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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

It is a bit of a task winning the Melbourne Cup no matter which way you go.



It's the 12 months chase that is the thrill.    The Kill is over in quick time
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Comfortable with my darts at the moment although we know so much changes so quickly.

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Wall Of Fire $201/$51 - I don't even know why I backed him. Pleased it was only small!

Also have an investment in Bonneval to do the double @ $51.
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Like the Bonny one sunny , bit short though, is it because same same?
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Yep, they give you a haircut for same horse doing the double, as they say the MC odds would be much shorter if she wins the CC and we're taking them for a ride if we get a simple multiplication of both single odds.

In the good old days we'd just get the multiplication. Now they want the opportunity to apply a theoretical market, well in advance of the race, based on a theoretical win of a lead up, well in advance of that race. As if the odds weren't already stacked in their favour by us taking a Cups double!
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It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Yep, they give you a haircut for same horse doing the double, as they say the MC odds would be much shorter if she wins the CC and we're taking them for a ride if we get a simple multiplication of both single odds.

In the good old days we'd just get the multiplication. Now they want the opportunity to apply a theoretical market, well in advance of the race, based on a theoretical win of a lead up, well in advance of that race. As if the odds weren't already stacked in their favour by us taking a Cups double!

If the horse you take in the MC leg runs a fading 13 th in the CC they don't give you better odds for it, in the MC, if your CC leg gets in. Heads they win, tails you lose.
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When is the next Lund of acceptances??
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Answered my own Q... Tomorrow!
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Where can I find the first acceptances??
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Good question! No doubt it's here somewhere but bloody well hidden Angry Ah, click on the meeting at left of the 2nd addy.
1st acceptances aren't out yet.

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1 AMELIE'S STAR (Darren Weir) 6 m 51.0 -7.0 Exempt 7/10/2017 1st G3 2500m Bart Cummings
2 HARTNELL (GB) (James Cummings) 7 g 57.5 -2.0 $450,000 1/11/2016 3rd G1 3200m Emirates Melbourne Cup
3 ALMANDIN (GER) (Robert Hickmott) 8 g 56.5 -3.0 $4,132,000 1/11/2016 1st G1 3200m Emirates Melbourne Cup
4 JON SNOW (NZ) (Baker and Forsman) 4 g 54.5 -3.5 $1,390,865 1/04/2017 1st G1 2400m ATC Derby
5 ADMIRE DEUS (JPN) (Darren Weir) 6 h 56.0 -3.5 $982,681 30/04/2017 4th G1 3200m Tenno Sho JPN
6 HUMIDOR (NZ) (Darren Weir) 5 g 56.0 -3.5 $285,000 25/03/2017 2nd G1 2400m Tancred Stakes
7 BONNEVAL (NZ) (Murray Baker and Andrew Forsman) 4 m 52.5 -4.0 $868,158 8/04/2017 1st G1 2400m ATC Oaks
8 TIBERIAN (FR) (Alain Couetil) 6 h 55.5 -4.0 $386,846 27/08/2017 1st G2 2500m Grand Prix de Deauville FR
9 REKINDLING (GB) (Joseph O'Brien) 4 h 51.5 -4.0 $121,027 2/07/2017 1st G2 2800m Curragh Cup IRE
10 RED CARDINAL (IRE) (Andreas Wohler) 6 g 55.0 -4.5 $422,102 14/05/2017 1st G2 3200m Oleander-Rennen GER
11 MARMELO (FR) (Hughie Morrison) 5 h 55.0 -4.5 $240,041 20/08/2017 1st G2 3000m Prix de Kergolay FR
12 INFERENCE (Team Hawkes) 4 h 53.5 -4.5 $135,000 30/10/2016 3rd G1 2500m VRC Derby
13 SINGLE GAZE (Nick Olive) 5 m 53.0 -5.0 $60,000 10/06/2017 2nd G2 2200m Brisbane Cup
14 JOHANNES VERMEER (IRE) (Aidan O'Brien) 5 h 54.5 -5.0 $17,503 11/08/2017 2nd G3 2400m Ballyroan Stakes IRE
15 WHO SHOT THEBARMAN (NZ) (Chris Waller) 9 g 54.0 -5.5 $1,097,375 26/03/2016 2nd G1 2400m Tancred Stakes
16 MAX DYNAMITE (FR) (Willie Mullins) 8 g 54.0 -5.5 $914,187 26/05/2016 3rd G3 3280m Henry II Stakes UK
17 VENTURA STORM (IRE) (Hayes, Hayes and Dabernig) 5 h 54.0 -5.5 $551,874 16/10/2016 1st G1 2400m Gran Premio del Jockey Club ITY
18 WICKLOW BRAVE (GB) (Willie Mullins) 9 g 54.0 -5.5 $497,788 11/09/2016 1st G1 2800m Irish St Leger IRE
19 FRANCIS OF ASSISI (IRE) (Charlie Appleby) 8 g 54.0 -5.5 $365,000 5/11/2016 1st G3 2600m Queen Elizabeth Stakes
20 SIR ISAAC NEWTON (GB) (Robert Hickmott) 6 g 54.0 -5.5 $132,097 23/07/2016 4th G1 2400m King George & Queen Elizabeth UK
21 BONDI BEACH (IRE) (Robert Hickmott) 6 h 54.0 -5.5 $120,722 15/05/2016 1st G3 2800m Vintage Crop Stakes IRE
22 US ARMY RANGER (IRE) (Joseph O'Brien) 5 h 53.5 -6.0 $816,116 4/06/2016 2nd G1 2400m Epsom Derby UK
23 BIG DUKE (IRE) (Darren Weir) 6 g 53.5 -6.0 $757,250 1/04/2017 1st G2 2600m Chairman's Hcp
24 GALLANTE (IRE) (Robert Hickmott) 7 g 53.0 -6.5 $1,354,500 9/04/2016 1st G1 3200m Sydney Cup
25 LIBRAN (IRE) (Chris Waller) 7 g 53.0 -6.5 $648,000 9/04/2016 2nd G1 3200m Sydney Cup
26 QEWY (IRE) (Charlie Appleby) 8 g 53.0 -6.5 $535,500 19/10/2016 1st G3 2400m Geelong Cup
27 NAKEETA (GB) (Iain Jardine) 7 g 53.0 -6.5 $304,363 26/08/2017 1st Ebor Hcp Ebor Handicap UK
28 CHOCANTE (NZ) (Stephen Marsh) 5 g 53.0 -6.5 $270,100 10/06/2017 1st G2 2200m Brisbane Cup
29 ASSIGN (IRE) (Robert Hickmott) 7 g 53.0 -6.5 $241,000 18/10/2016 1st G2 2400m Herbert Power Handicap
30 LIZZIE L'AMOUR (Baker and Forsman) 5 m 51.5 -6.5 $58,636 10/12/2016 1st G3 2400m Waikato Cup NZ
31 WALL OF FIRE (IRE) (Hugo Palmer) 5 g 53.0 -6.5 $22,131 19/08/2017 2nd G3 2650m Geoffrey Freer Stakes UK
32 ANNUS MIRABILIS (IRE) (Stuart Webb) 7 g 52.5 -7.0 $437,200 13/03/2017 1st G2 3200m Adelaide Cup
33 THOMAS HOBSON (GB) (Willie Mullins) 8 g 52.0 -7.5 $36,885 15/092017 2nd G2 3600m Doncaster Cup UK
34 ALOFT (IRE) (Robert Hickmott) 6 g 51.5 -8.0 $57,000 1/04/2017 2nd G2 2600m Chairman's Hcp
35 HARLEM (GB) (Hayes, Hayes and Dabernig) 6 h 51.5 (inc 0.5kg pen) -8.0 $44,314 5/06/2016 3rd G2 2400m Prix de Chantilly FR
36 FOUNDRY (IRE) (Robert Hickmott) 8 g 51.0 (inc 1.0kg pen) -8.5 $435,500 30/09/2017 1st G1 2400m Metropolitan Handicap
37 BERISHA (Robert Smerdon) 6 g 50.5 -9.0 $180,000 2/04/2016 1st LR 2400m Mornington Cup
HARLOW GOLD (NZ) (Hayes, Hayes and Dabernig) 4 m 50.0 -9.0 $180,000 3/11/2016 2nd G1 2500m VRC Oaks
39 PENTATHLON (NZ) (John Wheeler) 6 g 50.5 -9.0 $45,294 22/10/2016 3rd G2 2500m Moonee Valley Cup
40 FANATIC (NZ) (Hayes, Hayes and Dabernig) 5 m 50.0 -9.5 $164,181 19/03/2016 1st G1 2400m New Zealand Oaks NZ
41 COOL CHAP (Lee & Anthony Freedman) 5 g 50.0 -9.5 $161,200 14/05/2016 3rd G1 2500m South Australian Derby
42 BROADSIDE (NZ) (Gai Waterhouse and Adrian Bott) 6 g 50.0 -9.5 $134,875 15/09/2017 1st G3 2300m Newcastle Cup
43 AUVRAY (FR) (Richard Freedman) 7 g 50.0 -9.5 $117,950 23/09/2017 1st G3 2400m Colin Stephen Quality
44 GALLIC CHIEFTAIN (FR) (Darren Weir) 5 h 50.0 -9.5 $71,625 1/07/2017 1st LR 2400m ATC Winter Cup
45 VENGEUR MASQUE (IRE) (Michael Moroney) 6 g 50.0 -9.5 $54,000 5/11/2016 2nd G3 2400m Queen Elizabeth Stakes
46 KELLSTORM (IRE) (Darren Weir) 5 h 50.0 -9.5 $27,000 7/10/2017 3rd G3 2500m Bart Cummings
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Does anyone know if US Army Ranger is coming out? Is he already here?
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Originally posted by TOLEDO TOLEDO wrote:

Does anyone know if US Army Ranger is coming out? Is he already here?

Unfortunately he is coming out here for the Cup, arrives this weekend.

Apparently Lloyd has purchased him, despite dreadful form in recent times.
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Originally posted by TOLEDO TOLEDO wrote:

Does anyone know if US Army Ranger is coming out? Is he already here?
Arrives in 2nd shipment.


Went early on Admire Deus and a few others. Have now backed Francis of Assisi $26 e/w and Max Dynamite $51 e/w as they have run well at Flemington.
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VPI - thoughts on Francis' poor run last start and its relevance to how he's likely to go in the Cup?
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Francis Of Assisi was winning hurdles 2 years ago.
He is following similar prep to last year.   beaten 6L before arriving here , had a break .
Won Bendigo 3L and blitzed them at Flem. 2600m 10L in very smart time.
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Been set for Melbourne. Wasn't wound up last start as didn't want any rating increase.

Definite place chance I think.
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Is Who Shot Thebarman a likely starter? He's finished top 5 in the Melbourne Cup twice and should've been 3 times if he wasn't poleaxed in 2015.

Not expecting him to win but I'd like to have a decent wager on the place at big odds.
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Gallic Chieftain is a good long odds roughie to take a punt on at the moment imo.

If he runs ok in Herbert Power, will be shorter than the 150's about now.

Don't think he could win it, but might be worth an ew spec
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Originally posted by Tassam Tassam wrote:

Gallic Chieftain is a good long odds roughie to take a punt on at the moment imo.

If he runs ok in Herbert Power, will be shorter than the 150's about now.

Don't think he could win it, but might be worth an ew spec
Don't think get a big enough penalty to get in.
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It won't hinge on Sat's race. There are other races like Lexus to get in. But if he performs well this weekend or wins, his odds will shorten
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Yes would need to win the Lexus. You'd probably end up with better odds by backing him in that then all up if he wins. At least you'd get a run for your money.
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Took the 50/1 e/w Thomas Hobson last week, now that Now that Moreira has been named as the rider in the Melbourne Cup, I now expect the odds to shorten.Some corporates have it $16, whilst $31 was available with another.
Its UK form at Royal Ascot was impressive and Willie Mullins is its trainer.  emthup   emthup http://www.races.com.au/2017/06/21/thomas-hobson-eyes-melbourne-cup-2017-bid/
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Originally posted by diggo diggo wrote:

Is Who Shot Thebarman a likely starter? He's finished top 5 in the Melbourne Cup twice and should've been 3 times if he wasn't poleaxed in 2015.

Not expecting him to win but I'd like to have a decent wager on the place at big odds.


Forget him , I suffer the same handicap.
9 year old gelding who's tried it a few times .     We don't win Melbourne Cups.
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Strange for Jo Moeriera to commit to THOMAS HOBSON.

I would have thought he’d struggle to make the final 24 horse field. Currently 33rd in order of entry with potentially a few to jump ahead of him via lead up races - Geelong Cup, Hotham Hcp, etc winners.

Zero winning chance anyway, he doesn’t get warmed up until 3600m
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Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Strange for Jo Moeriera to commit to THOMAS HOBSON.

I would have thought he’d struggle to make the final 24 horse field. Currently 33rd in order of entry with potentially a few to jump ahead of him via lead up races - Geelong Cup, Hotham Hcp, etc winners.

Zero winning chance anyway, he doesn’t get warmed up until 3600m

Do not know about "not getting warmed" up until 3600m, sat three wide then hit front at 2400m last start in 3100m Lonsdale Cup.

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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Strange for Jo Moeriera to commit to THOMAS HOBSON.

I would have thought he’d struggle to make the final 24 horse field. Currently 33rd in order of entry with potentially a few to jump ahead of him via lead up races - Geelong Cup, Hotham Hcp, etc winners.

Zero winning chance anyway, he doesn’t get warmed up until 3600m

Do not know about "not getting warmed" up until 3600m, sat three wide then hit front at 3000m last start in 3400 Lonsdale Cup.

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cannot go past INFERENCE backed him e/w at 41's then see there has been money for him in the Caulfield Stakes so backed him in that (26 into 19) kept going and took a Caulfield stakes double into the Melbourne Cup but of course same horse so you get 1/2.

*Will have savers on GALLANTE 300's (Only because he should make the field & if its Heavy won 2/2)
*A just in case on HARLOW GOLD  300's a who knows but if he can get to the lexus thats the right distance for him, the longer the better.

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Originally posted by rugby0 rugby0 wrote:

Not enthused by almandin in Bart Cummings. Going to throw my $ at Red Cardinal. Looks the goods and hipe it gets a good lift in the Herbert Power. In the footsteps of Protectionist this fella.


Like Red Cardinal despote him missing a buildup in Aus.Marmelo's CC run is encouraging for Red Cardinal. RC had some form of horse hives??? in Prix de Kergorlay. And clearly has the class to sit alongside racewinner Marmelo. I like both for MC now, but will load up on Red Cardinal.
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