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    Posted: 22 Jul 2019 at 11:46am
Well I for one can't wait to see what the new season will give us.  
We have seen the retirement of a Champion.  
We have seen quite a few years of drought in the country and it seemed a few mares didn't get in foal last year - was that a weather related problem?
While the country is griped in a drought we have still had heavy G1 racing usually in Sydney which to me just seems cruel.  Some of the country horses have never seen a heavy track before running at these big meetings.
Will the Golden Eagle deliver a Champion four year old colt.  Or will it return a Champion four year old filly to follow in the hoof prints of so many other mares in recent years.
Will an Australian breed ever come out and win the Melbourne Cup again?  Any around for this coming season.
Will the Champion Two Year old be out in the first few weeks of racing in the coming season?
Will Outback Barbie or D'Argento ever win another race?
Is Brutal as good as I think he could be or did he just have a purple patch?
Is it possible for Redzel to win the first three Everests?
Will Mystic Journey be our new Champion?
Will Verry Ellegant (NZ) still be head strong when she comes back or will she have mellowed.  Just how far can she extend her distance if she just settles?
Will K McEvoy win the Everest/Melbourne Cup double again?
Can I Am Invincible every beat Snitzel for the Sires Premiership.
Can Lyre, Kamichi and Microphone return and keep ahead of the sprinters as three year olds.
How many quinellas will Nature Strip and Pierata run?
Can Angel of Truth extend out to 3200m?
Can Castelvecchio stay?
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Brutal is as good as you think he is, Unfortunately his training team are nowhere near as good as people think they are. 




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Verry Ellegant will still be head strong and will be as good as any mare we have seen in the last 25 years.






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Massive call D. What do you base this on, and how far will she get?????
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To my eye there is just a real freakishness about her.




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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Verry Ellegant will still be head strong and will be as good as any mare we have seen in the last 25 years.




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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Verry Ellegant will still be head strong and will be as good as any mare we have seen in the last 25 years.


that's a big call Djebel considering the great mares we have had - winx, sunline, makybe diva, atlantic jewel, more joyous
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Even I think you have gone a tad overboard there Djebel.  She does so many things wrong that she'll have to improve her manners to live up to that hype.

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Hey guys, please don't concentrate on one issue rather than overlook all the other beguiling questions raided by Furious.  

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Will an Australian breed ever come out and win the Melbourne Cup again?  Any around for this coming season.

No & No

Is Brutal as good as I think he could be or did he just have a purple patch?

Don't know. He had absolutely everything in his favour in Doncaster.

Is it possible for Redzel to win the first three Everests?

No hope
Will Mystic Journey be our new Champion?

No
Will Verry Ellegant (NZ) still be head strong when she comes back or will she have mellowed.  Just how far can she extend her distance if she just settles?

4800m
Will K McEvoy win the Everest/Melbourne Cup double again?

No


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Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

Even I think you have gone a tad overboard there Djebel.  She does so many things wrong that she'll have to improve her manners to live up to that hype.



No she wont.

Just let her be herself.





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Waller said in an interview the other day that Very Elleegant has comeback back a lot more mature this prep
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Will the little smurf Ralphy make a return to the Crown marquee in Melbourne Cup week? Not unless they decide midgets wrestling in a pool of jelly in the middle of the tent is a good idea.
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Will the Sheik bring a couple of his newest wives? Will Victorians show him how to do the Australian crawl?Tongue
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How bags of smack will go up the nostrils of Australia’s finest at Flemington
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Well I tried for positive but it seems a few of you are bleaK indeed about racing. I was asking for the things you want not the worst things you can find.
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Did D’Argento win one? I must have missed it 😆
I’ve seen Redzel win two, and no one expected the second mighty effort, I for one, won’t be treating him with disdain come October.
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Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

Well I for one can't wait to see what the new season will give us.  
We have seen the retirement of a Champion.  
We have seen quite a few years of drought in the country and it seemed a few mares didn't get in foal last year - was that a weather related problem?
While the country is griped in a drought we have still had heavy G1 racing usually in Sydney which to me just seems cruel.  Some of the country horses have never seen a heavy track before running at these big meetings.
Will the Golden Eagle deliver a Champion four year old colt.  Or will it return a Champion four year old filly to follow in the hoof prints of so many other mares in recent years.
Will an Australian breed ever come out and win the Melbourne Cup again?  Any around for this coming season.
Will the Champion Two Year old be out in the first few weeks of racing in the coming season?
Will Outback Barbie or D'Argento ever win another race?
Is Brutal as good as I think he could be or did he just have a purple patch?
Is it possible for Redzel to win the first three Everests?
Will Mystic Journey be our new Champion?
Will Verry Ellegant (NZ) still be head strong when she comes back or will she have mellowed.  Just how far can she extend her distance if she just settles?
Will K McEvoy win the Everest/Melbourne Cup double again?
Can I Am Invincible every beat Snitzel for the Sires Premiership.
Can Lyre, Kamichi and Microphone return and keep ahead of the sprinters as three year olds.
How many quinellas will Nature Strip and Pierata run?
Can Angel of Truth extend out to 3200m?
Can Castelvecchio stay?
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The fillies will dominate the Golden Eagle.

Not sure if he can win the cup, but Surprise Baby is the best of the locals, I still feel for the connections about that nose loss.

Not sure who the champion 2yo will be, but iof it is Microphone, he will be a group 1 contender in the VRC week.

Outback Barbie and D'Argenton will not win a race next season.

Brutal will need to improve to be group 1 competitive. Up to open age and having the extra weight. Not saying he can not develop, but he needs to.

Mystic Journey will win a few races, but not sure she will be next season champion racehorse.

Verry Eleegant looks to have improved at each of her presp and no reason to say she will not improve again. Just wondering what race she will be set for. If Waller does his usual thing she will be a Caulfield Cup contender this spring, and then pushed out furtehr as a five year old. She is just as good as Jamekha, so she can win the Caulfield Cup.

McEvoy has a chance to win both races, but if he sticks with Redzel, he has no hope, unless the track is a bottomless heavy. He should have the pick again of Charlie Applebys runners at Flemington, or at least the Godolphin runners.

Now here are my questions.

Will Waller win over 10 group 1's without Winx adding her usual six?

Will the JJ Atkins deliver another 3yo group 1 winner?

Can the New Zealanders win a group 1 during the spring? Will we see Melody Belle, Danzdanzdance, Madison County, Arrogant, The Chosen One and others during the spring.

Can Nature Strip win a group 1 at 1200m?

Will Lindsay Smith have success from the former Weir stables at Warnambool?

Can Waller improve the Perth horses that Bob Peters has moved to his stable?

Will Godolphin once again attack the spring carnival with multiple runners at the carnival?

Will Australia have any overseas runners next season? Will we have runners in Hong Kong, Japan, or Europe?

Is Avilius the real deal or is his best behind him?

Can some non winners win another race? Tom Melbourne, Fundamentalist, Dreamforce and others?

What impact, if any, will the Everests new date have on the melbourne spring carnival?      

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That makes at least two terrific opinion/question posts, without discounting others.  Star
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I'm loving this thread already!
Can't wait to see how it all unfolds...

Verry Eleegant is my current favourite and I hope she blows us all away with her talent.

Will Waller get 10+ Group 1's? With the firepower now in his stable, you'd bloomin' better hope so!
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Verry Ellegant will get at least 3 in the spring and probably another 4 in the autumn.




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If Waller has any balls about him she is a moral in the Cups double.




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Only if she settles but it would be nice to see her reach the best she can. I hope you are all wrong with brutal as im a fan and have followed him from the sales. But most of all would be great to see another colt do a lonhro for us to follow
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Between Shooting to Win and Hallowed Crown - which do you think could get a classic winner?  The second isn't serving many so Shooting to Win has that over him.  One decends from the dam of Zabeel.   The other from the dam of Octagonal.  Will either overcome a certain set against them when both have alot to off from their pedigrees.
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Ok another question.  Can Scales of Justice get a invite into the Everest?  It's not like he hasn't won a G1 so the class is there.  And the two and three year olds from this season haven't stepped out yet so the rest of the field could come from that group.  
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I'd consider hallowed crown best chance to get a classic winner furious. Not only being from dam line of zabeel but being a half to needs further puts him in with a chance. Hopefully Godolphin sent him some decent mares.
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Sadly they haven't done so thus far.
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Just wondering if Gooree are better placed to send the stamina bred mares to Hallowed Crown.
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All I'm trying to point out is both have wonderful different pedigrees away from the standard Danehill line.  Both are great female lines.  Both should be having a chance.  What is with Darley.  They just don't support some of their stallions.  That just doesn't work.
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