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Originally posted by mikey mikey wrote:

2019 Melbourne Cup.

Cross Counter
Rekindling
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Could all be there! The race just gets stronger & stronger.

Think we might be seeing the beginnings of a breeding industry for stayers emerging in Australia too. The Fiorente's are getting a mention & Lloyd has kept Rekindling/Johannes Vermeer in Australia who are ready made Stallions. Apparently he is also considering keeping Latrobe in Australia?

I must admit I was annoyed to read he had sold The United States to South Africa, he looked to me to have a lovely presence about himself with good bone and balance, being a son of Galileo this could be the one that got away , but that's for future posts.
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Cross Counter will be running on Dubai World Cup night in the Dubai Gold Cup.
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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Don't like that idea Jamal and it is disappointing after what Appleby said that he wouldn't run. Horses running in humidity of HK and Dubai can struggle to find form later especially if they have a tough run.
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Last I heard he wasn’t going to Dubai.
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How is Cross Counter rated in the Australian Timeform rating as a 3yo?
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Originally posted by Majestic Majestic wrote:

How is Cross Counter rated in the Australian Timeform rating as a 3yo?


He was a 3yo and carried the weight of a 3yo in the Cup.



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After 10 years losing i won the last two.

I'm still behind financially despite the wins on Rekindling and Cross Counter.

Low weight horses are definitely the go whilst VRC let them in.

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The ratings are rubbish.
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Originally posted by ChrisB ChrisB wrote:

After 10 years losing i won the last two.

I'm still behind financially despite the wins on Rekindling and Cross Counter.

Low weight horses are definitely the go whilst VRC let them in.



What's the answer ?

They give fully established good horses less than 58 kgs. Those who have yet to do anything substantial can hardly be crucified.



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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by ChrisB ChrisB wrote:

After 10 years losing i won the last two.

I'm still behind financially despite the wins on Rekindling and Cross Counter.

Low weight horses are definitely the go whilst VRC let them in.



What's the answer ?

They give fully established good horses less than 58 kgs. Those who have yet to do anything substantial can hardly be crucified.



The answer is much better than anything you'll offer.

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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by ChrisB ChrisB wrote:

After 10 years losing i won the last two.

I'm still behind financially despite the wins on Rekindling and Cross Counter.

Low weight horses are definitely the go whilst VRC let them in.



What's the answer ?

They give fully established good horses less than 58 kgs. Those who have yet to do anything substantial can hardly be crucified.



The Internationals are clearly too light.

These are rubbish horses winning our best (which it isn't) as jandicapped very poorly.

The Answer? * the overseas and give them big weights.Most are rubbish anyway, and will stop the lightweights sneaking yhrough
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*handicapped*
*through*
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That seems like histrionics to me. 

How do you give "rubbish horses" more weight ? 


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It would to you.

Why are rubbish horses winning Melb Cups if weighted appropriately?
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The Melb Cup is about all star mile level of credibility.

Complete joke of a race.
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What ?


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Yes Mr (local) X you can go through all grades buts miss out at 56kgs.

Yes Mr (overseas) X win a gelati group 3 with 8 people watching and you're locked in at 52kgs.
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Yep yep, histrionics.


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Reality.
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I see Warwick farm trainer Matthew Smith has the group 3 German St Leger winner Sweet Thomas and a couple of other stakes level stayers.

Trying to get a less expensive type who is just below top level is extremely difficult, but as he said even if the horse does not reach the cup, he can win some of the weak Sydney staying events, which is worth good money.
Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise
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The Internationals are weighted ridiculously low.

It used to be the other way around but VRC have massively overcorrected it.

gelatitest race on the Calender. UK trainers have worked out the strategy, as has sweetheart Lloyd Williams, and now the race sucks.
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*sweetheart* bit different than what i wrote!
Funny though.
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Considering the handicapper himself has a phobia with giving anything anymore than 58 kgs most top horses are getting in light these days.



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Well it's an indictment on what used to be a great race.

Now it's gelati. VRC completely to blame.
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He doesn't seem to mind weighting Jap horses.

Loves weighting UK hurdlers and French with nothing when obviously they're better than their weight.

Guy needs to move on into gardening or something.
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