that BetEasy have him in their market.

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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by TJMitchell TJMitchell wrote:

He wouldn't have qualified for HK after that win alone. If he runs top 3 on the weekend then expect some offers to come rolling in.

Are you sure ?

What are the qualifying conditions ?

I know they take unraced horses and I am sure I have seen once raced horses.


The rules have recently changed where a raced horse needs to receive a HK70 rating at least to qualify. This is at the discretion of the HK handicappers and sometimes to the frustration of myself lol. We recently had Traminer qualify for a 70 rating after one start one win but also had a UK horse knocked back with a record of 5 starts: 1 win, 2 placings.

The old rule was win a race worth at least $17k or something like that and you qualify. New rule was bought in to increase the quality of the raced horses entering HK but all I've noticed is they now cost more money lol.
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Nominated for Flemington on Wednesday over 1420m & the derby trial over 1600m.
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Race 7 - 4:30PM AAMI Victoria Derby Trial (1800 METRES)Times displayed in local time of Race Meeting
Of $60,000.1st $33,000, 2nd $10,800, 3rd $5,400, 4th $3,000, 5th $1,800, 6th $1,200, 7th $1,200, 8th $1,200, 9th $1,200, 10th $1,200
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This race carries a SUPER VOBIS Nominators Bonus of $4,500 and a SUPER VOBIS Owners Bonus of $10,500 for qualified horses.
VOBIS Gold 3YO Horse Owners Bonus: $20,000


Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 4 

Field Limit: 13 + 4 EM

NoLast 10HorseTrainerJockeyBarrierWeightPenaltyHcp Rating
1321x32x000TIESTOMathew Ellerton & Simon ZahraDamian Lane1157.5kg64
23114APPROACH DISCREETDarren WeirJohn Allen1056.5kg68
344x3171413FUN FACTGai Waterhouse & Adrian BottDwayne Dunn956.5kg71
4115JUST ROLLINGSuper Vobis Bonus SchemeVOBIS Gold Bonus SchemeTony McEvoyLuke Currie756.5kg66
59513IMMELMANNSuper Vobis Bonus SchemeVOBIS Gold Bonus SchemeMatt LaurieDamien Thornton1655.5kg62
621425LEATHERHEADSuper Vobis Bonus SchemeVOBIS Gold Bonus SchemeJames CummingsCraig Williams155.5kg63
711MERCHANT OF VENICEJason WarrenBen Melham1555.5kg67
843429520NERO CHIN CHINDavid & B Hayes & T DabernigRegan Bayliss1355.5kg61
95321SAVOIESuper Vobis Bonus SchemeVOBIS Gold Bonus SchemeDarren WeirDean Yendall1755.5kg62
10715SOLLEVARE (NZ)Matt CumaniBen Allen (a)655.5kg63
11510SYDNEY BLUEGai Waterhouse & Adrian BottStephen Baster355.5kg62
121TOLEMACFrancis FinneganMichael Dee1255.5kg63
136716WHAMSuper Vobis Bonus SchemeVOBIS Gold Bonus SchemeMichael MoroneyJordan Childs455.5kg62
14e1ALESSANDROSuper Vobis Bonus SchemeVOBIS Gold Bonus SchemeRobbie GriffithsBen Thompson1455.5kg63
15e545x39GREEN IVYSuper Vobis Bonus SchemeVOBIS Gold Bonus SchemeKen KeysJye McNeil255.5kg60
16e32x000POWER OF ATTORNEYSuper Vobis Bonus SchemeVOBIS Gold Bonus SchemeTony VasilDamien Oliver555.5kg59
17e1x4BOTTI (NZ)Murray Baker & Andrew ForsmanDamian Lane855.5kg63


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He is also in a 1600m BM64 race at Benalla on Friday. 




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Unfortunate to miss out on a run in the Derby Trial but a horse that has run 12th, 2nd last and last at it's past 3 starts and isn't even nom'd for the Derby gets the top weight all because of a Tassie Listed win over 1200m.
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Colt had a setback.  They'll be pushing it for him to be seasoned enough for a 2500m race in 4 1/2 weeks time.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Colt had a setback.  They'll be pushing it for him to be seasoned enough for a 2500m race in 4 1/2 weeks time.


Is he out of Friday's race ?


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The slight set-back was about two weeks ago, and they're into catch up for the Derby.

That said is well and truly up for the race over 1600m or so at Benalla.

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A little disappointing today imo.
I think the Derby is a little too quick for him, if he were mine. He’d Ben into the paddock and be brought back the autumn derbies
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