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    Posted: 13 Jul 2017 at 11:39am
Suffix Change for Dam of a Legend
Tara Madgwick - Wednesday, 12 July 2017
One of the most famous mares in the Australian Studbook has had a suffix change thanks to some detective work from pedigree gurus in two hemispheres.

Australian guru Malcolm Campbell and his close associate Bettina Fuchss of Potsdam, Germany uncovered the error which the Australian Studbook have now rectified.

Ada Hunter, the dam of Australian Horse of the Year and legendary three times Cox Plate winner Kingston Town, was originally imported to Australia with a German suffix.

Any conversation regarding the modern day success in Australia of German thoroughbreds, notably through top class German stallion Monsun, sire of Melbourne Cup winners Fiorente, Protectionist and Almandin invariably leads to a mention of Ada Hunter.

As it turns out, German she is not.

Sired by a French stallion from an English mare, Ada Hunter was in fact foaled in Italy and then travelled to Germany as a foal at foot with her dam.

The Australian Studbook have now amended her suffix to Ity rather than Ger.

"All the credit for uncovering the error goes to Bettina Fuchss," said Malcolm Campbell, who notified the Australian Stud book of her finding.

"The swift correction of this innocent mistake is greatly appreciated by the many "Pedigree Purists" all over the world."


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Actually Ozzie golfer Norman Von Nida bought six mares and Italian derby winner Claude from Dormello Stud whish was established by Tesio in Italy, he wanted Nearco or Ribot blood and AH is by a son of Ribot, also amongst the six was Ursula Lauderdale who went to Biscay , result Lowen Star,.pretty well documented I would imagine.
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Some will have noticed that Bettina Fuchss is none other than our own Ticino who so regularly provides German racing news and interesting pedigree information on TBV.

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Well done Ticino! Thumbs Up
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Thanks for that info Second Chance. Ticino has changed history


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More interesting is that Ada Hunter traces tail-female to the Sister to Ruric. This is the 12-b family on Lowe, but it isnt.... 

There is an error stemming from Ada Hunter's 11th dam Sister to Ruric (born 1862). We have sequenced the mitochondrial DNA of 6 members of this family, from two separate female branches of Sister to Ruric and they are all from the "A1" Haplotype (per Achilli's naming of equine mitochondrial Haplotypes). The rest of the 12-b family (and indeed the 12-c family) are from the "I" haplotype. So somewhere between Sister to Ruric and Diana (the origin of 12-b) there has been an error in the stud book records and part of this family isn't from that female line (there has been a foal swap of a filly, or someone made a mistake in what was recorded). 

Would be good if the Stud Book had made that correction also Wink
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Hello,
mayn thanks for all the congratulations about my findings.
 
I read pretty soon about "Ada Hunter" in various books about breeding. Of course I tried to find her Name in the German Studbooks about her breeding span, but to no avail. The only entry I could trace was "Almah" her dam in the chapter which listed "broodmares temporary sent to Germany for foaling and covering". Here I found the reference to the Italian Studbook. I must be grateful to Mr. Tim Cox in England and his enermous library. He was so kind to sent necessary info and I have informed him about the result.
 
best regards from Germany,
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Thanks for that info Second Chance. Ticino has changed history


Indeed you have Ticino! What a breeding sleuth you are Clap Clap Clap
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Amazing story Ticino.
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