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    Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 11:06am
Ok the above has been proven incorrect.  The Add says 70% greyhounds killed with average like 18 months.  Which I heard another person say is when most start racing.  Why is it legal to have an add which is giving untruths put on by the state government.  No wonder the man in the street believes the worst. 

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By 18mths they've been broken in & deemed to have potential or not. Many anecdotal reports suggest 70% of each litter is put down with 8 being the average size for greyhounds.
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Yes Gay and that was proved wrong.  Its a bit of tit for tat but that add really stinks as already the breeders have come out and said it's wrong.  That it is closer to 6%.  Have no idea whether that is right or not but there is a big difference there.
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I can only go on what I know for certain & 3 small breeder/owner/trainer aquaintances have openly admitted the above to me, it all comes down to 'economics' Unhappy
I reared one as a pet in the 70s. Unfortunately I ended up in a relationship with a trainer who virtually took over (yes, as weak as Angry) but imo, due to her early days working miles with the horses, she was very fit & forward. Won at 13mths (unheard of) & continued thru' with short spells culminating in the final of the Oz distance Championship in which she couldn't take part due to breaking a hock bone in winning the semi. Many a time she was offered live prey on the lure & not once was she interested, just loved to chase.
I don't believe methods have changed but that they've simply gone underground.
I do however believe those dogs who won't chase hard unless they've had kills, should never be bred from. Fantasy world I know!
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the NSW government is going hard in on this campaign, it's in all the newspapers and prime time on TV..there's no way back now for NSW I'm afraid..
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The add is purely and simply saying can't have 70% of dogs killed.  No one wants that but it isn't true so I still say its a add which is very wrong.

I know for a fact you can train without kills.  Cousin does so, Uncle did so - no longer alive.  There are good and bad and yes the bad has to be sorted out.  

Bit like the swimmers complaining about drug uses swimming against them.  The governing bodies have to pick themselves up and take responsability for wrongs done and not sorted out.  It will be hard to govern but the clean trainers have to be able to come forward and tell "we saw this and want it stopped" without loosing their sport.

You obviously had no one to go to back in the 1970's.  Hopefully that has changed and people see the need for a better management of wrong doers.  I remember cheering when the elephant juice trainers got kicked out of racing.  We all have people prepared to do the wrong thing.  But there are still plenty who do the right thing day in and day out.  They are in the sport because they love their dogs and working with them.  I don't believe that should be taken away from anyone who is innocent of any wrong doing.
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they can say what they want, all media usually do and people swallow it, I hope you learn that about the media today Furious..this is not the first time any media outlet has lied or fudged figures about a story...don't be so naive pls..
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I just don't believe in lying.  Sorry Fiddlesticks I never take what I hear as gospel so I don't think I'm naive just wish people would learn to tell the truth.
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Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

I just don't believe in lying.  Sorry Fiddlesticks I never take what I hear as gospel so I don't think I'm naive just wish people would learn to tell the truth.


if you watch and listen very carefully to everything going on around you, humans have moulded lying into our psyche as something that's totally acceptable, just for example listen to trainer or jockey interviews and you read between the lines of what sort of people or persons they really and what they really get up to, so much of life around us all fakery and staged..lying is as common as salt n pepper..
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Legislation passed today. Not one National crossed the floor.....so much for all the outrage !
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I hope I haven't got this wrong,..but I'm certain I heard on radio during the week, that the 70% figures of greyhound deaths included figures from the
American industry,.that being the case people have been mislead but I think it's fallen on deaf ears,..the closing down of this industry will ferret out the
politicians who will have there snouts in the trough when land developers jump in to divvy up the spoils of track closures!
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The numbers in the report etc were all the opinion of a trainer who got caught live baiting. Court battle looming
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Hadley,.Latham,.and another bloke going in to bat for the grey. Industry on sky,. did you happen to see it heavy10 ?
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No I didn't, I have heard Hadley go off his nut though on his radio program. I can't see how they can get this through based on lies. I can't see how this won't get very messy in court. It's just all so dodgy, obviously Baird has another agenda
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I'm tipping a long shot here,..if it comes in,. it will be the demise of Baird !
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

By 18mths they've been broken in & deemed to have potential or not. Many anecdotal reports suggest 70% of each litter is put down with 8 being the average size for greyhounds.

your friends are obviously brain dead if that's what they reckon.

after costing on average 7k+ pls to ONE pup rear to 18months they get knocked on the head? bullgelati.

most dogs aren't broken in till 13-14 months. that stakes a month. they get a month off before pre training starts. pre training takes up to 10 weeks followed but a short break.

by this time its close to 19 months and they still have been in a field or most have been near 500m.  the vast majority of dogs continue to improve until they are 30months.

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I'm tipping a long shot here,..if it comes in,. it will be the demise of Baird !

he's quite clearly a world class prick but he's given himself 3 years to kiss enough assess to get back in.


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Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

Yes Gay and that was proved wrong.  Its a bit of tit for tat but that add really stinks as already the breeders have come out and said it's wrong.  That it is closer to 6%.  Have no idea whether that is right or not but there is a big difference there.

the add is so illogical it is ridiculous.

breeders spend thousands breeding and rearing then put them down without letting them mature.

do horse breeders knock their 2yo's off if their first prep is average?


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I'm tipping a long shot here,..if it comes in,. it will be the demise of Baird !
Well I think you would be wrong then. All the so called "up in arms" Nationals have towed the line....& the ALP are also starting to go weak at the knees.....if the decision was now reversed there would be an even bigger outcry imo !
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Originally posted by Kong Kong wrote:

Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

Yes Gay and that was proved wrong.  Its a bit of tit for tat but that add really stinks as already the breeders have come out and said it's wrong.  That it is closer to 6%.  Have no idea whether that is right or not but there is a big difference there.


the add is so illogical it is ridiculous.

breeders spend thousands breeding and rearing then put them down without letting them mature.

do horse breeders knock their 2yo's off if their first prep is average?


The only thing illogical are blokes like you not accepting that there is.....& always will be.....very high levels of wastage in the game. Maybe if you accepted that & then made a case for why the vast majority of non - punters should accept this fact you might have a better chance
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

I'm tipping a long shot here,..if it comes in,. it will be the demise of Baird !
Well I think you would be wrong then. All the so called "up in arms" Nationals have towed the line....& the ALP are also starting to go weak at the knees.....if the decision was now reversed there would be an even bigger outcry imo !

Lot of water to go under the bridge yet one one,.some might see the folly of their ways ( nationals) and do a u turn,..like I said it's a long shot !
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Originally posted by Kong Kong wrote:

Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

By 18mths they've been broken in & deemed to have potential or not. Many anecdotal reports suggest 70% of each litter is put down with 8 being the average size for greyhounds.

your friends are obviously brain dead if that's what they reckon.

after costing on average 7k+ pls to ONE pup rear to 18months they get knocked on the head? bullgelati.

most dogs aren't broken in till 13-14 months. that stakes a month. they get a month off before pre training starts. pre training takes up to 10 weeks followed but a short break.

by this time its close to 19 months and they still have been in a field or most have been near 500m.  the vast majority of dogs continue to improve until they are 30months.

wastage is the biggest lie told in this disgrace.



Wow!! What takes them so long? Mine won her 1st race at B'rat at 13mths & a 720m at 15mths. She had 30+ starts with 27 top3 so no one can say she burnt out early. Temlees were tough Wink
Gallopers are maturing faster & greyhounds in reverse Ouch
My 'acquaintances' not friends, breed 1 or 2 litters/year for themselves as would at least 40% in the industry who breed, race & train their own.


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Are you sure it was 13 months Gay?

I believe some of the politicians against the ban refused to vote, hence it seems like none crossed over
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Originally posted by Heavy10 Heavy10 wrote:

Are you sure it was 13 months Gay?

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I believe some of the politicians against the ban refused to vote, hence it seems like none crossed over


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Are you sure it was 13 months Gay?

I believe some of the politicians against the ban refused to vote, hence it seems like none crossed over
Well that's a real show of strength.....give in without a whimper ! If this issue went to a vote the non-Greyound industry vote would win hands down imo.....& I think all the polices are starting to realise this. I mean this place (TBV) is hardly neutral territory
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Anyway it's gone passed the arguing about numbers stage....average Joes don't need convincing.....don't have to be Einstein to work out there arnt too many old greyhounds walking around !
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Anyway it's gone passed the arguing about numbers stage....average Joes don't need convincing.....don't have to be Einstein to work out there arnt too many old greyhounds walking around !

Not getting into an argument on here again. My time has been spent elsewhere.
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As I've said before I'd like to see it be given another chance.....however until those in the industry get their heads out of the sand it would be a waste of time & just fodder for another shoot down. Arguing the numbers is not the answer
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the gap left by greyhound racing in NSW will be filled in 2seconds by something else..
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Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

the gap left by greyhound racing in NSW will be filled in 2seconds by something else..
well I don't think a Premier was the reason South Sydney folded fiddles,..and rose again albeit with more than a nudge and a wink from R& P
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