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Originally posted by Slammington Slammington wrote:

I don't have any issue with the order of entry being different year to year as that is entirely dependent on the different nominations. However, I am surprised he didn't receive a higher weight this year for having run 3rd in the Cup.

I assume that he was penalised last year for his win in the Lexus so his weight in last year's race took that win into account. But you would think a placing in the Cup would be worth at least a kilo when you are otherwise as low in the weights as he is.

Ispolini is only a G3 winner in Dubai yet he got 55kg and is in the field. Rostropovich, Finche also got more. It just seems a bit strange. The comparison with Trap for Fools may not be the most apposite because he is a G1 wfa winner beating an Irish Derby winner so a completely different profile.

But if I was Charlie Fellowes I would be pretty dark about having to come all the way down here and win the Lexus again to get a start.



A Prince Of Arran did it receive a weight penalty for his win in the Hotham Hcp. His weight of 53.5kg was the highest weight carried by a Hotham winner in the Melbourne Cup in 20 years
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Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by Slammington Slammington wrote:

I don't have any issue with the order of entry being different year to year as that is entirely dependent on the different nominations. However, I am surprised he didn't receive a higher weight this year for having run 3rd in the Cup.

I assume that he was penalised last year for his win in the Lexus so his weight in last year's race took that win into account. But you would think a placing in the Cup would be worth at least a kilo when you are otherwise as low in the weights as he is.

Ispolini is only a G3 winner in Dubai yet he got 55kg and is in the field. Rostropovich, Finche also got more. It just seems a bit strange. The comparison with Trap for Fools may not be the most apposite because he is a G1 wfa winner beating an Irish Derby winner so a completely different profile.

But if I was Charlie Fellowes I would be pretty dark about having to come all the way down here and win the Lexus again to get a start.



A Prince Of Arran did it receive a weight penalty for his win in the Hotham Hcp. His weight of 53.5kg was the highest weight carried by a Hotham winner in the Melbourne Cup in 20 years


I meant 53kg and still the highest weight carried by a Hotham winner in the Melbourne Cup in 20 years.
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Sorry for spelling error. I also meant to say that A Prince Of Arran DID NOT receive a weight penalty for his win in the Hotham Hcp
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Okay I understand that trap For Fools is a group 1 winner, but if you go and read the order of entry that is not the race that the have rated is position on. They have used his second to Ventura Storm in the Moonee Valley Gold Cup as the benchmark.

Now it might have been a good run, but if he has been weighted using that as a guide, and not the Emirates win, then he should have at least a half kilo less than A Prince Of Arran.

But he is not the only one who for me is above where they should sit. Il Paradiso is being positioned on his 3rd in the Lonsdale Cup, which to me is just stupid as this is one of the races, which people will point to and say why is this horse even in the field, placing in some unknown European Group 2.

Django Freeman is being positioned on his 2nd in the German Derby. Now seriously how integral is this event to the Melbourne Cup, so we now have another horse who gets in due to a performance in a race most Australians could not care less about and which has no significant meaning as far as a form reference for the race.

Hunting Horn is being positioned on a unplaced run in a race which has proven less than relevant to this race, all because the race has a good deal of prizemoney and the VRC have made it a international qualifier. So in other words he gets pitch forked into this race over a local who may have earned a spot, or a international who at least has shown he races well here and again has earned his way into this years race, but may miss out.

If I was the stable I would tell the VRC, to shove their race, and aim him at the Vase in Hing Kong.
   
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Sorry TFF has not been weighted using the Moonee Valley Cup run just positioned in the order of entry.
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Torcedor coming to Australia, joining Paul Preusker
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Nice win by the 3 yr old filly Search For A Song in the G1 Irish St Leger. Favourite Cross Counter seemed to struggle a little bit (ran 4th), he looked a bit flat. Melbourne Cup top weight (Kew Gardens) finished off strongly to get 2nd. Thoughts?
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Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Nice win by the 3 yr old filly Search For A Song in the G1 Irish St Leger. Favourite Cross Counter seemed to struggle a little bit (ran 4th), he looked a bit flat. Melbourne Cup top weight (Kew Gardens) finished off strongly to get 2nd. Thoughts?

Cross Counter sat wide most the trip. I thought he stuck on well enough. Winner was well in with 56kgs as a 3 year old, won well enough all the same. For the Melbourne Cup contenders I thought Cross Counter was the best of them considering the run it had. 
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Kew Gardens looked STRONG on the line. 58kgs might not be enough to stop him....
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IRISH ST LEGER WINNERS IN MELBOURNE CUP:

1993: Vintage Crop, 55.5kg
1st - defeated Te Akau Nick by 3len (56kg)

1994: Vintage Crop, 60kg
7th - beaten 6.7len to Jeune (56.5kg)

1996: Oscar Schindler, 56.5kg
15th - beaten 8.3len to Saintly (55.5kg)

2000: Arctic Owl, 56.5kg
5th - beaten 4.9len to Brew (49kg)

2002: Vinnie Roe, 59kg
4th - beaten 3.9len to Media Puzzle (52.5kg)

2004: Vinnie Roe, 58kg
2nd - beaten 1.25len to Makybe Diva (55.5kg)

2008: Septimus, 58kg
18th - beaten 20.6len to Viewed (53kg)

2011: Jukebox Jury, 57kg
20th - beaten 16.65len to Dunaden (54.5kg)

2013: Voleuse de Coeurs, 54kg
10th - beaten 7.95len to Fiorente (55.5kg)

2016: Wicklow Brave, 56kg
22nd - beaten 24.4len to Almandin (52kg)

2019: ?????
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2019 winner not coming to Melbourne
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Originally posted by mikey mikey wrote:

Kew Gardens looked STRONG on the line. 58kgs might not be enough to stop him....

Pretty sure that Kew Gardens isn’t travelling down to Aust.

Not sure if Aidan will have a Cup runner this year, given his 3yo Il Paradiso gave in very meekly in the 2900m English St Leger
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Anyone know what is the list of European 3 year olds coming to the Cup this year?
The ones that are looking strong, have had solid performances??
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To be honest the NH 3yos this year don’t appeal at all to me. As per Order of Entry):

Django Freeman (10th) - German Derby runner up, who has already arrived here with Rob Hickmott, maybe running in Herbert Power Hcp as lead up

Constantinople (12th) - will go to David Hayes & Logician franked the firm by winning the St Leger. Not sure if he’ll have a local lead up run?

Il Paradiso (13th), Technician (26th), & Dashing Willoughby (24th) - all failed on Saturday in the St Leger, so none of them would bother coming down

Of the rest, Norway & Buckhurst ran the quinella in a 2500m G3 in Ireland but I’ve heard Buckhurst is going for a spell & Norway is 74th in the order of entry, so not sure how he even gets close to making the field.
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Racenet is reporting that Willie Mullins has done a deal with terry Henderson of OTI fame, to bring his mare True Self out for her main mission being the Caulfield Cup.

The deal was done because the owners could not afford the costs of getting her to Melbourne and Mullins believes she is a great chance in the 2400m race, and so OTI have leased the horse for her Australian journey, and so they will pay all costs, while splitting the prizemoney, that True Self wins.

True Self ran sixth beaten 3 lengths in the Ebor behind Mustajeer, and she will meet his significantly better at the weights at Caulfield. She is 51st in the order of entry for the 2400m race.

The fact Mullins, has such a determination to get the mare here, must be a tip in itself.



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