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    Posted: 11 Sep 2018 at 2:40pm
Race 8 - Stella Artois Caulfield Cup (2400 METRES)
Of $5,000,000.1st $3,000,000, 2nd $900,000, 3rd $450,000, 4th $225,000, 5th $125,000, 6th $100,000, 7th $100,000, 8th $100,000
Prize money contribution totalling 2% will be directed to jockey and equine welfare prior to distribution GROUP 1
Handicap, Minimum Weight 50kg, Apprentices cannot claim.

Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf 

Field Limit: 18 + 4 EM

 Last 10HorseSexAgeTrainerBallotWeightPenaltyHcp Rating
120x4184x81HUMIDOR (NZ)G6Darren Weir158kg1
21x3195x111BEST SOLUTION (IRE)H5Saeed Bin Suroor257.5kg1.5
35x22x0132xTORCEDOR (IRE)G7Andreas Wohler357kg2
478x512433xCLIFFS OF MOHER (IRE)H5Aidan O'Brien456.5kg2.5
50x312561x1COMIN’ THROUGHG5Chris Waller556.5kg2.5
6845x814533IDAHO (IRE)H6Aidan O'Brien656kg3
7x0x92834x6AMBITIOUS (JPN)H7Anthony Freedman755.5kg3.5
815x211250xCHESTNUT COAT (JPN)H5Yogelatio Yahagi855.5kg3.5
935x135x16xFOLKSWOOD (GB)G6Charlie Appleby955.5kg3.5
107x28167x0xHARLEM (GB)G7David & B Hayes & T Dabernig1055.5kg3.5
1111x68139x4JON SNOW (NZ)H5Murray Baker & Andrew Forsman1155.5kg3.5
122144x1132xSOUND CHECK (GER)H6Michael Moroney1255.5kg3.5
138x72x3x56xTOSEN BASIL (JPN)H7Darren Weir1355.5kg3.5
144491x6731xWHO SHOT THEBARMAN (NZ)G10Chris Waller1455.5kg3.5
151x55462x02ACE HIGHH4David Payne1555kg2.5
164100x21x0xBOOM TIMEH7David & B Hayes & T Dabernig1655kg4
177x623x2x1xEMOTIONLESS (IRE)G6Charlie Appleby1755kg4
18925041x8x7THE TAJ MAHAL (IRE)H5Liam Howley1855kg4
19111x1160x9BONNEVAL (NZ)M5Murray Baker & Andrew Forsman1954.5kg2
20x3x15x5331DURETTO (GB)G7Andrew Balding2054.5kg4.5
2145221x111xMATERIAL MANG7Justin Warwick2154.5kg4.5
226112x332x7POUNAMUG7Alan Mathews2254.5kg4.5
2327x56164x5AUVRAY (FR)G8Richard Freedman2354kg5
245021443x00BIG DUKE (IRE)G7Darren Weir2454kg5
25x26x1353x2COUNT OCTAVE (GB)H5Andrew Balding2554kg5
261x13714x32D’ARGENTOH4Chris Waller2654kg3.5
27313x655x1xFINCHE (GB)H5Chris Waller2754kg5
283x1111x58GRUNT (NZ)H4Mick Price2854kg3.5
2963x27314x0MR MOONLIGHT MAGIC (GB)H6James Cummings2954kg5
30x242630x35PRIZED ICONH5Kris Lees3054kg5
31x11x5x0x08RED CARDINAL (IRE)G7Darren Weir3154kg5
3221x1422225RED VERDON (USA)H6Ed Dunlop3254kg5
330x437829x7VENTURA STORM (IRE)G6David & B Hayes & T Dabernig3354kg5
3498121x05x4VENGEUR MASQUE (IRE)G7Michael Moroney3454kg5
350x0x250272DEAUVILLE (IRE)H6Aidan O'Brien3553.5kg5.5
36741x780x00MIGHTY BOSSH4Mick Price3653.5kg4
373361x8899xSENSE OF OCCASIONG8Kris Lees3753.5kg5.5
381x70x47x25TIBERIAN (FR)H7Alain Couetil3853.5kg5.5
3935x463144xVIN DE DANCE (NZ)G4Murray Baker & Andrew Forsman3953.5kg4
4011x3326x11AVILIUS (GB)G5James Cummings4053kg6
410x400521x5EGG TARTM5Chris Waller4153kg4.5
4212153x16x2HOMESMAN (USA)G5Liam Howley4253kg6
431x11111x43KINGS WILL DREAM (IRE)G5Darren Weir4353kg6
44528x420x83LIBRAN (IRE)G8Chris Waller4453kg6
45x3110328x2OUR VENICE BEACH (IRE)H5Liam Howley4553kg6
465x2188632xPRINCE OF ARRAN (GB)G6Charlie Fellowes4653kg6
4720x22525x0SINGLE GAZEM6Chris Waller4753kg4.5
483314513x01SIR CHARLES ROADG5Lance O'Sullivan & Andrew Scott4853kg6
49732x03705xSOLE IMPACT (JPN)H7Hirofumi Toda4953kg6
501110x41410TEODORO (IRE)G5Tom Dascombe5053kg6
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511116x63211TRAP FOR FOOLSG5Jarrod McLean5153kg6
5225158402x0ZACADA (NZ)G6Murray Baker & Andrew Forsman5253kg6
53x6x10x246xDAL HARRAILD (GB)G6Ciaron Maher & David Eustace5352.5kg6.5
5461431105x0GALLIC CHIEFTAIN (FR)H6Darren Weir5452.5kg6.5
55114x39770xLORD FANDANGO (GER)H6Archie Alexander5552.5kg6.5
5604x13x4244MUSTAJEER (GB)G6Ger Lyons5652.5kg6.5
572x203x60x8ONE FOOT IN HEAVEN (IRE)R7Chris Waller5752.5kg6.5
584x9066x9x3PRIZE MONEY (GB)G6Saeed Bin Suroor5852.5kg6.5
5930x25828x2TOM MELBOURNE (IRE)G8Chris Waller5952.5kg6.5
6011x0121x61UNFORGOTTENM4Chris Waller6052.5kg3.5
61x6248x220xWALL OF FIRE (IRE)H6Ciaron Maher & David Eustace6152.5kg6.5
622x111x28GAME STARTER (IRE)H5Saeed Bin Suroor6252kg7
632x22117LATROBE (IRE)H4Joseph O'Brien6352kg4
64x222415x55OREGON’S DAYM5Mick Price6452kg5.5
65122x9131x4SEDANZERM5Gai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott6552kg5.5
6632x436013xYUCATAN (IRE)H5Aidan O'Brien6652kg7
67343x312x60HIYAAM (NZ)M4Mick Price6751.5kg4.5
68x3620x402xINVICTUS PRINCE (GB)G6Matthew Smith6851.5kg7.5
6920x93116x5LIFE LESS ORDINARY (IRE)G7Chris Waller6951.5kg7.5
701182x51346PACODALI (IRE)G6Darren Weir7051.5kg7.5
71x076x462x4SHILLELAGH (NZ)M7Chris Waller7151.5kg6
724x311113x6YOUNGSTARM4Chris Waller7251.5kg4.5
7321x21x214xADMIRE ROBSON (JPN)H5Darren Weir7351kg8
74361x16246xCASTERTON (IRE)H5Andre Fabre7451kg8
7514x1331x14DIVINE UNICORN (GB)G5Matthew Dunn7551kg8
7654x217549xDOUGLAS MACARTHUR (IRE)G5Liam Howley7651kg8
7767x81611x6HIGHLADG5Murray Baker & Andrew Forsman7751kg8
780x446x5x1xLA BELLA DIOSA (NZ)M5David & B Hayes & T Dabernig7851kg6.5
791x1327287xMONGOLIANCONQUEROR (NZ)G4Stephen Autridge & Jamie Richards7951kg6.5
80412141x213NIGHT’S WATCH (NZ)G5Darren Weir8051kg8
8113173x5x60POETIC DREAM (IRE)H5David & B Hayes & T Dabernig8151kg8
8212x04331x2RISING RED (NZ)G5Trent Busuttin & Natalie Young8251kg8
832x38x947x0SATONO RASEN (JPN)H7Chris Waller8351kg8
84x251711x80SOPRESSAM4Darren Weir8451kg5
85x11432x80xSULLY (NZ)G4Trent Busuttin & Natalie Young8551kg6.5
868x6427x345ODEON (NZ)G5Mathew Ellerton & Simon Zahra8651kg8
87x3203860x7US ARMY RANGER (IRE)G6Liam Howley8751kg8
88x2x115627xORDEROFTHEGARTER (IRE)H5Liam Howley8850.5kg8.5
890x051121x3OUR ABBADEAN (NZ)M6Stephen Autridge & Jamie Richards8950.5kg7
90842512226xREZEALIENTG4David & B Hayes & T Dabernig9050.5kg7
916x0022x4x2ABDON (GB)G6Chris Waller9150kg9
92x843320x68AL HARAM (FR)G6David & B Hayes & T Dabernig9250kg9
931x1120x518ALL TOO SOONM4David Payne9350kg9
946x121413x8ALMOST COURT (NZ)G6Barbara Joseph, Paul & Matt Jones9450kg9
9524x32267x3ALWARD (IRE)G6Chris Waller9550kg9
962131222x4ANOTHER DOLLAR (NZ)M4Chris Waller9650kg7.5
9724112x0873AZURO (FR)G5Darren Weir9750kg9
98x31311440xBEDFORD (NZ)G5Anthony Freedman9850kg9
997x314461x4BELGRAVIA (IRE)H5Liam Howley9950kg9
1001x03438x71BEST OF DAYS (GB)H5James Cummings10050kg9
1011021x22x33BRIMHAM ROCKS (GB)G5Chris Waller10150kg9
10211x631x40xCHELKAR (FR)G6William Mullins10250kg9
103651111x090CORDEROG5Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes10350kg9
1041x7x4x46xDANON ROMAN (JPN)H5Anthony Freedman10450kg9
105x332120x96DOMEDM5John P Thompson10550kg9
1064111251x70ETAH JAMES (NZ)M6Matt Cumani10650kg9
107213x86x2xEXEMPLAR (IRE)H5Liam Howley10750kg9
1086313882218FIRST CRUSHG7Chris Munce10850kg9
10921x020030xGUARDINI (FR)G8Darren Weir10950kg9
110131x590x9xHANS HOLBEIN (GB)G7Liam Howley11050kg9
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111x900x6x60xHAPPY MOMENT (JPN)H9Anthony Freedman11150kg9
112140x621x45HARRISON (GB)G6Liam Howley11250kg9
1130x114209x7HE EKSCELS (NZ)G5Shawn Mathrick11350kg9
11415261x15HELLO IT’S ME (NZ)M4Chris Gibbs11450kg8
115x4230x8314HERE AND NOW (GB)G5Ralph Beckett11550kg9
116119x31x0x1HIGH BRIDGE (GB)G8Chris Waller11650kg9
117213x9HUSH WRITER (JPN)H4Gai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott11750kg9
1185333x1x618JAAMEH (IRE)G6David & B Hayes & T Dabernig11850kg9
1192134x74x97JAKE’S HILL (GB)G5Chris Waller11950kg9
1201x6260x11xKAONIC (NZ)H4Chris Waller12050kg9
1216369x00640KELLSTORM (IRE)H6Darren Weir12150kg9
12264x362x53xKILIMANJARO (IRE)G7Liam Howley12250kg9
1237x750x008xLANGLEY (JPN)H8Darren Weir12350kg9
12414x6110x4xLUVALUVA (NZ)M4John Sargent12450kg7.5
125221x01355xMAHAMEDEISG4Nick Ryan12550kg9
12681172xMASTER OF REALITY (IRE)H4Joseph O'Brien12650kg9
1276321x99574MASTER ZEPHYR (GB)G7Darren Weir12750kg9
12836164x0x02MIDTERM (GB)G6Liam Howley12850kg9
12913323x08MILSEAIN (NZ)M4Kris Lees12950kg9
13016116xMING (IRE)G4Joseph O'Brien13050kg9
131x419337x35MISS ADMIRATIONM4Mick Price13150kg7
1324x57x15x82MR GARCIA (GB)G6Darren Weir13250kg9
133x8914228x6NAVAL WARFARE (IRE)G5Chris Waller13350kg9
1347433923x39NETTOYERM5Wendy Roche13450kg9
1357424x02x67OPPOSITION (GB)G6Chris Waller13550kg9
1365121x86x12ORDER AGAIN (NZ)G5Brian Smith13650kg9
137572333240xORMITO (GER)G6Darren Weir13750kg9
13840x11OUR LIBRETTO (NZ)M5Grahame Begg13850kg9
1393114656x6xPATRICK ERIN (NZ)G7Chris Waller13950kg9
140x93x5880x0PILOTE D’ESSAI (GB)G7David & B Hayes & T Dabernig14050kg9
141511x824116PIONEERTOWN (IRE)G5David & B Hayes & T Dabernig14150kg9
14231211441x7PLEASURINGM4Darren Weir14250kg8
143111x31x31xPLEIN CIEL (GER)G6Darren Weir14350kg9
1441x76x2115xROMAN SONG5Richard Freedman14450kg9
145332230x025ROMANESQUE (IRE)H6Jarrod McLean14550kg9
146720x2220x8SAMOVAREM5David & B Hayes & T Dabernig14650kg9
147611212112xSELF SENSEG8David Brideoake14750kg9
1485x4542223xSHEEZDASHINGM4Mathew Ellerton & Simon Zahra14850kg7
149126531x988SHOREHAMG9Saab Hasan14950kg9
1503x7x521134SIKANDARABAD (IRE)G6David & B Hayes & T Dabernig15050kg9
1514711224x77SILENT WARRIORG5Stuart Gower15150kg9
152x43462L1x3SIN TO WIN (NZ)G6David & B Hayes & T Dabernig15250kg9
15331x691420xSIR JOHN LAVERY (IRE)H5Liam Howley15350kg9
154249x1110x7SPANISH REEFM5Ken Keys15450kg7.5
1553219155x9xSTEPS (IRE)G5Liam Howley15550kg9
1560000x00763TALL SHIP (IRE)G8Darren Weir15650kg9
15720116x00xTAVISTOCK ABBEY (NZ)G4Anthony Freedman15750kg9
1581416400x01THE LORD MAYOR (NZ)G4Chris Waller15850kg9
15974x612825xTOP OF THE RANGE (NZ)G5Michael Moroney15950kg9
160x110x81112VALAC (IRE)G7David & B Hayes & T Dabernig16050kg9
161118x1214x3WAGING WARG5Leon Macdonald & Andrew Gluyas16150kg9
16253x6830x4xWHEAL LEISUREM5Archie Alexander16250kg9
1631x261741x0WILLI WILLIG5Craig Widdison16350kg9
16446x4421x22YOGI (NZ)G6Darren Weir16450kg9
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Off the top of my head Torcedor has only ever won one group 3 race.

What do people make of his weight ?



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Typical. In my opinion UK horses normally get abt 1-1.5kg more than they deserve
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I focus on the lightly raced or improving UK horses as a result
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Avilius now down to $8 in most markets.

Still value in my opinion.

I think Kings will Dream is way under the odds. More dour type.
Avilius can sustain a long sprint.

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I see Tosen Basil has drifted to $51 for  the CC after his poor run in the MD on Sat. Can he improve enough in the next 5 weeks to win? On best form he would be a huge winning chance.
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As far as I know (third hand via a connection) MC still very much on the agenda for TB, wouldn’t say it was a poor run but they did want to see him hit the line a bit better - that said it was fairly fast run and he had the fastest 800-400 split (think it was that).
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Track was too hard for Basil apparently
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He is one of the horses who made me think that the middle of the straight was not the place to be.

Kementari and Kings Will Dream, sprinted quickly and looked as though they would push Grunt, but their run came to and end quickly, and to many horses performed like that for it to be a fitness issue.

I still think you needed to be inside three of the fence and forward to have a winning hope.
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Am warming to Ace High here after today.

No knock on his Flemington hopes either.
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Okay where are we sitting leading into the Turnbull, Bart Cummings.

Here is me. Only from the form I have seen, so not including the overseas runners.

Avilius, Kings Will Dream, Tosen Basil, Ace High, Jon Snow, Youngstar.
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Hi guys:
Quick question if you win the Caulfield cup.is that then like a ballot exempt.race into the Melbourne cup?.
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No.

That is why horses who win the Caulfield cup, need a weight penalty, to move up the order.

Having said that, I can not remember a Caulfield cup winner who has paid up for the cup, that has not made the field.
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I think Voyager you will find the first 4 across the line are exempt from ballot.

Any horse that already has more than 56 kgs will not be penalised.

This is off the top of my head and am happy to be corrected.



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Originally posted by VOYAGER VOYAGER wrote:

No.

That is why horses who win the Caulfield cup, need a weight penalty, to move up the order.

Having said that, I can not remember a Caulfield cup winner who has paid up for the cup, that has not made the field.

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BALLOTING CONDITIONS

(1) The Directors may in their absolute discretion exclude any horse or horses from the race, whether the safety limit of 24 horses at final acceptance time shall be reached or not, and if such exclusion occurs, and more than 24 final acceptors remain, balloting of surplus horses will continue in the normal manner to its conclusion.

The winner of the following, if any should be a nomination and a first, second and final acceptor for the 2018 Lexus Melbourne Cup, shall be exempt from any ballot on this race:

- 2018 VRC Bart Cummings
- 2018 VRC Hotham Handicap
- 2018 MVRC Cox Plate
- 2018 MRC Caulfield Cup

(2) Subject always to the Directors' absolute discretion, as stated, remaining final acceptors in excess of the safety limit of 24 horses shall be eliminated in the following order, until the safety limit is reached:

Horses OTHER THAN those that have registered a “Relevant Race Performance”, as set out below:

Relevant Race Performances

A) since 1 February 2017 inclusive, won or was placed 2nd or 3rd in an internationally recognised Group or Graded flat race run over 2300 metres or further; OR won or was placed 2nd or 3rd in the Queensland Derby, Queensland Oaks or Brisbane Cup OR

B) since 1 February 2017 inclusive, was placed 4th or 5th in an internationally recognised Group 1 or Grade 1 flat race run over 2300 metres or further in which horses older than 3 years old could run, OR

C) since 1 February 2017 inclusive, won an internationally recognised Listed flat race run over 2300 metres or further, OR

D) since 1 February 2017 inclusive, won or was placed 2nd or 3rd in the York Ebor (UK) or Champions & Chater Cup (HK), OR

E) since 1 February 2017 inclusive, won the Northumberland Plate (UK), Cesarewitch (UK), or Queen Mother Memorial Cup (HK), OR

F) was placed 6th, 7th or 8th in the 2018 MRC Caulfield Cup, OR

G) was placed 2nd or 3rd in the 2018 MVRC Cox Plate, OR

H) won the 2018 VRC Seppelt Turnbull Stakes, OR

I) won or was placed 2nd or 3rd in the 2016 Melbourne Cup, OR

J) won the 2016 Caulfield Cup


Should the number of such horses exceed the number of horses required to be eliminated from the
race, then such elimination shall be effected by order of the lowest appended weight figure against
the benchmark weight for individual horses, as the case may be.

Horses in this clause (2) with the same lowest appended weight figure against the benchmark weight for individual horses, as the case may be, shall be eliminated at the discretion of the Directors.

(3) If, after Balloting Clause (2) has been exhausted, excess horses remain, then subject to the
exercise of the Directors’ discretion, elimination of such horses shall be effected by order of the
lowest appended weight figure against the benchmark weight for individual horses, as the case may be.

Horses in this clause (3) with the same lowest appended weight figure against the benchmark weight for individual horses, as the case may be, shall be eliminated in order of lowest aggregate prizemoney received in “Relevant Race Performances” since 1 February 2016 inclusive. Horses equal in both of these respects shall be eliminated at the discretion of the Directors.

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Tenno Sho (3200m) was a ballot race too up to a few years ago
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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What does it mean ? 

Well, if Winx was nominated and paid up she wouldn't get a run unless she won the Turnbull on Saturday or the Cox Plate (the point is moot as she will probably win both.) 

Curiously the directors claim the absolute power to exclude any horse/s but not to include them.  You must qualify by the ballot or you cannot race.  Them the rules.
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Youngstar wins.Clap
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Youngstar impressive but took a while to stoke up. Distance will suit but I think she may be better at Flemington. Also not much between the placegetters there- horses like Ventura Storm and TFF. Warming to Homesman after today.

Might be seeing two rare birds here- a Williams horse they actually want to win a CC with, and with Youngstar an Aussie horse that might be competitive in the big one.
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Youngstar wins.Clap
It was a good run be she got alot of room today and didn't really like being on the inside last start. Might be a factor.
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And of course any Brisbane classic winners have no chance in the cups
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Originally posted by VOYAGER VOYAGER wrote:

And of course any Brisbane classic winners have no chance in the cups




It is rare but:

2001:
Ethereal won the QLD Oaks and went on to do the Cups Doubleater that year.


2009:
Shocking ran 2nd in the QLD Derby (beatem by 0.4 lengths) and went on to win the Cup later that year
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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Winx aside, Youngstar was pulling away from that field on the line. I see nothing behind her beating her in a Caulfield Cup. She will get better as the distances get longer. The 2400m will be more suited in the CC. It will take a special horse to beat her, as it did on the weekend. 
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Originally posted by Heavenly Glow Heavenly Glow wrote:

Winx aside, Youngstar was pulling away from that field on the line. I see nothing behind her beating her in a Caulfield Cup. She will get better as the distances get longer. The 2400m will be more suited in the CC. It will take a special horse to beat her, as it did on the weekend. 

Very interesting.I like kings will dream.What did you make of his run?.
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Very nice mare, but meets KWD 2.5 kgs worse off in the CC and sometimes finds it hard to take up an A1 position.

Toss of the coin job for mine with relative barriers crucial.
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KWD has been short in the market for a very long time but I think he's now at a backable price. No doubt in my mind the rail was not the place to be yesterday.
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Youngstar goes into the Cup at her 4th run, Kings Will Dream goes in at his 5th start for the campaign. I think that gives the edge to the filly.



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