2019 Melbourne Cup

SkyDancer wrote:

I tried to help you.
No need to be so dismissive.

I wasn't being dismissive but up to you if you want to interpret it that way.

It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.

Jamal wrote:

Interesting that Brew won the champion stayer award for the 2000/01 season. A G1, G2 and Listed successes

Must have been a terrible season for stayers.

He was not even the best stayer on Melbourne Cup day.

Race 8 - 3:20PM FOSTER'S MELBOURNE CUP (3200 METRES)
Of $3,000,000. 1st $2,000,000, 2nd $540,000, 3rd $250,000, 4th $125,000, 5th $85,000Group 1 Handicap, Minimum Weight 46kg, Apprentices cannot claim. Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 3 RATime: 3:18.68 Last 600m: 0:35.36 Timing Method: Electronic

Finish	No	Horse	Trainer	Jockey	Margin	Bar.	Weight	Penalty	Starting Price
1	24	BREW	Michael Moroney	Kerrin McEvoy		22	49kg		14-1
2	12	YIPPYIO	Allan Denham	Darren Beadman	2L	17	52kg		10-1
3	7	SECOND COMING	Michael Moroney	Michael Coleman	3.3L	15	52.5kg		20-1
4	9	KAAPSTAD WAY	Chris Wood	Damien Oliver	3.4L	10	52kg		9-2
5	3	ARCTIC OWL	James Fanshawe	David Harrison	4.9L	19	56.5kg		14-1
6	5	FREEMASON	John Hawkes	Mr Larry Cassidy	5.3L	2	53kg		8-1
7	22	CELESTIAL SHOW	Len Morton	Lenny Beasley	5.7L	9	49.5kg		125-1
8	15	PASTA EXPRESS	Paul Cave	John Marshall	9.7L	14	51kg		50-1
9	16	SKYBEAU	Len Smith	Dwayne Dunn	11.5L	4	51kg		160-1
10	17	HILL OF GRACE	Robert Priscott	Glen Boss	12L	7	50.5kg		25-1
11	4	DIATRIBE	George Hanlon	Mr Jim Cassidy	13.3L	13	55kg	2.5	7-1
12	18	CITRA'S PRINCE	Cliff Brown	Craig Williams	13.7L	16	50kg (cd 51kg)		80-1
13	11	THE HIND	Peter Hayes	Stephen Baster	18.5L	11	52kg		40-1
14	23	MAGUIRE	John Collins	Luke Currie	18.8L	1	49.5kg		125-1
15	1	ENZELI	John Oxx	Greg Hall	25.8L	5	57kg		15-1
16	13	BOHEMIATH	Robert Smerdon	Darren Gauci	28.1L	3	51.5kg		10-1
17	6	LIGHTNING ARROW	Saeed Bin Suroor	Frankie Dettori	36.1L	12	53kg		20-1
18	14	OUR UNICORN	Colin Alderson	Mr Matthew Gatt	37.6L	21	51kg		300-1
19	20	MR. NELSON	Russell Cameron	Mr Jason Patton	38.4L	18	50kg		50-1
20	8	COCO COBANNA	Gai Waterhouse	Mr Chris Munce	53.4L	20	52kg	0.1	25-1
21	2	FAR CRY	Martin Pipe	Kevin Darley	55.9L	8	57kg		8-1
22	10	MARIDPOUR	Michael Moroney	Greg Childs	60.9L	6	52kg		500-1
	19	MAJESTIC AVENUE	Tony Noonan	Aaron Spiteri		0		0.1
	21	PRAVDA	Paul O'Sullivan	Lance O'Sullivan		0

reductio ad absurdum

Jamal, why do you always feel the need to quote the last post when you are replying to it? Just creates unnecessary clutter, people will understand thats the post your responding to when your post is the next in line.

Worst post-Vintage Crop Cup field? Probably. Certainly the worst placegetters.

For the 5000th time Stop Quoting and just type your reply.
We don’t want to read the same posts again and again.

reductio ad absurdum

Ridiculous to change it.. they’re lightly raced... like any horse they were carrying light weights due to this.. Australian protectionism strikes again. Instead of incentivising local trainers they Handicap visitors

breeding_above_all wrote:

Ridiculous to change it.. they’re lightly raced... like any horse they were carrying light weights due to this.. Australian protectionism strikes again. Instead of incentivising local trainers they Handicap visitors

Didn't the same happen to Choiser when he went over there as a 3yo, not so sure about Merchant Navy but maybe it did also.

Sorry, I don't quite understand that post b-a-a. Would appreciate if you could please elaborate.

Thanks Morston, but everyone knows that and still don't understand what what was meant above.

The place-getters in the 3yo Merchant Navy's win were 4yo's. Needless to say both were close to 6 months older than the winner, however all three carried 58.5kgs which doesn't make much sense to me.

Everyone keeps saying the fairly obvious, but haven't thus far explained just why there's no allowance for the 6 months younger horse in the Golden Jubilee which is run in June. I certainly wouldn't be in a hurry to run a southern hemisphere 3yo in GB under that current weight condition.

No.

Second Chance wrote:

Thanks Morston, but everyone knows that and still don't understand what what was meant above.

The place-getters in the 3yo Merchant Navy's win were 4yo's. Needless to say both were close to 6 months older than the winner, however all three carried 58.5kgs which doesn't make much sense to me.

You know a 3yo born to SH time and goes to NH to race they are 4yo there , so why can't you understand that he's getting the same as the other 4yos weightwise? same as when Adelaide came here for the Cox Plate as a NH 3yo but had to carry 56kg as against a 3yo weight of 49-5kg, yet the same horse carried 58kg in a Group 2 in France as a 3yo.

Have a look at the WFA scale for 3yo as the distance increases through the months and you will find your answer, they have made a change again but it's very close to NH 4yo time , it makes sense to me but maybe not to some , protectionism= rubbish , we cop it, they cop it, 1 all.

Second Chance wrote:

As a three and a half year old Adelaide still received 1 kg from southern hemisphere 4yo's.

He was Not 3 years and 6 months, he was 3 years and 10 months, NH Jan 1.