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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote scamanda Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 7:17pm
Good to see Osborne Bulls produce a big run , again.
He's so honest.
I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Originally posted by Speediskey Speediskey wrote:

Look at the splits, Redzel ran a faster first 600 and slower last 600 than Pierata's race did.

Thanks Speedy, which suggests he was allowed to walk mid-race, and thus had the race won at the 600m.

Exactly my point.

Where is mid race in a 1200 metre race? The sprint home starts at about the 500.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote the miz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 10:34pm
Great ride by TB on OB. Hopefully dont have to hear about this race for another 9 months. Enjoyed Caulfield more.
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It was bleeding obvious, after the race- only one leader from barrier 1, slow pace- who do you back, dummy? Now why didn't  I work that out before the race?Embarrassed
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Glencoe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2018 at 10:30pm
For how long will the "ego's" involved bleed money before reality hits? Or are many of the slot holders viewing their expenses merely as tax deductions?
Would some forumite be able to estimate slot-holders losses thus far?  It should be very interesting especially if the next two years of potential losses are added
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Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

Originally posted by Sister Dot Sister Dot wrote:

Viddora, Shoals, Le Romain, Graff
And we’re out the door! Not raining, have a blast everyone

Good luck Sister Dot, don't forget back the winners and leave the losers alone.

Got out even! 🤮🙏 Saw some terrific horses and bade farewell to the infamous grey

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Trapeze Artist clearly the best horse imo. Vega magic was last year but redzel made its own luck.
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Originally posted by Glencoe Glencoe wrote:


For how long will the "ego's" involved bleed money before reality hits? Or are many of the slot holders viewing their expenses merely as tax deductions?<div abp="1226">Would some forumite be able to estimate slot-holders losses thus far?  It should be very interesting especially if the next two years of potential losses are added


Worry about that when it happens.
In the meantime, the day was a ripper again as was th race
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Originally posted by Glencoe Glencoe wrote:


For how long will the "ego's" involved bleed money before reality hits? Or are many of the slot holders viewing their expenses merely as tax deductions?<div abp="1226">Would some forumite be able to estimate slot-holders losses thus far?  It should be very interesting especially if the next two years of potential losses are added
   Imagine forking out all that money and end up on a your tour horse simply doesn’t handle. 600 large sunk on a bottomless Randwick. Oh well, there’s always next year!
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Don't think they're really suffering huge losses. The rumoured deals were 300k up front from the horses owners + 50% of prizemoney. 12th place gets 300k, so without taking trainers/jockeys fees even if the horse comes dead last the slot holder loses about 150k if the horse comes last. Obviously if they run top 3 they're making millions. This will only get better when the prizemoney goes to 15 million. Remember they're only providing 600*12= 7.2 million of the prizemoney, when it is 15 million in two years, Racing NSW will be putting up 7.8 of it, but the slot holders will be finding it hard to lose money, even on the losers, at that point in time.
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If the slot holders can’t lose money, they are redundant.
Something that I’m ok with.

I don’t think they add anything if they aren’t looking at a big loss if they pick a tail ender in their slot.
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What a fizzer of a race! Only two horses ran to their peak ability, namely Redzel and Osborne Bulls. Pierata would have won the race.
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I was on Osborne Bulls, and am still a bit bemused by that run/ride .   Do you reckon if he hadnt gone so wide he might have finished closer ??Confused
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I think if he hadn't gone wide he would not have run in the first 4
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My analysis is that unlike last years where Redzel was clearly the dominant sprinter and won accordingly, the track had more to do with his win this year than his form.

The ATC, need to hope that next year is run on a dry track. I can guarantee you no overseas horse will even look at the race without a guarantee of a track which gives them at least an even chance.

The win of Pierata confirmed the low level of th Everest, and that is the second year in a row now, that the consolation winner has perfromed better than any horse in the Everest.

On thier performances Pierata would have slaughtered that field!
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Originally posted by VOYAGER VOYAGER wrote:

My analysis is that unlike last years where Redzel was clearly the dominant sprinter and won accordingly, the track had more to do with his win this year than his form.

The ATC, need to hope that next year is run on a dry track. I can guarantee you no overseas horse will even look at the race without a guarantee of a track which gives them at least an even chance.

The win of Pierata confirmed the low level of th Everest, and that is the second year in a row now, that the consolation winner has perfromed better than any horse in the Everest.

On thier performances Pierata would have slaughtered that field!

What a nonsense statement.

There was rain between the races and a lot of surface level water on the track. You can't compare the times. D'you honestly think Belflyer would have won the Everest?
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Originally posted by horlicks horlicks wrote:

I think if he hadn't gone wide he would not have run in the first 4

Agree. Godolphin worked out the track and took the risk, and it paid off in The Everest. Same tactics applied in the final race for the 2 Godolphin runners and they finished 1st and 2nd.
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I was amazed no one else did it. Especially given most weren’t happy in the ground
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Originally posted by Shrunk in the Wash Shrunk in the Wash wrote:

I was amazed no one else did it. Especially given most weren’t happy in the ground

Maybe given the prizemoney involved nobody else wanted to tbe the one who tried and it didn't come off, you'd be forever caste as the jockey that blew the Everest!! 

Ala Shane Dye on Veandercross, despite the fact that the three or four others that followed his path in the Caulfield Cup that day all finished close behind, and were motoring past the inside runners...
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