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Originally posted by mikey mikey wrote:

2019 Melbourne Cup.

Cross Counter
Rekindling
Latrobe

Could all be there! The race just gets stronger & stronger.

Think we might be seeing the beginnings of a breeding industry for stayers emerging in Australia too. The Fiorente's are getting a mention & Lloyd has kept Rekindling/Johannes Vermeer in Australia who are ready made Stallions. Apparently he is also considering keeping Latrobe in Australia?

I must admit I was annoyed to read he had sold The United States to South Africa, he looked to me to have a lovely presence about himself with good bone and balance, being a son of Galileo this could be the one that got away , but that's for future posts.
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Cross Counter will be running on Dubai World Cup night in the Dubai Gold Cup.
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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Don't like that idea Jamal and it is disappointing after what Appleby said that he wouldn't run. Horses running in humidity of HK and Dubai can struggle to find form later especially if they have a tough run.
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Last I heard he wasn’t going to Dubai.
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How is Cross Counter rated in the Australian Timeform rating as a 3yo?
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Originally posted by Majestic Majestic wrote:

How is Cross Counter rated in the Australian Timeform rating as a 3yo?


He was a 3yo and carried the weight of a 3yo in the Cup.





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After 10 years losing i won the last two.

I'm still behind financially despite the wins on Rekindling and Cross Counter.

Low weight horses are definitely the go whilst VRC let them in.

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The ratings are rubbish.
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Originally posted by ChrisB ChrisB wrote:

After 10 years losing i won the last two.

I'm still behind financially despite the wins on Rekindling and Cross Counter.

Low weight horses are definitely the go whilst VRC let them in.



What's the answer ?

They give fully established good horses less than 58 kgs. Those who have yet to do anything substantial can hardly be crucified.





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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by ChrisB ChrisB wrote:

After 10 years losing i won the last two.

I'm still behind financially despite the wins on Rekindling and Cross Counter.

Low weight horses are definitely the go whilst VRC let them in.



What's the answer ?

They give fully established good horses less than 58 kgs. Those who have yet to do anything substantial can hardly be crucified.



The answer is much better than anything you'll offer.

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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by ChrisB ChrisB wrote:

After 10 years losing i won the last two.

I'm still behind financially despite the wins on Rekindling and Cross Counter.

Low weight horses are definitely the go whilst VRC let them in.



What's the answer ?

They give fully established good horses less than 58 kgs. Those who have yet to do anything substantial can hardly be crucified.



The Internationals are clearly too light.

These are rubbish horses winning our best (which it isn't) as jandicapped very poorly.

The Answer? * the overseas and give them big weights.Most are rubbish anyway, and will stop the lightweights sneaking yhrough
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*handicapped*
*through*
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That seems like histrionics to me. 

How do you give "rubbish horses" more weight ? 




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It would to you.

Why are rubbish horses winning Melb Cups if weighted appropriately?
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The Melb Cup is about all star mile level of credibility.

Complete joke of a race.
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What ?




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Yes Mr (local) X you can go through all grades buts miss out at 56kgs.

Yes Mr (overseas) X win a gelati group 3 with 8 people watching and you're locked in at 52kgs.
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Yep yep, histrionics.




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Reality.
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I see Warwick farm trainer Matthew Smith has the group 3 German St Leger winner Sweet Thomas and a couple of other stakes level stayers.

Trying to get a less expensive type who is just below top level is extremely difficult, but as he said even if the horse does not reach the cup, he can win some of the weak Sydney staying events, which is worth good money.
Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise
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The Internationals are weighted ridiculously low.

It used to be the other way around but VRC have massively overcorrected it.

gelatitest race on the Calender. UK trainers have worked out the strategy, as has sweetheart Lloyd Williams, and now the race sucks.
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*sweetheart* bit different than what i wrote!
Funny though.
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Considering the handicapper himself has a phobia with giving anything anymore than 58 kgs most top horses are getting in light these days.





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Well it's an indictment on what used to be a great race.

Now it's gelati. VRC completely to blame.
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He doesn't seem to mind weighting Jap horses.

Loves weighting UK hurdlers and French with nothing when obviously they're better than their weight.

Guy needs to move on into gardening or something.
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Just an update on the ATB International stables:

Nakeeta has been moved on. Tiberian is in the process of being moved on.

Launching a new horse called Melburnian with the Heartbreak City connections, kicks off in a hurdle at Fairyhouse tonight. Possibility of ending up in Australia one day.
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Well I know one thing tillyras.

If he happens to run a placing in the Melbourne Cup it will be a huge party. Those guys loved running second to Almandin just as much as winning.
Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise
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Wasn’t a bad effort by Melburnian first up in a two mile hurdle since June 2018
She’s still a filly aswell!
Her form card below

http://www.goracing.ie/racing-statistics/horses/data/?hid=192688

Melburnian (FR) ch F 2015 Zambezi Sun (GB) - Moscow Nights (FR)

Trainer: A.J.Martin
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Owner: Back For More ATB Partnership
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MELBURNIAN (FR)Chestnut filly 2015 
Zambezi Sun
Bay 2004
Dansili
Bay or brown 1996
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Hasili
Bay 1991
Kahyasi
Bay 1985
Ile de Bourbon
Kadissya
1975
1979
4-i
5-e
Kerali
Chestnut 1984
High Line
Sookera
1966
1975
5-e
11>
Imbabala
Chestnut 1995
Zafonic
Bay 1990
Gone West
Bay 1984
Mr Prospector
Secrettame
1970
1978
13-c
2-f
Zaizafon
Chestnut 1982
The Minstrel
Mofida
1974
1974
8-f
9-e
Interval
Chestnut 1984
Habitat
Bay 1966
Sir Gaylord
Little Hut
1959
1952
2-s
4-r
Intermission
Chestnut 1973
Stage Door Johnny
Peace
1965
1966
1-l
1-p
Moscow Nights
Chestnut 2004
Peintre Celebre
Chestnut 1994
Nureyev
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Special
Bay 1969
Forli
Thong
1963
1964
3-b
5-h
Peinture Bleue
Chestnut 1987
Alydar
Chestnut 1975
Raise a Native
Sweet Tooth
1961
1965
8-f
9-c
Petroleuse
Bay 1978
Habitat
Plencia
1966
1968
4-r
9>
Memoire
Bay 1998
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Moonlight Dance
Bay 1991
Alysheba
Bay 1984
Alydar
Bel Sheba
1975
1970
9-c
20>
Madelia
Chestnut 1974
Caro
Moonmadness
1967
1963
3-o
1-p
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