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We must stop celebrating Australia Day on January 26

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For as long as I can remember, indigenous people have referred to January 26 as “Invasion Day”. More recently we’ve also used the term “Survival Day”, to commemorate our achievements and survival of our nations against the odds.

Most indigenous people will never celebrate January 26. That doesn’t mean indigenous people won’t celebrate Australia. Quite the opposite.

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Simple solution - change it from the 26th to ... NO SET DAY ... just make it the 4th Monday of January every year - that's when I want my Public Holiday, and I'm sure every Aborigine (with a job) would agree!Thumbs Up
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Simple solution - change it from the 26th to ... NO SET DAY ... just make it the 4th Monday of January every year - that's when I want my Public Holiday, and I'm sure every Aborigine (with a job) would agree!Thumbs Up
The trouble with that is it’s gone from Change the Date to Abolish Australia Day or even Abolish Australia. Doesn’t matter what day we celebrate our national day we’d still be having the exact same argument.
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Originally posted by Baguette Baguette wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Simple solution - change it from the 26th to ... NO SET DAY ... just make it the 4th Monday of January every year - that's when I want my Public Holiday, and I'm sure every Aborigine (with a job) would agree!Thumbs Up
The trouble with that is it’s gone from Change the Date to Abolish Australia Day or even Abolish Australia. Doesn’t matter what day we celebrate our national day we’d still be having the exact same argument.



Which Aboriginal leaders are saying either of those two things?
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by Baguette Baguette wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Simple solution - change it from the 26th to ... NO SET DAY ... just make it the 4th Monday of January every year - that's when I want my Public Holiday, and I'm sure every Aborigine (with a job) would agree!Thumbs Up
The trouble with that is it’s gone from Change the Date to Abolish Australia Day or even Abolish Australia. Doesn’t matter what day we celebrate our national day we’d still be having the exact same argument.



Which Aboriginal leaders are saying either of those two things?

And that's a major part of the problem...there are no authorised/elected/universally recognised 'aboriginal leaders'...they're all self appointed or head up disparate action groups..throw in media whores, bloggers, Guardian journalists and career funds accruers and there you have it...aboriginal leadership.
They need to establish a political party.
 


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And that's a major part of the problem...there are no authorised/elected/universally recognised 'aboriginal leaders'...they're all self appointed or head up disparate action groups..throw in media whores, bloggers, Guardian journalists and career funds accruers and there you have it...aboriginal leadership.
They need to establish a political party.
 


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Do you feel they should Wagga? Do you feel it would be well received?
What if their political party become the biggest in Australia, the most supported?
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And that's a major part of the problem...there are no authorised/elected/universally recognised 'aboriginal leaders'...they're all self appointed or head up disparate action groups..throw in media whores, bloggers, Guardian journalists and career funds accruers and there you have it...aboriginal leadership.
They need to establish a political party.
 


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Do you feel they should Wagga? Do you feel it would be well received?
What if their political party become the biggest in Australia, the most supported?
[/QUOTE] Then that’s democracy ! Wagga’s correct in that there are a lot of self appointed “ spokesmen” but no one speaks for the hugely diverse Aboriginal people. If anyone actually cares about the real issues facing real Aboriginal people in the real world we have to get rid of the virtue signalling tokenism that has taken over every discussion on this issue. Every Aboriginal person should be voting at all levels of government and using the voice they have now . And we have to face up to the real issues and not push them under the carpet while screaming “ racism”.
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Yep..definitely establish a political party...centralises their issues/policies...can establish a democratically elected leadership/spokesgroup. Right now they are mixed in with the Greens, Labor and a few other small groups.
 I think it would be well received....hopefully a unified voice( of course there will be the more radical sections within the party)..that will push for practical policies/solutions rather than playing the media centric blame game. Who knows how that would go?

 Seriously doubt that it would become the biggest party BUT  the way the Libs and Labor are going internally it could be to the Aboriginal Party's benefit in a Steven Bradbury situation.
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How would you feel if they started their own Government, rather than the one in Canberra?
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So if you don't have 100% agreement on anything do nothing. The vast majority of Aborigines want Australia Day moved from January 26. They don't want Australia Day abolished.
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Wagga, what if Aboriginals did this?

1; Establish a new Australian Government.

2: Establish a new financial system.

3: Allow Australian citizens to vote in their Government.

4: Allow Australian citizens to represent political parties in their Government

How would you feel? Its very possible. They have been here for 60,000 years.
An entirely alternative new Australian Government, under the Aboriginal flag.
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

So if you don't have 100% agreement on anything do nothing. The vast majority of Aborigines want Australia Day moved from January 26. They don't want Australia Day abolished.
Is there any sort of proof of that? I’ve only seen one opinion poll done by the Guardian ( from memory) and it was a narrow majority that wanted the date moved, something like 54% in favour. If there’s others I’d like to see them. The most important question put to Aboriginal people should be Is moving Australia Day the most important issue for you and is it worth losing the support of middle Australia? Because that’s whats happening. The overall opinion polls on Australia Day are overwhelmingly against changing it.
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

So if you don't have 100% agreement on anything do nothing. The vast majority of Aborigines want Australia Day moved from January 26. They don't want Australia Day abolished.

The inner city activists (who actually answer the polls) are far more invested in this than those in the bush, who seem to celebrate the day as most patriots do. So the stats will be skewed.

It will never change, but the divisive left will raise it every year because they are running out of virtuous causes.
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Originally posted by Baguette Baguette wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

So if you don't have 100% agreement on anything do nothing. The vast majority of Aborigines want Australia Day moved from January 26. They don't want Australia Day abolished.
Is there any sort of proof of that? I’ve only seen one opinion poll done by the Guardian ( from memory) and it was a narrow majority that wanted the date moved, something like 54% in favour. If there’s others I’d like to see them. The most important question put to Aboriginal people should be Is moving Australia Day the most important issue for you and is it worth losing the support of middle Australia? Because that’s whats happening. The overall opinion polls on Australia Day are overwhelmingly against changing it.
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